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[Kikapu]

Loop holes and trickery appear to the main theme in your version of true democracy and human rights for all as long as you are a GC living in the south, manipulating the system for the detriment of one community appears to be your only goal and all under the camouflage of true democracy and human rights for all, thank you for proving my point.

Loopholes are part of any Democracy, as long as everyone has access to it and not given only to chosen ones. Under the current situation in Cyprus, the RoC only has control in the unoccupied areas, therefore they can make laws as they see fit to her citizens living in the areas it controls. This has nothing to do with the north, democracy or Human Rights, as long as no one is discriminated in the areas it controls.Those Cypriots living in the north cannot expect to be treated as same as the Cypriots living in the south by the RoC. When it comes to belt tightening with finances, one must protect ones home first and that's what the RoC wants to do. Those who live outside the home, need to make use of what's available to them where ever they live. But were you not the one who was laughing the other day when you were gloating that the RoC was broke and could not afford to take part in the Eurovision No Talent Song Contest, but now you are upset the RoC does not want to spend money on Cypriots living outside the areas she does not control. Are you not being a hypocrite here?

As for the comment about the TCs living in the north for 100 years, it was to try and enhance the understanding that TCs under your proposed system will be penalized for residing in the north part of Cyprus for generations, what are they supposed to do move south? please this ideology is so comical you will be the laughing stock of the EU. Troyka will enforce charges for all citizens irrelevant of whether they live north or south of the border.

Cypriots living in the occupied areas are the responsibility of Turkey, pure and simple. There has to be a price paid by any occupying power of any country, or else every Tom, Dick and Harry country will do the same. Let Turkey pay for all the needs of all Cypriots living in the north. On the other hand, under a Unitary state or Federation state, there cannot be any difference to where ever any Cypriot will want to live. They will all be treated equally since there won't be any illegal foreign occupying powers in Cyprus.

Heres the answer to your question which I was not trying to avoid, Why not go to the south for free healthcare if its on offer and paid for benefits derived from claiming the GC administration represent provide for all its citizens? If you offer it and someone uses you should not complain didnt your mummy teach you good manners? obviously not.

That's no answer at all, because if free health care is provided in the north and it is good, why would you want to go to the south to be treated by the people you claim to be revenge seeking racists. Further more, if the free health care is cut to those living in the north by the RoC, then what's all the fuss, since you can still get free health care in the north. No, there has to be another reason.

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Kikapooo

Loopholes are part of any Democracy, as long as everyone has access to it and not given only to chosen ones. Under the current situation in Cyprus, the RoC only has control in the unoccupied areas, therefore they can make laws as they see fit to her citizens living in the areas it controls. This has nothing to do with the north, democracy or Human Rights, as long as no one is discriminated in the areas it controls.Those Cypriots living in the north cannot expect to be treated as same as the Cypriots living in the south by the RoC. When it comes to belt tightening with finances, one must protect ones home first and that's what the RoC wants to do. Those who live outside the home, need to make use of what's available to them where ever they live. But were you not the one who was laughing the other day when you were gloating that the RoC was broke and could not afford to take part in the Eurovision No Talent Song Contest, but now you are upset the RoC does not want to spend money on Cypriots living outside the areas she does not control. Are you not being a hypocrite here?

So you agree the true democracy and human rights you peddle are riddled with loopholes and trickery which can be used to gain unfair advanatges against each other, thank you for this confession which I hope everyone takes note of and confirms 100% what I have been saying all along.

Then you go on to say that due to these loopholes the GCs can pass laws that discriminate aginst her own EU citizens for living in the northern part of the island, these are very important confessions and clearly show how easily GCs would pass laws to discriminate against TCs at every turn all under the name of true democracy and human rights for all.

Cypriots living in the occupied areas are the responsibility of Turkey, pure and simple. There has to be a price paid by any occupying power of any country, or else every Tom, Dick and Harry country will do the same. Let Turkey pay for all the needs of all Cypriots living in the north. On the other hand, under a Unitary state or Federation state, there cannot be any difference to where ever any Cypriot will want to live. They will all be treated equally since there won't be any illegal foreign occupying powers in Cyprus.

Hello Turkey has been paying for 38 years as you well know and continues to fnanancially support us due to inhumae embargoes forced on us by the GCs who have stolen our rights, as for a unitary state puh you yourself have addmitted that your true democracy and human rights is riddled with loopholes and trickery which would allow the majority the free hand they demand to pass laws discriminating on where you live let alone ethnic origins.

That's no answer at all, because if free health care is provided in the north and it is good, why would you want to go to the south to be treated by the people you claim to be revenge seeking racists. Further more, if the free health care is cut to those living in the north by the RoC, then what's all the fuss, since you can still get free health care in the north. No, there has to be another reason.

Look ill try and make it more simple for you as you are struggling to understand human behaviour, people that are ill will use any available means to try and get better, they will exaust all available means to get back to good health. When you put on offer free healthcare to EU citizens then you cannot complain about people taking you up on your offer. The majority of Tcs that go south for free medical care see it as just another option to try, you soon forget that there are thousands who do use the free healthcare in the TRNC and get better, but there are always those that are not so financially well off to go to Turkey UK or USA so they opt for the only free available option of trying the south.

[Kikapu]

Kikapooo

Loopholes are part of any Democracy, as long as everyone has access to it and not given only to chosen ones. Under the current situation in Cyprus, the RoC only has control in the unoccupied areas, therefore they can make laws as they see fit to her citizens living in the areas it controls. This has nothing to do with the north, democracy or Human Rights, as long as no one is discriminated in the areas it controls.Those Cypriots living in the north cannot expect to be treated as same as the Cypriots living in the south by the RoC. When it comes to belt tightening with finances, one must protect ones home first and that's what the RoC wants to do. Those who live outside the home, need to make use of what's available to them where ever they live. But were you not the one who was laughing the other day when you were gloating that the RoC was broke and could not afford to take part in the Eurovision No Talent Song Contest, but now you are upset the RoC does not want to spend money on Cypriots living outside the areas she does not control. Are you not being a hypocrite here?

So you agree the true democracy and human rights you peddle are riddled with loopholes and trickery which can be used to gain unfair advanatges against each other, thank you for this confession which I hope everyone takes note of and confirms 100% what I have been saying all along.

Then you go on to say that due to these loopholes the GCs can pass laws that discriminate aginst her own EU citizens for living in the northern part of the island, these are very important confessions and clearly show how easily GCs would pass laws to discriminate against TCs at every turn all under the name of true democracy and human rights for all.

I was of course referring to loopholes in finances and tax laws which you missed in my post. We are not talking about loopholes in Constitution. That would fall more on the interpretation of the laws, which is what you have courts for for clarity. Democracy is like a sand dune that shifts it's shape and position with time to various directions based on where the wind is blowing from and how strong. Only in dictatorships and apartheid systems where the sand dunes remain constant for the majority no matter how much the wind blows and from which directions, which is what you prefer, as long as you are the benefactor as a minority over the majority.

Cypriots living in the occupied areas are the responsibility of Turkey, pure and simple. There has to be a price paid by any occupying power of any country, or else every Tom, Dick and Harry country will do the same. Let Turkey pay for all the needs of all Cypriots living in the north. On the other hand, under a Unitary state or Federation state, there cannot be any difference to where ever any Cypriot will want to live. They will all be treated equally since there won't be any illegal foreign occupying powers in Cyprus.

Hello Turkey has been paying for 38 years as you well know and continues to fnanancially support us due to inhumae embargoes forced on us by the GCs who have stolen our rights, as for a unitary state puh you yourself have addmitted that your true democracy and human rights is riddled with loopholes and trickery which would allow the majority the free hand they demand to pass laws discriminating on where you live let alone ethnic origins.

Then there's no problem. Turkey should pay and will pay. Case Closed!

That's no answer at all, because if free health care is provided in the north and it is good, why would you want to go to the south to be treated by the people you claim to be revenge seeking racists. Further more, if the free health care is cut to those living in the north by the RoC, then what's all the fuss, since you can still get free health care in the north. No, there has to be another reason.

Look ill try and make it more simple for you as you are struggling to understand human behaviour, people that are ill will use any available means to try and get better, they will exaust all available means to get back to good health. When you put on offer free healthcare to EU citizens then you cannot complain about people taking you up on your offer. The majority of Tcs that go south for free medical care see it as just another option to try, you soon forget that there are thousands who do use the free healthcare in the TRNC and get better, but there are always those that are not so financially well off to go to Turkey UK or USA so they opt for the only free available option of trying the south.

So, in short what you are saying is, that the health care system is much better in the south than those in the north, is the reason why these TCs come to the RoC, just because they cannot afford to go anywhere else to get the treatment that they need. For not so serious health care needs, they can be done in the north. That makes sense. So basically, Turkey is not meeting the needs of the TCs in the north to give them a better healthcare.. I think the TCs should complain to the UN about it, don't you think?

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Kikapoo the free healthcare is a good enough standard in the TRNC to stop thousands of TCs from seeking free medical care in the south. Those that do are like any other ill person who goes to get treatment outside of their country eg USA UK Turkey but in your case its free....but for how long.

As to the rest of your post its only goes to show how you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, I have sucessfully shown what your true democracy and human rights for all really meana, in your own words "moving sand dunes" which will allow the GCs the opportunity to change any agreement overtime and turn everything to their advantage our our disadvantage, you have fallen into your own trap. I only hope people are intelligent enough to see what you are peddling leaves us exposed and at risk, laws can and will be passed to the detriment of the TCs Kikapooo has just clearly displayed this for all to see. Thats why checks and balances are vitally important to ensure this cannot be done unilaterally and keep both sides within any signed agreement.

[Kikapu]

Kikapoo the free healthcare is a good enough standard in the TRNC to stop thousands of TCs from seeking free medical care in the south. Those that do are like any other ill person who goes to get treatment outside of their country eg USA UK Turkey but in your case its free....but for how long.

As to the rest of your post its only goes to show how you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, I have sucessfully shown what your true democracy and human rights for all really meana, in your own words "moving sand dunes" which will allow the GCs the opportunity to change any agreement overtime and turn everything to their advantage our our disadvantage, you have fallen into your own trap. I only hope people are intelligent enough to see what you are peddling leaves us exposed and at risk, laws can and will be passed to the detriment of the TCs Kikapooo has just clearly displayed this for all to see. Thats why checks and balances are vitally important to ensure this cannot be done unilaterally and keep both sides within any signed agreement.

Wait a minute. You stated that those TCs with money go to Turkey, EU, USA and so on to get medical treatment, presumably for good medical treatment, meaning one cannot get good medical treatment in the north, otherwise why leave in the first place, specially when it's free, hence the reason TCs needing good treatment but cannot afford to go abroad end up going to the south. It is only logical, otherwise why would any TCs go to the south when they can get free good medical services in the north.

True Democracy does have Checks and Balances, but in a democratic way where the laws apply to ALL citizens and politics is like a moving Sand Dunes. What you want is an apartheid system in a undemocratic way where the minority benefits over the majority. This is your kind of "checks and balances". As soon as the EU converts it's democratic system to an apartheid one, we can apply the same to Cyprus. You see things the way Erdogan sees, which is more like a Dictator in a Autocracy way rather than in a Democratic way with Checks and Balances. This was an article from last month showing us your kind of "checks and balances".

US system works too slowly, says Turkish PM

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized the presidential system in the United Sates for its “slow pace,” reiterating his call to create a Turkish-style presidential system.

Erdoğan told a group of journalists while returning from Spain that criticism of moves to give the president more authority was unjust.

“The U.S. president cannot appoint an ambassador, he cannot even solely decide on the sale of a helicopter … That’s why we should create a Turkish-style presidential system,” he said.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-sys ... sCatID=338

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Kikapoo the free healthcare is a good enough standard in the TRNC to stop thousands of TCs from seeking free medical care in the south. Those that do are like any other ill person who goes to get treatment outside of their country eg USA UK Turkey but in your case its free....but for how long.

As to the rest of your post its only goes to show how you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, I have sucessfully shown what your true democracy and human rights for all really meana, in your own words "moving sand dunes" which will allow the GCs the opportunity to change any agreement overtime and turn everything to their advantage our our disadvantage, you have fallen into your own trap. I only hope people are intelligent enough to see what you are peddling leaves us exposed and at risk, laws can and will be passed to the detriment of the TCs Kikapooo has just clearly displayed this for all to see. Thats why checks and balances are vitally important to ensure this cannot be done unilaterally and keep both sides within any signed agreement.

Wait a minute. You stated that those TCs with money go to Turkey, EU, USA and so on to get medical treatment, presumably for good medical treatment, meaning one cannot get good medical treatment in the north, otherwise why leave in the first place, specially when it's free, hence the reason TCs needing good treatment but cannot afford to go abroad end up going to the south. It is only logical, otherwise why would any TCs go to the south when they can get free good medical services in the north.

True Democracy does have Checks and Balances, but in a democratic way where the laws apply to ALL citizens and politics is like a moving Sand Dunes. What you want is an apartheid system in a undemocratic way where the minority benefits over the majority. This is your kind of "checks and balances". As soon as the EU converts it's democratic system to an apartheid one, we can apply the same to Cyprus. You see things the way Erdogan sees, which is more like a Dictator in a Autocracy way rather than in a Democratic way with Checks and Balances. This was an article from last month showing us your kind of "checks and balances".

US system works too slowly, says Turkish PM

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized the presidential system in the United Sates for its “slow pace,” reiterating his call to create a Turkish-style presidential system.

Erdoğan told a group of journalists while returning from Spain that criticism of moves to give the president more authority was unjust.

“The U.S. president cannot appoint an ambassador, he cannot even solely decide on the sale of a helicopter … That’s why we should create a Turkish-style presidential system,” he said.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-sys ... sCatID=338

This post is like a drowning man coming up for his last breath you have accidently shown us how the true democracy and human rights you peddle can be manipulated to the benefit of one side that being the GCs.

Now you are desperately trying to change the subject to save face...well you have been exposed for what you really are a bigot who wants to bring about a system that will allow the GCs being the majority to manipulate the loopholes and use the trickery which forms the foundation stones of the "true democracy and human rights" you try to sell us. Well as you can see no one is buying it.

[Kikapu]

Kikapoo the free healthcare is a good enough standard in the TRNC to stop thousands of TCs from seeking free medical care in the south. Those that do are like any other ill person who goes to get treatment outside of their country eg USA UK Turkey but in your case its free....but for how long.

As to the rest of your post its only goes to show how you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, I have sucessfully shown what your true democracy and human rights for all really meana, in your own words "moving sand dunes" which will allow the GCs the opportunity to change any agreement overtime and turn everything to their advantage our our disadvantage, you have fallen into your own trap. I only hope people are intelligent enough to see what you are peddling leaves us exposed and at risk, laws can and will be passed to the detriment of the TCs Kikapooo has just clearly displayed this for all to see. Thats why checks and balances are vitally important to ensure this cannot be done unilaterally and keep both sides within any signed agreement.

Wait a minute. You stated that those TCs with money go to Turkey, EU, USA and so on to get medical treatment, presumably for good medical treatment, meaning one cannot get good medical treatment in the north, otherwise why leave in the first place, specially when it's free, hence the reason TCs needing good treatment but cannot afford to go abroad end up going to the south. It is only logical, otherwise why would any TCs go to the south when they can get free good medical services in the north.

True Democracy does have Checks and Balances, but in a democratic way where the laws apply to ALL citizens and politics is like a moving Sand Dunes. What you want is an apartheid system in a undemocratic way where the minority benefits over the majority. This is your kind of "checks and balances". As soon as the EU converts it's democratic system to an apartheid one, we can apply the same to Cyprus. You see things the way Erdogan sees, which is more like a Dictator in a Autocracy way rather than in a Democratic way with Checks and Balances. This was an article from last month showing us your kind of "checks and balances".

US system works too slowly, says Turkish PM

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized the presidential system in the United Sates for its “slow pace,” reiterating his call to create a Turkish-style presidential system.

Erdoğan told a group of journalists while returning from Spain that criticism of moves to give the president more authority was unjust.

“The U.S. president cannot appoint an ambassador, he cannot even solely decide on the sale of a helicopter … That’s why we should create a Turkish-style presidential system,” he said.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-sys ... sCatID=338

This post is like a drowning man coming up for his last breath you have accidently shown us how the true democracy and human rights you peddle can be manipulated to the benefit of one side that being the GCs.

Now you are desperately trying to change the subject to save face...well you have been exposed for what you really are a bigot who wants to bring about a system that will allow the GCs being the majority to manipulate the loopholes and use the trickery which forms the foundation stones of the "true democracy and human rights" you try to sell us. Well as you can see no one is buying it.

Your ignorance of what democracy is and how it works is sad and astounding. Living under Turkey's influence in the north all these years where democracy does not exists and where Human Rights of Cypriots are violated, it has become your understanding of what Democracy, Human Rights and checks & balances are.

Has the EU switched to your and Erdogan's idea of "democracy" yet?

Lucky for every Cypriot, the whole island of Cyprus is in the EU, so you better start learning about Democracy, Human rights and International law, because the EU and it's Principles is the ONLY game in town for Cyprus.

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Kikapoo the free healthcare is a good enough standard in the TRNC to stop thousands of TCs from seeking free medical care in the south. Those that do are like any other ill person who goes to get treatment outside of their country eg USA UK Turkey but in your case its free....but for how long.

As to the rest of your post its only goes to show how you have been caught with your hand in the cookie jar, I have sucessfully shown what your true democracy and human rights for all really meana, in your own words "moving sand dunes" which will allow the GCs the opportunity to change any agreement overtime and turn everything to their advantage our our disadvantage, you have fallen into your own trap. I only hope people are intelligent enough to see what you are peddling leaves us exposed and at risk, laws can and will be passed to the detriment of the TCs Kikapooo has just clearly displayed this for all to see. Thats why checks and balances are vitally important to ensure this cannot be done unilaterally and keep both sides within any signed agreement.

Wait a minute. You stated that those TCs with money go to Turkey, EU, USA and so on to get medical treatment, presumably for good medical treatment, meaning one cannot get good medical treatment in the north, otherwise why leave in the first place, specially when it's free, hence the reason TCs needing good treatment but cannot afford to go abroad end up going to the south. It is only logical, otherwise why would any TCs go to the south when they can get free good medical services in the north.

True Democracy does have Checks and Balances, but in a democratic way where the laws apply to ALL citizens and politics is like a moving Sand Dunes. What you want is an apartheid system in a undemocratic way where the minority benefits over the majority. This is your kind of "checks and balances". As soon as the EU converts it's democratic system to an apartheid one, we can apply the same to Cyprus. You see things the way Erdogan sees, which is more like a Dictator in a Autocracy way rather than in a Democratic way with Checks and Balances. This was an article from last month showing us your kind of "checks and balances".

US system works too slowly, says Turkish PM

Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized the presidential system in the United Sates for its “slow pace,” reiterating his call to create a Turkish-style presidential system.

Erdoğan told a group of journalists while returning from Spain that criticism of moves to give the president more authority was unjust.

“The U.S. president cannot appoint an ambassador, he cannot even solely decide on the sale of a helicopter … That’s why we should create a Turkish-style presidential system,” he said.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-sys ... sCatID=338

This post is like a drowning man coming up for his last breath you have accidently shown us how the true democracy and human rights you peddle can be manipulated to the benefit of one side that being the GCs.

Now you are desperately trying to change the subject to save face...well you have been exposed for what you really are a bigot who wants to bring about a system that will allow the GCs being the majority to manipulate the loopholes and use the trickery which forms the foundation stones of the "true democracy and human rights" you try to sell us. Well as you can see no one is buying it.

Your ignorance of what democracy is and how it works is sad and astounding. Living under Turkey's influence in the north all these years where democracy does not exists and where Human Rights of Cypriots are violated, it has become your understanding of what Democracy, Human Rights and checks & balances are.

Has the EU switched to your and Erdogan's idea of "democracy" yet?

Lucky for every Cypriot, the whole island of Cyprus is in the EU, so you better start learning about Democracy, Human rights and International law, because the EU and it's Principles is the ONLY game in town for Cyprus.

Death by natural causes, case closed. You have proven beyond a doubt the flaws of the "true democracy and human rights" you peddle and the dangers there in which you want to expose TCs....RIP

[Kikapu]

Death by natural causes, case closed. You have proven beyond a doubt the flaws of the "true democracy and human rights" you peddle and the dangers there in which you want to expose TCs....RIP

Show me the proof!

It is very true, that a little information can be very dangerous with you!

It must be your lack of full comprehension of the written English language....Case Closed!

Now, lets get back to the topic, because you want to sideline it, but I won't let you. So the conclusion is, the reasons as to why TCs come to the south for their free medical needs, is because the free medical services they get in the north is not as good as the one they get in the south........got it!

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Death by natural causes, case closed. You have proven beyond a doubt the flaws of the "true democracy and human rights" you peddle and the dangers there in which you want to expose TCs....RIP

Show me the proof!

It is very true, that a little information can be very dangerous with you!

It must be your lack of full comprehension of the written English language....Case Closed!

Now, lets get back to the topic, because you want to sideline it, but I won't let you. So the conclusion is, the reasons as to why TCs come to the south for their free medical needs, is because the free medical services they get in the north is not as good as the one they get in the south........got it!

Either that Kiks, or it's a Turkish ploy to burden the RoC finances to bankrupt us to surrender to Turkey. Notice the offer of finance if we recognise them. Shish, these guys must think we were born yesterday. I have to apologise for VP for not understanding your simple and concise explanations, but after all the brainwashing she has had from turkey, it's hard to see straight. All the best.