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[MR-from-NG]

Enough time wasted on you already you attention seeking piece of shit.

perhaps if my arguments weren't irrefutable u wouldn't run away with ur tail between ur knees and ur dignity between ur ankles.

No, honest, I just cant be bothered with self indulgent attention seeking little pricks like you.

[ZoC]

Enough time wasted on you already you attention seeking piece of shit.

perhaps if my arguments weren't irrefutable u wouldn't run away with ur tail between ur knees and ur dignity between ur ankles.

No, honest, I just cant be bothered with self indulgent attention seeking little pricks like you.

fuck off then, turd.

[supporttheunderdog]

ZoC, his problem is that I started from the beginning, when the Turks first started their atrocities against Cyprus.

If I left the past behind, and talked just about the current situation, where 1/3rd of Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkish troops, with 100s of thousands of innocent people kept out of their homes and properties by force, then "MR-from-NG" would still have a problem.

The only way that "MR-from-NG" would be satisfied is the usual Turkish propaganda way:
(1) Erase the whole history of Cyprus until 1963 and forget about the 10s of thousands of people the Turks have butchered and the suffering they caused to Cyprus
(2) Take one decade between 1963-1974 and distort it to the max to present TCs as the innocent victims - never forget a single line of this one sided version of manufactured history
(3) Use the distorted version of history for that one decade to excuse many more decades (and if they can, centuries) of suffering to the Cypriot people.

In other words they can not stand the whole truth, because the whole truth shows that it is the Turks who started the problem in Cyprus, it is them who have caused to us far more casualties and far more suffering for far longer periods of time, and it is them who are trying to excuse yet more crimes and illegalities against the Cypriot people.

I think Halil's point has just been very clearly illustrated by the way this thread went with the usual lets play the blame game going back to 1570. Patheticic .

So should I hate Italians because of what the Romans did to my country in 43 AD? There is no point. Learn to live with it

Yes wht happened in 1570 was terrible but it is in the past and it cannot be undone. If we want a free and united Cyprus than the TSC and GSC have got to learn to live together . What both GSC and TSC need to do is to have some introspection and try to objectively look at the deeds of their own side to the dispute from the other's point of view, and for the TSC to acknowledge eg the mistakes connected with Takism, te deeds of the TMT and Grey Wolves, some of which were evil and bloody, while from the other side the GSC must consider what flowed from the demands for Enosis and the evils done by eg EOKA and EOKA B some of which which were likewise evil and bloody.

Then one has to look at what one can offer to adress the legitimate concernes of the other side - not make demands. The risk otherwise is of perpetuating the mistakes of the past, with thrown away opportunties and evil deeds by both TSC and GSC, and with it the partition.

The your side was more evil than my side game simply doen't work.

And now we are into the typical abuse stage- even more pathetic.

[B25]

ZoC, his problem is that I started from the beginning, when the Turks first started their atrocities against Cyprus.

If I left the past behind, and talked just about the current situation, where 1/3rd of Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkish troops, with 100s of thousands of innocent people kept out of their homes and properties by force, then "MR-from-NG" would still have a problem.

The only way that "MR-from-NG" would be satisfied is the usual Turkish propaganda way:
(1) Erase the whole history of Cyprus until 1963 and forget about the 10s of thousands of people the Turks have butchered and the suffering they caused to Cyprus
(2) Take one decade between 1963-1974 and distort it to the max to present TCs as the innocent victims - never forget a single line of this one sided version of manufactured history
(3) Use the distorted version of history for that one decade to excuse many more decades (and if they can, centuries) of suffering to the Cypriot people.

In other words they can not stand the whole truth, because the whole truth shows that it is the Turks who started the problem in Cyprus, it is them who have caused to us far more casualties and far more suffering for far longer periods of time, and it is them who are trying to excuse yet more crimes and illegalities against the Cypriot people.

So should I hate Italians because of what the Romans did to my country in 43 AD? There is no point. Learn to live with it

Mate, you are mixing apples with oranges here. If the Romans were still there today and held you hostage, you would be hating them. If the turks had left then we would have no need to hate them. You comparison is flawed.

In short, in other countires that were invaded, the invader left, in Cyprus the MF are still here, geddit!!!!

[Jerry]

ZoC, his problem is that I started from the beginning, when the Turks first started their atrocities against Cyprus.

If I left the past behind, and talked just about the current situation, where 1/3rd of Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkish troops, with 100s of thousands of innocent people kept out of their homes and properties by force, then "MR-from-NG" would still have a problem.

The only way that "MR-from-NG" would be satisfied is the usual Turkish propaganda way:
(1) Erase the whole history of Cyprus until 1963 and forget about the 10s of thousands of people the Turks have butchered and the suffering they caused to Cyprus
(2) Take one decade between 1963-1974 and distort it to the max to present TCs as the innocent victims - never forget a single line of this one sided version of manufactured history
(3) Use the distorted version of history for that one decade to excuse many more decades (and if they can, centuries) of suffering to the Cypriot people.

In other words they can not stand the whole truth, because the whole truth shows that it is the Turks who started the problem in Cyprus, it is them who have caused to us far more casualties and far more suffering for far longer periods of time, and it is them who are trying to excuse yet more crimes and illegalities against the Cypriot people.

So should I hate Italians because of what the Romans did to my country in 43 AD? There is no point. Learn to live with it

Mate, you are mixing apples with oranges here. If the Romans were still there today and held you hostage, you would be hating them. If the turks had left then we would have no need to hate them. You comparison is flawed.

In short, in other countires that were invaded, the invader left, in Cyprus the MF are still here, geddit!!!!

I have to agree with B25 on this one STUD. In the 1950s the mainland leadership made claims for the return of Cyprus if and when the British left because Turkey "was the previous owner". They ignored the fact that 80% of the population wanted to determine their own future.

[ZoC]

So should I hate Italians because of what the Romans did to my country in 43 AD? There is no point. Learn to live with it

Yes wht happened in 1570 was terrible but it is in the past and it cannot be undone.

jesus h. christ, stud! the crimes of 1570 were repeated in 1974 and continue to this very day. please. no more logic chopping.

If we want a free and united Cyprus than the TSC and GSC have got to learn to live together . What both GSC and TSC need to do is to have some introspection and try to objectively look at the deeds of their own side to the dispute from the other's point of view, and for the TSC to acknowledge eg the mistakes connected with Takism, te deeds of the TMT and Grey Wolves, some of which were evil and bloody, while from the other side the GSC must consider what flowed from the demands for Enosis and the evils done by eg EOKA and EOKA B some of which which were likewise evil and bloody.

Then one has to look at what one can offer to adress the legitimate concernes of the other side - not make demands. The risk otherwise is of perpetuating the mistakes of the past, with thrown away opportunties and evil deeds by both TSC and GSC, and with it the partition.

The your side was more evil than my side game simply doen't work.

And now we are into the typical abuse stage- even more pathetic.

if u bothered to read the substantive points that were made to that slimy mr frog - by me and others - u'd see he couldn't answer them; which is why he became abusive; which i agree woz pathetic; and he was given short shrift!

now stop playing the role of some kind of high and mighty, impartial judge and realise that war crime were and continue to be committed in cyprus by turkey - and most of the people on this forum who self-style themselves 'turkish cypriots', are apologists for these crimes. and deserve all the abuse they get.

[Piratis]

1570 - 1878: The Turks invade Cyprus in 1570

I stopped reading after that. I'm convinced this man is sick in the head

i must be missing something here... why the f*ck does this statement make piratis sick in the head?

r u splitting hairs 'cos they were 'ottomans' & not 'turks'?

please put me straight 'cos otherwise i'm gonna conclude u're just another labotomised latriner.

Zoc, we are discussing the Cyprus problem, not its history. The time Pissartist is referring to is irrelevant to the position we find ourselves in today. This is similar to the black woman recorded on a bus telling all white people that she hated them and that she wouldn't even be here (England) had her ancestors not been brought to the country as slaves. In her little mind the abuse directed at all the white people on the bus would be justified by this fact.

The troubles in my country started back in 1963 with your desire to exterminate the TC population and to gift my country to Greece. Its as simple as that. Who gives a shit what happened in 1571?

What did i tell you:

The only way that "MR-from-NG" would be satisfied is the usual Turkish propaganda way:
(1) Erase the whole history of Cyprus until 1963 and forget about the 10s of thousands of people the Turks have butchered and the suffering they caused to Cyprus
(2) Take one decade between 1963-1974 and distort it to the max to present TCs as the innocent victims - never forget a single line of this one sided version of manufactured history
(3) Use the distorted version of history for that one decade to excuse many more decades (and if they can, centuries) of suffering to the Cypriot people.

1570 was just the beginning of the crimes of the Turks against Cyprus. The problem is that their crimes continue non-stop until today. In Cyprus we had several foreign occupiers, from Persians to Latins. But today those other former occupiers respect the Cypriot people and are not trying to impose their rule on us, so any problems we had with them are part of the past and we are in very good terms with them now.

As I predicted "MR-from-NG" wants to start history in 1963 (forgetting even 1958, when the TCs started the conflict by killing innocent GCs) and he wants to use a distored version of that one decade to excuse yet more crimes against Cyprus.

The fact is that the Cypriot people never asked for anything more than to freely and demoratically decide the destiny of their own island. If the vast majority of the population want to unite Cyprus with Greece or EU or with any other entity, that is our right. The conflicts and wars were all started by the Turks with the aim to use force to stop the Cypriot people from freely and democratically taking decisions for their own island.

Had the Turks respected the self-determination rights of the Cypriot people there would be no conflicts and no casualties for any side.

[Piratis]

I thought that I'd just check up on Cyprus Forum after a couple of years (?) absence and what do I find first topic, first click, first page, but that old lag Piratis saying exactly, I mean EXACTLY what he's repeated over and over again for years ... the Turks invaded in 1570 then, then, then and all the same. The reason that the Cyprus 'problem' will never be resolved is because of the political autism of people like Piratis. Very depressing. The world out there is changing but you'd never know from Piratis' comments, it's a permanent 1570. Groundhog day.

I bet if I were to drop into the Forum in 2, 5, or 10 years time, I'd see exactly the same.

Historical facts don't change. So when we talk about the history and the roots of the Cyprus problem it will be always the same. Did you really expect me to change what I say about history? That is what the Turks are doing every time they are caught lying, not me.

What happened in 1570, in 1821, in 1958, in 1963, in 1974 and yesterday (and every period in between) can not change. The unfortunate fact is that since the Turks set their foot on our island they have caused and continue causing a lot of suffering and many problems to the native population.

What can change is the future. Unfortunately for the Turks it is a permanent 1570. They insist on the same kind of racist discriminations and undemocratic systems that they were imposed on Cyprus in the past and have caused so many problems and suffering.

When the Turks finally accept that Cyprus should be free, democratic and without any racist discriminations and forced segregation, then Cyprus will be allowed to move on and exist as a modern democracy. If this doesn't happen then in 2, 5, or 10 years time it will be exactly the same. If you hopped that we will just get tired of fighting for our rights and our lands you are mistaken.

[Viewpoint]

You cannot be trusted to rule the whole of Cyprus "without any racist discriminations and forced segregation" as you demand so the sooner you realize this will never materialize only then will you start to contribute towards finding a solution where we share our island equally.

[ZoC]

You cannot be trusted to rule the whole of Cyprus "without any racist discriminations and forced segregation" as you demand

sure, cypriots can't be trusted. no group of people - anywhere on the planet - could be trusted to put up with the poison u inject on the island.

trust me. anywhere on the planet, u would be loathed, resisted, isolated... just like the cypriots do to u on their island.

so the sooner you realize this will never materialize only then will you start to contribute towards finding a solution where we share our island equally.

ur a poisonous snake and keeping u in ur tiny box, preventing u from doing any more damage, is the solution. that's until we can figure out the most effective way to cut off ur food and air supply, so u wither and die.