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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:21 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Thank you for justifying what the Europeans did in the America's Africa, Australasia etc....
BTW the Persians and Egyptians and Cyprus etc were a a developed society long before Greek Conquests and Colonisation in the East Med, Near and Middle East, and ,


Still looking for justification for your recent Imperialist colonisations? Keep ignoring the fact that the Native American Indians and the Australian aborigines had 10s of thousands of years of culture whilst the Brits were still living in caves and painting themselves blue.

As for Cyprus and Greece; the people have been the same tribes since the time dot!
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Mar 08, 2013 4:29 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As for Cyprus and Greece; the people have been the same tribes since the time dot!



No they have not. That is you just trying to justify ancient invasions and colonisations.

The the Aboriginis of Australia and many North American Indiand were principally a nomadic and/or hunter-gatherer socities who painted themselves long adfter the ancient Brits gnerally abandoned woad.

And may I point out that the earliest use of carpentry in house construction and the construction of walkways, in Europe can be found in England at Star Carrs in Yorkshire, dating back 10000 years, and the Post Track and Sweet Tracks in Somerset and a track in Plumstead., dating back about 6000 years or so.

I would also point you to the highly significant sites of e.g Ness of Brogar and Skara Brae, Stone Henge and other sites which show a complex organised society existed in a way that I do not think is parallelled in Australasia or the Americas and where as far as I am aware there are no know contemporaneous equivalents.
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:18 pm

...we have a lot to learn from Native Americans. their respect for nature was not based on plunder, and when it comes to Charity, they come together in conflict rarely. while the Occidental world considers themselves highly evolved, it has done much harm to the complex diversity of Human beings.
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby Oceanside50 » Fri Mar 08, 2013 6:30 pm

@supporttheunderdog


The first concrete traces of the Mayan civilization date back to the Preclassic period around 1,800 BC in the Mirador Basin in Petén, northern Guatemala, though some settlements are thought to be over 6,000 years old (Coe, 2005). Signs of chiefdom political organization emerged during the Middle Preclassic era (ca. 1,000–400 BC), leading to the birth of a ruling elite and the development of city-state governing systems in the Late Preclassic (ca. 400 BC–100 AD), leading to rivalry and wars among them. (Sharer and Tucker, 2006).





http://www.authenticmaya.com/maya_culture.htm
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:23 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As for Cyprus and Greece; the people have been the same tribes since the time dot!



No they have not. That is you just trying to justify ancient invasions and colonisations.

The the Aboriginis of Australia and many North American Indiand were principally a nomadic and/or hunter-gatherer socities who painted themselves long adfter the ancient Brits gnerally abandoned woad.

And may I point out that the earliest use of carpentry in house construction and the construction of walkways, in Europe can be found in England at Star Carrs in Yorkshire, dating back 10000 years, and the Post Track and Sweet Tracks in Somerset and a track in Plumstead., dating back about 6000 years or so.

I would also point you to the highly significant sites of e.g Ness of Brogar and Skara Brae, Stone Henge and other sites which show a complex organised society existed in a way that I do not think is parallelled in Australasia or the Americas and where as far as I am aware there are no know contemporaneous equivalents.


Yeah yea yeach! But you didn't start writing "English" till a few centuries ago. :lol:

Still, you managed to invade all but 22 countries of the world, instead of wasting time learning to read and write ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653 ... bourg.html
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Mar 08, 2013 8:48 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As for Cyprus and Greece; the people have been the same tribes since the time dot!



No they have not. That is you just trying to justify ancient invasions and colonisations.

The the Aboriginis of Australia and many North American Indiand were principally a nomadic and/or hunter-gatherer socities who painted themselves long adfter the ancient Brits gnerally abandoned woad.

And may I point out that the earliest use of carpentry in house construction and the construction of walkways, in Europe can be found in England at Star Carrs in Yorkshire, dating back 10000 years, and the Post Track and Sweet Tracks in Somerset and a track in Plumstead., dating back about 6000 years or so.

I would also point you to the highly significant sites of e.g Ness of Brogar and Skara Brae, Stone Henge and other sites which show a complex organised society existed in a way that I do not think is parallelled in Australasia or the Americas and where as far as I am aware there are no know contemporaneous equivalents.


Yeah yea yeach! But you didn't start writing "English" till a few centuries ago. :lol:

Still, you managed to invade all but 22 countries of the world, instead of wasting time learning to read and write ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653 ... bourg.html


was it not a Greek , Alexander the great who sought to conquer the entire known world ? If its OK for him is it not OK for everyone else?
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Mar 08, 2013 9:06 pm

Oceanside50 wrote:@supporttheunderdog


The first concrete traces of the Mayan civilization date back to the Preclassic period around 1,800 BC in the Mirador Basin in Petén, northern Guatemala, though some settlements are thought to be over 6,000 years old (Coe, 2005). Signs of chiefdom political organization emerged during the Middle Preclassic era (ca. 1,000–400 BC), leading to the birth of a ruling elite and the development of city-state governing systems in the Late Preclassic (ca. 400 BC–100 AD), leading to rivalry and wars among them. (Sharer and Tucker, 2006).






http://www.authenticmaya.com/maya_culture.htm


I am well aware of Meso American and South American civilizations but the British sites I refer to are older by some 1400 years( at least) which is why I used the word contemporaneous.
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:37 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:As for Cyprus and Greece; the people have been the same tribes since the time dot!



No they have not. That is you just trying to justify ancient invasions and colonisations.

The the Aboriginis of Australia and many North American Indiand were principally a nomadic and/or hunter-gatherer socities who painted themselves long adfter the ancient Brits gnerally abandoned woad.

And may I point out that the earliest use of carpentry in house construction and the construction of walkways, in Europe can be found in England at Star Carrs in Yorkshire, dating back 10000 years, and the Post Track and Sweet Tracks in Somerset and a track in Plumstead., dating back about 6000 years or so.

I would also point you to the highly significant sites of e.g Ness of Brogar and Skara Brae, Stone Henge and other sites which show a complex organised society existed in a way that I do not think is parallelled in Australasia or the Americas and where as far as I am aware there are no know contemporaneous equivalents.


Yeah yea yeach! But you didn't start writing "English" till a few centuries ago. :lol:

Still, you managed to invade all but 22 countries of the world, instead of wasting time learning to read and write ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653 ... bourg.html


was it not a Greek , Alexander the great who sought to conquer the entire known world ? If its OK for him is it not OK for everyone else?


This is how you expose yourself as an amoral and ignorant prig.

Alexander the Great set out to defend Greece from the Persians, who were directly attacking Greece for several decades and then built a barrier to prevent further attacks.

Did the British Empire set out because Britain was invaded by Sri Lanka, or India or Malaysia or Cyprus or Australia or ... or .... or!

Besides, over 2000 years had passed between the work of Alexander and the crimes of the British Empire, which continue to this day! Do you see nothing wrong with that? Is it still OK to hang people because a few centuries ago it was common practice? By your reckoning, you would think it's just the ticket!
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:09 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:

was it not a Greek , Alexander the great who sought to conquer the entire known world ? If its OK for him is it not OK for everyone else?


This is how you expose yourself as an amoral and ignorant prig.

Alexander the Great set out to defend Greece from the Persians, who were directly attacking Greece for several decades and then built a barrier to prevent further attacks.

Did the British Empire set out because Britain was invaded by Sri Lanka, or India or Malaysia or Cyprus or Australia or ... or .... or!

Besides, over 2000 years had passed between the work of Alexander and the crimes of the British Empire, which continue to this day! Do you see nothing wrong with that? Is it still OK to hang people because a few centuries ago it was common practice? By your reckoning, you would thing it's just the ticket!


The history of Greece and Persia makes quite interesting reading with both Athens and Sparta competing for power within what is now Greece and each using the Persians for support, ultimately both losing out to Thebes, and then to the Macedonians who in a series of military campaigns took control of Greece under Phillip and then Alexander.

At that point there had been 53 years of peace with Persia, not the several decades of attacks you claim, until Phillip launched an outright aggressive war of conquest , not a preemptive strike as you claim, which indeed shows the faults of the Hellenic propaganda that masquerades as history.

I for my part have long recognised the evils of European Imperialism from the 16th to mid 20th Century. I otherwise think it is you who use Ancient history to try to undo modern realities by selectively turning the clock back to a period of your choosing in justifying your blinkered view of History.
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Re: the new Greece (the new Europe)

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:27 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Yeah yea yeach! But you didn't start writing "English" till a few centuries ago. :lol:

Still, you managed to invade all but 22 countries of the world, instead of wasting time learning to read and write ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653 ... bourg.html


was it not a Greek , Alexander the great who sought to conquer the entire known world ? If its OK for him is it not OK for everyone else?


This is how you expose yourself as an amoral and ignorant prig.

Alexander the Great set out to defend Greece from the Persians, who were directly attacking Greece for several decades and then built a barrier to prevent further attacks.

Did the British Empire set out because Britain was invaded by Sri Lanka, or India or Malaysia or Cyprus or Australia or ... or .... or!

Besides, over 2000 years had passed between the work of Alexander and the crimes of the British Empire, which continue to this day! Do you see nothing wrong with that? Is it still OK to hang people because a few centuries ago it was common practice? By your reckoning, you would think it's just the ticket!


Don't you mean Pig. :)
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