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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby Piratis » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:41 pm

You didn't answer the question: Why aren't you bothered by the 10s of millions of your own compatriots calling themselves English, and yet you are so bothered with Cypriots being Greek? I would really like a direct answer to this question and an explanation of your double standards. (if you do go to British forums and attack anybody who claims to be English in the same way that you attack us, then give us some links)

Regarding your last post, there is no proof of any "Mycenean invasion" and you are just making assumptions and theories. What you are missing is that the Myceneans settled in Cyprus 3500 years ago, a time when the world population was 150 times less than it is today. The population of Cyprus at that time would not have been more than about 6000 odd people, a few separate small villages, with most of the island still uninhabited. The Phoenicians also came after the Myceneans in the same way. Never heard of you call the Phoenicians "invaders". Similarly, those that came to Cyprus before the Myceneans also came from somewhere else in different waves. Were they also "invaders"?

The debate is not about genes at all. It is about ethnicity which has nothing to do with genes or anything else you talk about. Again: Using your own "arguments" we could conclude that there are no English people, and those calling themselves English are deluded. So why do you came here to tell us what our ethnicity should be, and you don't go to an English forum to tell to your own compatriots that they are not English, tell them about their genes, about Londinium and all the other irrelevant things that you think determine ethnicity?
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:43 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote: ... the Mycenaean alleged peaceful settlement was every bit as bad what the Tur* s are doing in the North ...


Really?

I find your ignorant assumptions rather disgusting.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby Sotos » Tue Apr 03, 2012 7:11 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote: ... the Mycenaean alleged peaceful settlement was every bit as bad what the Tur* s are doing in the North ...


Really?

I find your ignorant assumptions rather disgusting.


He is comparing the settlement of Cyprus 3000 years when Cyprus was almost uninhabited with the invasion and ethnic cleansing by the Turks 38 years ago!!!!! Maybe Hitler should have said the same in WWII ... "Hey... the Anglo-Saxons invaded Britain and you seem to be cool about it. Whats so bad if I do the same now?" :roll:
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:26 pm

Sotos you do realise you have just sought to justify an imperialist act of aggression by a then foreign power (the Mycenaeas) against the Natives of the Island - it was not an empty land - the ancient invasion displaced native government, language, culture, etc, and no doubt that was just as offensive to the then Cypriots as the acts of the Turks today. And I find that and you offensive, as a result.

And no the Britons did not take the Anglo Saxon invasion lying down, but they got beat in the end.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:00 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Sotos wrote:More:

The earliest known dialect is Mycenaean Greek, the language reconstructed from the Linear B tablets produced by the Mycenaean civilization of the Late Bronze Age in the late 2nd millennium BC. The classical distribution of dialects was brought about by the migrations of the early Iron Age[2] after the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization. Some speakers of Mycenaean were displaced to Cyprus while others remained inland in Arcadia, giving rise to the Arcadocypriot dialect. This is the only dialect with a known Bronze-age precedent. The other dialects must have preceded their attested forms but the relationship of the precedents to Mycenaean remains to be discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_dialects

WE are the ORIGINAL Greeks. Cyprus and Arcadia. The other Greeks are also Greeks of course... but they do not decent directly from the original Mycenaeans.

We are the Greek Standard...ISO/GR 10001-1:2012 :D


Whats GR got to do with the Greek standard. :?
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby yialousa1971 » Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:12 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:No Cyprus has not been Greek since the dawn of History - Cyprus had a history for 4000/5000 years before the Mycenaeans invaded in about 1100BC aosed.nd had Hellenism imposed.

The rest is ancient Greek Propoganda!


The Mycenaeans never invaded Cyprus, they settled in Cyprus along with the existing Cypriot Minoans. Unlike your Germanic ancestors who invaded Britain pushing the Celts to the fringes and France (Brittany). :wink:
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby kurupetos » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:53 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
Sotos wrote:More:

The earliest known dialect is Mycenaean Greek, the language reconstructed from the Linear B tablets produced by the Mycenaean civilization of the Late Bronze Age in the late 2nd millennium BC. The classical distribution of dialects was brought about by the migrations of the early Iron Age[2] after the collapse of the Mycenaean civilization. Some speakers of Mycenaean were displaced to Cyprus while others remained inland in Arcadia, giving rise to the Arcadocypriot dialect. This is the only dialect with a known Bronze-age precedent. The other dialects must have preceded their attested forms but the relationship of the precedents to Mycenaean remains to be discovered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_dialects

WE are the ORIGINAL Greeks. Cyprus and Arcadia. The other Greeks are also Greeks of course... but they do not decent directly from the original Mycenaeans.

We are the Greek Standard...ISO/GR 10001-1:2012 :D


Whats GR got to do with the Greek standard. :?

GR=Greek :wink: BTW, GR! realised he's not Choirokitian and lost his marbles. :lol:
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:39 am

yialousa1971 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No Cyprus has not been Greek since the dawn of History - Cyprus had a history for 4000/5000 years before the Mycenaeans invaded in about 1100BC aosed.nd had Hellenism imposed.

The rest is ancient Greek Propoganda!


The Mycenaeans never invaded Cyprus, they settled in Cyprus along with the existing Cypriot Minoans. Unlike your Germanic ancestors who invaded Britain pushing the Celts to the fringes and France (Brittany). :wink:


The usual tired old incorrect assertions invented in the 19th Century:
The "Celts" - a much abused term - were moving to Brittany in the 4th Century before any allged Saxon Invasion - there were probably Germanic speaking peoples in Eastern Britain - The Belgea and their relatives, from before the Romans -the estimates of the number of Saxons who came over now ranges from 5000 to 50,000 - out of a pupulace of 3 million - looking at Graves from the period it is now certain that the Saxons lived side by side with the British - the Germanic speakers (who were probably present in Pre Roman times) did however become the ruling class in the South eastern corner of the Island after the Romans left.

BTW the lowland Scots do not speak English - their language evidenced by the work of Robby Burns was a seperate but related language known as Scottish or Lallands - it was not Gealic.
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:41 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:
yialousa1971 wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:No Cyprus has not been Greek since the dawn of History - Cyprus had a history for 4000/5000 years before the Mycenaeans invaded in about 1100BC aosed.nd had Hellenism imposed.

The rest is ancient Greek Propoganda!


The Mycenaeans never invaded Cyprus, they settled in Cyprus along with the existing Cypriot Minoans. Unlike your Germanic ancestors who invaded Britain pushing the Celts to the fringes and France (Brittany). :wink:


The usual tired old incorrect assertions invented in the 19th Century:
The "Celts" - a much abused term - were moving to Brittany in the 4th Century before any allged Saxon Invasion - there were probably Germanic speaking peoples in Eastern Britain - The Belgea and their relatives, from before the Romans -the estimates of the number of Saxons who came over now ranges from 5000 to 50,000 - out of a pupulace of 3 million - looking at Graves from the period it is now certain that the Saxons lived side by side with the British - the Germanic speakers (who were probably present in Pre Roman times) did however become the ruling class in the South eastern corner of the Island after the Romans left.

BTW the lowland Scots do not speak English - their language evidenced by the work of Robby Burns was a seperate but related language known as Scottish or Lallands - it was not Gealic.


More for you to read. http://www.romanarmy.net/invasion.htm
http://www.cornwallinfocus.co.uk/culture/celts5.php
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Re: What does 'Enosis' mean to you, today?

Postby loyalcypriot10 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:22 am

Enosis is in today,s climate only fit for the historical dustbin.
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