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[newgeneration]

See the report by Scott Gibbons entitled 'Massacre'

http://www.ukpressonline.co.uk/ukpresso ... %20cypriot

[newgeneration]

Those that have questioned the existence of Harry Scott Gibbons, author of The Genocide Files, for the record there are several of his reports in The Daily Express archives. He was the middle east correspondent.

[bill cobbett]

I have tried, but the archive websites are only accessible once you have paid for a subscription so links cannot be posted.

Reh newgen ... have another look at the quotes you have posted. Isn't it pretty clear they are quotes from protagonists, from one side of the dispute, which are being passed off as definitive, first-hand reporting???

Anyway, have a subscription to almost all GB Newpaper Archives, regretfully limited to past twenty years or so... but do have access to The Times for the period in question.

This is a screen-grab of what The Times Correspondent had to say on the matter on the 26.12.1963. Believe this statement by Kuchuk is the original source of what has been promoted ever since by Turkey and the supporters of the Illegal Regime. It bears the headline...

"Atrocities" Charge by Dr Kutchuk ... (sic ... in other words the quote marks are not mine.)

Times 26.12.63.jpg

The words KUCHUK, "CHARGES" and ACCUSATIONS should get a lot of alarm-bells ringing.

[repulsewarrior]

One needs to take a critical look and of course be totally unbiased in order to begin to understand what was happening in Cyprus. EOKA started an armed struggle to get Cyprus unified to Greece. The TC nationalists reacted and asked for taksim. When Makarios half-heartedly signed for independence he was doing so because he intended to carry on the struggle for enosis. We need to be totally honest if we are interested to come to the truth. Since 1955 an undeclared war was taking place as the two communities tussled for strategic advantage. A few of us, the romantic ones, wanted the GC's and TC's to be brothers-in-arms in a free and really independent Cyprus. TMT took care of those TC's who had such noble aspirations and EOKA went on a killing spree of innocent GC's and in fact killed far more GC's than British soldiers. This is the truth as I lived it.

...please Mr B. tell us more, don't stop there, that is the beginning, explain how two murder attempts were "Greek", explain his speach to the UN after the coup, or the actions of his followers, most Greek Cypriots, without their support, how long could it last? like the Turkish Cypriots, we are dismissed in a wider Proxy War. just as you say, there are three sides to this debate; i do not blame Makarios because he had to evolve to realise this fact. in my mind he always hed the interests of Cyprus first, and as such, this was his undoing.

[CBBB]

Have done so numerous times already - http://www.parliament.uk. Google them.

I am looking at Daily Express archives now from 1963 and 1964. The article I refer to was written by Macoll and McGeachie. There are numerous others ...

There is nothing stopping you from registering on The Daily Express site and seeing at least the preview of the article for which you don't have to pay. You do have to be a registered user however.

Just a link to a site is useless without the full page address.

[Lordo]

As if you can actually read.

[newgeneration]

CBBB the full link has been posted twice previously. Google parliament.uk and the title of each press clipping in turn. You will then be able to read them on the House of Commons website.

If you actually want to do so which you clearly don't as you keep finding futile excuses not to.

[newgeneration]

Bill.

The Daily Express online archive does go back to the 60's.

In regards to your attempt to discredit the article I published, I'd like to point out that the Daily Express article was an eye witness account, as seen and described in their own words, by 2 Daily Express journalists.

That Kucuk talks of the same incident is not irregular. If it had occurred, and it is clear that it did occur, then the same event would have been reported across several different publications.

[bill cobbett]

Bill.

The Daily Express online archive does go back to the 60's.

In regards to your attempt to discredit the article I published, I'd like to point out that the Daily Express article was an eye witness account, as seen and described in their own words, by 2 Daily Express journalists.

That Kucuk talks of the same incident is not irregular. If it had occurred, and it is clear that it did occur, then the same event would have been reported across several different publications.

You haven't posted an article.

What you have posted is a copy and paste of something that appears on several Partitionist Sites like ATCA who have taken bits of articles, the statements by Kucuk and other Illegal Regime sympathisers and cunningly mis-using the credibility of the newspapers cited, present the allegations as facts.

You have also posted a general link to the GB HoC, an authority which you are using to add credibility to your post but which leads to a single speech by a single GB MP where the alleged extracts from articles is repeated.

You have also posted one or two links to subscription sites which are not freely accessible.

The only thing that is clear in this thread, in the light of the Times extract that is posted, is that Kucuk made the allegations but there is no evidence posted to back up the allegations.

At the very least don't you think there should be things like photographic evidence, reports from authoritative sources like the UN, the Red Cross etc ...???? Doesn't the lack of this sort of standard of evidence make you suspicious... ????

[newgeneration]

Bill.

As I've said before, there is nothing stopping you from registering on The Daily Express site and seeing at least the preview of the article for which you don't have to pay. You do have to be a registered user however.

As stated before, the Daily Express article was an eye witness account, as seen and described in their own words, by 2 Daily Express journalists.

The newspaper articles exist and are there for all to see in their respective archives. Short of buying you a subscrition what do you want me to do?

There is photographic evidence all over Antonis Angastiniotis' documentaries. The UN uncovered TC mass graves in the presence of the Red Cross ...