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[Kikapu]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

VP please stop it. RoC had absolutely no obligation to provide anything to the Kibrislis, who live in the occupied. They did this at a time we had enough money to show some support for you and our good will. Now things have changed, there are no money most government allowances have been cut off to the Cypriots who live here and pay taxes.At the moment they only apply a small visiting fee at Government hospitals, about 10 Euros, the medicines and the medical care that costs thousands still remains free.
HOWEVER there is a new law proposal that I am absolutely certain will p[ass either this month or next February after the elections that says
that In order to be eligible for free medical care at the Government hospitals

a)You must have paid social insurance for the past 3 years
b)You must have submitted income tax forms for the the same period
c)Your income must not exceed a certain value.

In short all Kibrislis who live in the occupied will be out, same with foreign workers who live here for less than 3 years, same with the Kypreoi who don't pay their taxes.

Yep this is how Democracy works. And this is how it should.

So what you are saying is that "RoC" citizens that reside in the North and have always resided there who cannot pay taxes direct to the "RoC", live below the poverty line cannot benefit from healthcare in the south paid or free?

Do you know expats in the UK who live in the TRNC can benefit from free healthcare in the UK?

Sounds like the "RoC" will be paying a lot more for expenisve court cases and compensation when they are sued for discrimination on the basis of residency, although they claim to represent the whole island benefiting accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, all we need is one death of a TC at the hands of the "true democratic" health system in the south and the reprecussions that follow...way to go "RoC".

I don't think that is entirely true.

I know someone who is a TC living in the north and is also British citizen. She came to London to have her child there, but was asked to pay £3,500 pounds towards the cost, and when she said, "but last time you did not charge me anything", she was then told "OK, that would now cost you £7,000 pounds". She was literally on the next flight back to the north before the date she could not fly due to her pregnancy. Can you explain this to me?

[B25]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

VP please stop it. RoC had absolutely no obligation to provide anything to the Kibrislis, who live in the occupied. They did this at a time we had enough money to show some support for you and our good will. Now things have changed, there are no money most government allowances have been cut off to the Cypriots who live here and pay taxes.At the moment they only apply a small visiting fee at Government hospitals, about 10 Euros, the medicines and the medical care that costs thousands still remains free.
HOWEVER there is a new law proposal that I am absolutely certain will p[ass either this month or next February after the elections that says
that In order to be eligible for free medical care at the Government hospitals

a)You must have paid social insurance for the past 3 years
b)You must have submitted income tax forms for the the same period
c)Your income must not exceed a certain value.

In short all Kibrislis who live in the occupied will be out, same with foreign workers who live here for less than 3 years, same with the Kypreoi who don't pay their taxes.

Yep this is how Democracy works. And this is how it should.

So what you are saying is that "RoC" citizens that reside in the North and have always resided there who cannot pay taxes direct to the "RoC", live below the poverty line cannot benefit from healthcare in the south paid or free?

Do you know expats in the UK who live in the TRNC can benefit from free healthcare in the UK?

Sounds like the "RoC" will be paying a lot more for expenisve court cases and compensation when they are sued for discrimination on the basis of residency, although they claim to represent the whole island benefiting accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, all we need is one death of a TC at the hands of the "true democratic" health system in the south and the reprecussions that follow...way to go "RoC".

I don't think that is entirely true.

I know someone who is a TC living in the north and is also British citizen. She came to London to have her child there, but was asked to pay £3,500 pounds towards the cost, and when she said, "but last time you did not charge me anything", she was then told "OK, that would now cost you £7,000 pounds". She was literally on the next flight back to the north before the date she could not fly due to her pregnancy. Can you explain this to me?

Yes, just the story of another TC parasite trying to suck from another payer, until she was told to FO. Then she went back to you shit hole to have the little brat. Whats new, thanks for confirming the parasitic nature of your people.

[Kikapu]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Democracy or Human Rights, since it is not something that is practiced in the north or in Turkey, therefore, you are the last person on the forum to give us a lessons on Democracy and Human Rights. Laws under democracy apply to ALL citizens of that country and not to certain people as you would like to make.

For one, every country's laws only apply withing the land they control, and secondly, ALL citizens of any country who are covered under the laws of that country are entitled to the benefits and responsibilities of that country. That's how democracy works as equal citizenship for all. TCs living in the north technically do not fall under the laws of the RoC, but exemptions can be made if willing by the RoC and can also be retracted by the RoC. This has nothing to do with Democracy and Human Rights by removing any benefits given to the TCs who are living in the occupied areas on their own free will. It is no different than Cypriots living in the UK or Australia, because the laws of the RoC does not extent to these countries and neither does it to the occupied areas of Cyprus.

You appear to be in distress over the fact that you have been found out that what you peddle is riddled with loopholes and can easily be manipulated to the benefit of Cypriot Citizens living in the south, my democracy says that you should not be allowed to discriminate against people who have lived in certain parts of Cyprus for centuries? I think you are on very thin ice and the EU would not be to happy about medical healthcare being used to discriminate against people who are also willing to pay and are being asked to be treated the same as other citizens, but keep up the good work Kikapoo your last posts have revealed exactly what we have feared all along.

Your fear has always been for you to be living under the Rule of Law in a Democracy. You have been living way too long under the "Spoils of War" rules as "Pirates of the Mediterranean". The rest of the EU lives under the Rule of Law, so don't expect the EU to lift a finger to help those living in the north to escape the Rule of Law set by the RoC to ALL her citizens. If you do not want to bear any of the responsibilities expected from each citizens under the RoC's Rule of Law, then you should also not expect the benefits either. Fair is fair.

Look on the bright side, soon you will be able to get recognition for the north by the world because those living in the north will not be able to get free healthcare services in the RoC!

[Viewpoint]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

VP please stop it. RoC had absolutely no obligation to provide anything to the Kibrislis, who live in the occupied. They did this at a time we had enough money to show some support for you and our good will. Now things have changed, there are no money most government allowances have been cut off to the Cypriots who live here and pay taxes.At the moment they only apply a small visiting fee at Government hospitals, about 10 Euros, the medicines and the medical care that costs thousands still remains free.
HOWEVER there is a new law proposal that I am absolutely certain will p[ass either this month or next February after the elections that says
that In order to be eligible for free medical care at the Government hospitals



a)You must have paid social insurance for the past 3 years
b)You must have submitted income tax forms for the the same period
c)Your income must not exceed a certain value.

In short all Kibrislis who live in the occupied will be out, same with foreign workers who live here for less than 3 years, same with the Kypreoi who don't pay their taxes.

Yep this is how Democracy works. And this is how it should.

So what you are saying is that "RoC" citizens that reside in the North and have always resided there who cannot pay taxes direct to the "RoC", live below the poverty line cannot benefit from healthcare in the south paid or free?

Do you know expats in the UK who live in the TRNC can benefit from free healthcare in the UK?

Sounds like the "RoC" will be paying a lot more for expenisve court cases and compensation when they are sued for discrimination on the basis of residency, although they claim to represent the whole island benefiting accordingly.

Interesting times ahead, all we need is one death of a TC at the hands of the "true democratic" health system in the south and the reprecussions that follow...way to go "RoC".

I don't think that is entirely true.



I know someone who is a TC living in the north and is also British citizen. She came to London to have her child there, but was asked to pay £3,500 pounds towards the cost, and when she said, "but last time you did not charge me anything", she was then told "OK, that would now cost you £7,000 pounds". She was literally on the next flight back to the north before the date she could not fly due to her pregnancy. Can you explain this to me?

Maybe she had been out of the country for a long while but the majority of UK citizens who live in the TRNC can use the healthcare system anywhere in teh EU including the UK as long as they have a medical card.

You are again using the same tactic to avoid from the fact that your "true democracy and human rights" can be manipulated to the benefit of certain citizens namely GCs.

[Me Ed]

Expats are not automatically entitled to free NHS treatment.

See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/expathealth/8134598/Expat-health-care-returning-to-the-UK.html

The way some of them get around this is to have themselves on the electoral register at a close relatives UK address such as a son or daughter.

It's not 100% legit and I am not of course suggesting anyone does this.

[Viewpoint]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Democracy or Human Rights, since it is not something that is practiced in the north or in Turkey, therefore, you are the last person on the forum to give us a lessons on Democracy and Human Rights. Laws under democracy apply to ALL citizens of that country and not to certain people as you would like to make.

For one, every country's laws only apply withing the land they control, and secondly, ALL citizens of any country who are covered under the laws of that country are entitled to the benefits and responsibilities of that country. That's how democracy works as equal citizenship for all. TCs living in the north technically do not fall under the laws of the RoC, but exemptions can be made if willing by the RoC and can also be retracted by the RoC. This has nothing to do with Democracy and Human Rights by removing any benefits given to the TCs who are living in the occupied areas on their own free will. It is no different than Cypriots living in the UK or Australia, because the laws of the RoC does not extent to these countries and neither does it to the occupied areas of Cyprus.

You appear to be in distress over the fact that you have been found out that what you peddle is riddled with loopholes and can easily be manipulated to the benefit of Cypriot Citizens living in the south, my democracy says that you should not be allowed to discriminate against people who have lived in certain parts of Cyprus for centuries? I think you are on very thin ice and the EU would not be to happy about medical healthcare being used to discriminate against people who are also willing to pay and are being asked to be treated the same as other citizens, but keep up the good work Kikapoo your last posts have revealed exactly what we have feared all along.

Your fear has always been for you to be living under the Rule of Law in a Democracy. You have been living way too long under the "Spoils of War" rules as "Pirates of the Mediterranean". The rest of the EU lives under the Rule of Law, so don't expect the EU to lift a finger to help those living in the north to escape the Rule of Law set by the RoC to ALL her citizens. If you do not want to bear any of the responsibilities expected from each citizens under the RoC's Rule of Law, then you should also not expect the benefits either. Fair is fair.

Look on the bright side, soon you will be able to get recognition for the north by the world because those living in the north will not be able to get free healthcare services in the RoC!

Now I know you have lost the plot all together, if the "RoC" claims to represent all here citizens and reeps the benefits then she is forced to treat them equally no matter where they reside, basically this is what I am objecting to. If certain criteria are put in place and all citizens beloew the poverty line will pay then the TCs will pay as well but if the "RoC" is going to discriminate on location then she will also have to face the music of laws suits against her. You cannot have your cake and eat it to, renounce that you represent the TCs and do as you wish but you cannot have it both ways.

[Kikapu]

Why do you think the GCs have had to provide free healthcare? its because all TCs are considered to be earning below the poverty line, a decision taken by the south to show they also cater for a community they claim to represent and who have citizenship.

How ironic you yourself have fallen into the trap by exposing how your true democracy and human rights can easily be manipulated to the benefit of certain people who live in specific areas of the island, now you are trying to backtrack and save face.

As for the standard of healthcare in the south compared to the north we also have GCs crossing to the north for healthcare albeit not free at our Near East Hospital, this proves the families who need medical care will go where ever they can get the best treatment for the best price according to their financial means. No doubt there are some great doctors in the south just as there are in the USA UK or Turkey but when you add to this free its a no contest decision. Now do you get it?

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to Democracy or Human Rights, since it is not something that is practiced in the north or in Turkey, therefore, you are the last person on the forum to give us a lessons on Democracy and Human Rights. Laws under democracy apply to ALL citizens of that country and not to certain people as you would like to make.

For one, every country's laws only apply withing the land they control, and secondly, ALL citizens of any country who are covered under the laws of that country are entitled to the benefits and responsibilities of that country. That's how democracy works as equal citizenship for all. TCs living in the north technically do not fall under the laws of the RoC, but exemptions can be made if willing by the RoC and can also be retracted by the RoC. This has nothing to do with Democracy and Human Rights by removing any benefits given to the TCs who are living in the occupied areas on their own free will. It is no different than Cypriots living in the UK or Australia, because the laws of the RoC does not extent to these countries and neither does it to the occupied areas of Cyprus.

You appear to be in distress over the fact that you have been found out that what you peddle is riddled with loopholes and can easily be manipulated to the benefit of Cypriot Citizens living in the south, my democracy says that you should not be allowed to discriminate against people who have lived in certain parts of Cyprus for centuries? I think you are on very thin ice and the EU would not be to happy about medical healthcare being used to discriminate against people who are also willing to pay and are being asked to be treated the same as other citizens, but keep up the good work Kikapoo your last posts have revealed exactly what we have feared all along.

Your fear has always been for you to be living under the Rule of Law in a Democracy. You have been living way too long under the "Spoils of War" rules as "Pirates of the Mediterranean". The rest of the EU lives under the Rule of Law, so don't expect the EU to lift a finger to help those living in the north to escape the Rule of Law set by the RoC to ALL her citizens. If you do not want to bear any of the responsibilities expected from each citizens under the RoC's Rule of Law, then you should also not expect the benefits either. Fair is fair.

Look on the bright side, soon you will be able to get recognition for the north by the world because those living in the north will not be able to get free healthcare services in the RoC!

Now I know you have lost the plot all together, if the "RoC" claims to represent all here citizens and reeps the benefits then she is forced to treat them equally no matter where they reside, basically this is what I am objecting to. If certain criteria are put in place and all citizens beloew the poverty line will pay then the TCs will pay as well but if the "RoC" is going to discriminate on location then she will also have to face the music of laws suits against her. You cannot have your cake and eat it to, renounce that you represent the TCs and do as you wish but you cannot have it both ways.

All countries represents her citizens politically no matter which part of the world the citizens live of that said country, but it does not mean you can also receive financial benefits when you do not pay back anything into the system as part of any citizens responsibility. As long as ALL RoC's citizens are treated equally under the Rules of Law that apply to everyone for those living within the control of the RoC, then there are no discrimination against anyone. Those living in the north under the occupation of Turkey who are also paying their taxes to the system in the north, who are also choosing where their responsibilities lie, then that's where they should also receive their benefits. Case Closed!

[Viewpoint]

More proof that the GCs do not represent the TCs, CASE IS NOW CLOSED.

[Kikapu]

More proof that the GCs do not represent the TCs, CASE IS NOW CLOSED.

As long as the TCs are registered RoC passport holders on their own free will, then they will ALWAYS be politically represented by the RoC and the Case has always been Closed on this for a very long time no matter what you say. Just by those calling themselves a TC (who are entitled), it automatically implies that he/she is a citizen of the RoC. I know it's hard for you to swallow the bitter truth, but life can be a bitch for you sometimes.

[Viewpoint]

More proof that the GCs do not represent the TCs, CASE IS NOW CLOSED.

As long as the TCs are registered RoC passport holders on their own free will, then they will ALWAYS be politically represented by the RoC and the Case has always been Closed on this for a very long time no matter what you say. Just by those calling themselves a TC (who are entitled), it automatically implies that he/she is a citizen of the RoC. I know it's hard for you to swallow the bitter truth, but life can be a bitch for you sometimes.

Only time will show the results of this change if in fact it takes place, Im all for treating citizens equally but once you use democracy as a tool to discrminate then I will always oppose it, people have seen from this example that the true democracy and human rights you peddle isnt all its made out to be, the loopholes and pitfalls are clear for all to see.