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[Lordo]

ahhhh i see now you are begining to understand. you see it is a democratic and a free country. my family always visited gc doctors before 1974. because we are not racists. the reason why tcs visit the doctors in the south is because they are not racists. dont get me wrong the gcs are racists it is the tcs that are not racists.

does that answer it.

Actually NO, you did not answer it. Not even close.

I don't understand what you said. Not only that, it made no sense at all.

So the TCs are going to GC doctors not because it is free health service, because they get free service in the north also, but because the GCs are racists (doctors too I assume), so this means what really, that the TCs are some kind of Masochist and are glutton for punishment? Is that what you are saying? Are you for real?

Play it again, Sam...........Lordo!

read it again. what is there not to understand. it is a free country and they are entitled to it.

it seems you want your cake and eat it. ask your bstardo25 friend he will explain it to you.

[Lordo]

My family is not entitled of free Med care at the Government hospitals...
So I go to private hospitals/clinics. It costs A LOT..a simple operation might cost around 2-3000 Euros, if you need something really serious you might consider selling your house to pay the medical bills.
Guess how many Kibrisli patients I see there at the private clinics, paying a hell lot of money out of their own pocket just like I do.

Last week I was at a petrol station and there entered an old man accompanied by another 2 friends talking with funny accent.In the beginning I thought he was probably a Pontian, or some foreign worker. He had a piece of paper in hand it was from the Government hospital, sending him to a specialist;s lab. The old man asked if anyone knew where that lab was, someone told him previously it was near but he couldn't find it. The petrol station owner had a look on the paper and said "there it is on the first floor of the next building". The old man looked poor and sad. I looked at the sign on the first floor, the lab was a specialized one for cancer diseases. The old man asked if it would be ok to leave his car parked there in the gas station, because there was no other place nearby for him to park. The owner said OK no problem... The car was an old junk, with license plates of the pseudo state.
I really felt sad for the man's condition.

why did you not walk up to the man and ask him about his life. perhaps he had a son and lost him to the roc police in 63. you know that kind of loss devestates any human being.

by the way are you boys keen to stop these visits of the tcs whos families was killed by the roc police and eoga too.

it is heartworming to see how much care at what devistation you have caused.

[bill cobbett]

My family is not entitled of free Med care at the Government hospitals...
So I go to private hospitals/clinics. It costs A LOT..a simple operation might cost around 2-3000 Euros, if you need something really serious you might consider selling your house to pay the medical bills.
Guess how many Kibrisli patients I see there at the private clinics, paying a hell lot of money out of their own pocket just like I do.

Last week I was at a petrol station and there entered an old man accompanied by another 2 friends talking with funny accent.In the beginning I thought he was probably a Pontian, or some foreign worker. He had a piece of paper in hand it was from the Government hospital, sending him to a specialist;s lab. The old man asked if anyone knew where that lab was, someone told him previously it was near but he couldn't find it. The petrol station owner had a look on the paper and said "there it is on the first floor of the next building". The old man looked poor and sad. I looked at the sign on the first floor, the lab was a specialized one for cancer diseases. The old man asked if it would be ok to leave his car parked there in the gas station, because there was no other place nearby for him to park. The owner said OK no problem... The car was an old junk, with license plates of the pseudo state.
I really felt sad for the man's condition.

Yes, a sad story Pyro file... but what shines through (if you don't mind me saying) is your very human compassion for the old man.

[Kikapu]

ahhhh i see now you are begining to understand. you see it is a democratic and a free country. my family always visited gc doctors before 1974. because we are not racists. the reason why tcs visit the doctors in the south is because they are not racists. dont get me wrong the gcs are racists it is the tcs that are not racists.

does that answer it.

Actually NO, you did not answer it. Not even close.

I don't understand what you said. Not only that, it made no sense at all.

So the TCs are going to GC doctors not because it is free health service, because they get free service in the north also, but because the GCs are racists (doctors too I assume), so this means what really, that the TCs are some kind of Masochist and are glutton for punishment? Is that what you are saying? Are you for real?

Play it again, Sam...........Lordo!

read it again. what is there not to understand. it is a free country and they are entitled to it.

it seems you want your cake and eat it. ask your bstardo25 friend he will explain it to you.

It is very clear of your dishonesty, Lordo, where you do not want to answer a very simple question as to why TCs who can already get free health services in the north, but instead chooses to come to the south, even if they were entitled to it, which most are not in reality as I've explained to VP already in this thread who did not contest it. It was an offer made by the RoC in the past, and now, they are going to retract that offer, that's all. So what are you hiding as to why these TCs are choosing to come to the south for medical help and not stay in the north? What will happen to these TCs in the north once they are not able to get free medical services in the south. Come on big boy, educate us with your "wisdom" for a change!

[Me Ed]

I find the hypocrisy and apparent political agenda of both Lordo and VP astonishing.

They both have previously stated that they "would rather die" than receive medical treatment from the RoC.

Rather than celebrating, all of a sudden they are championing free medical treatment for TCs in the RoC.

At least the TC news reports on this are not hypocritical, but appear to be conflicted where on the one hand they can't say what a good thing the RoC did by offering this in the first place and can't say explicitly that it's a bad thing that the RoC has now withdrawn it as they make mention of the medical facilities in the occupied area.

"near east university board of trustees chairman" İrfan Suat Günsel, when talking about medical facilities in the occupied areas stated:

“If it wasn't for us, late "kktc president" Rauf Denktaş would have to go to Turkey for treatment. But it wasn't medically recommended. Then only hospitals in the southern Cyprus would be a solution and that would be unacceptable for a man who gave his years for this case [the independence of the "kktc"]”.

[Lordo]

where is the hypocracy me ed. personal choice of one individual only effecting themselves is one thing and believing in human rights of a nation to choose what ever it suits herself is another. i see no hypocracy there. if the rule of roc is to provide free healthcare to citizens below the poverty line and then retracts this service to the citizens north of the green line then how can this be explained. It is in the constitution that tcs pay to the tc authorities and gcs to gc authorities. there is nothing in the constitution that one cannot make use of the services of the other. now considering that the economic suffocation directly results in the below poverty standard of living north of thre green line and the roc is also directly responsible for the economic suffocation on account that there are gc property being used in the north whilst at the same time gcs are using tc properties in the south which are actually greater in value than the gc lands in the north i do believe that the hypocricy mainly manifests itself in the south of the green line not that there is none in the north of the line.

my question still remains. we have a tc family who live in the north whos father was murdered by the roc police. now how will it look when this service is withdrawn from this family and many other families.

first live in a civilised scociety before you start criticising others. when the foundation is rotten the build will collapse sonner ot later. have a closer look at the roc foundations.

[bill cobbett]

Has anyone seen any confirmation of this story by the way...???

[Me Ed]

where is the hypocracy me ed. personal choice of one individual only effecting themselves is one thing and believing in human rights of a nation to choose what ever it suits herself is another. i see no hypocracy there. if the rule of roc is to provide free healthcare to citizens below the poverty line and then retracts this service to the citizens north of the green line then how can this be explained. It is in the constitution that tcs pay to the tc authorities and gcs to gc authorities. there is nothing in the constitution that one cannot make use of the services of the other. now considering that the economic suffocation directly results in the below poverty standard of living north of thre green line and the roc is also directly responsible for the economic suffocation on account that there are gc property being used in the north whilst at the same time gcs are using tc properties in the south which are actually greater in value than the gc lands in the north i do believe that the hypocricy mainly manifests itself in the south of the green line not that there is none in the north of the line.

my question still remains. we have a tc family who live in the north whos father was murdered by the roc police. now how will it look when this service is withdrawn from this family and many other families.

first live in a civilised scociety before you start criticising others. when the foundation is rotten the build will collapse sonner ot later. have a closer look at the roc foundations.

Lordo,

I for once agree with your statement "when the foundation is rotten the build will collapse sooner or later. have a closer look at the roc foundations", and looking at the original RoC constitution, yes it is rotten and of course collapsed in 1963.

However, you do need to come into the real world.

Firstly, the TCs current predicament is overwhelmingly Turkeys fault and whilst TCs welcomed Turkeys invasion in 1974, 38 years of successive Turkish policy and interference has been disastrous for TCs but of great benefit for Turkish and foreign nationals.

Secondly, land in the north isn't notionally cheaper than the land in the south, it's under military occupation. So when making comparisons you should really assume how much the land would be worth post-settlement and the land under military occupation would be worth as much, if not more than land in the south.

[Lordo]

me ed

i am afraid you got this completely wrong. it is not the constitution that was rotten it was the gc leadership. now lets see what happened. we had elections within the constitution. the election was totally ignored and all the eoga members were put in as mps except the 5 akel men and i am not so sure they were not eoga.. all the ministers were eoga men. their mission was to demolish the constitution and the republic and then enosis. to this day if you cannot see that eitrher you are furkin blind or an elam boy. it really is not rocket science to see it.

this idea that it was not fair is bulshit and you know it. read the akritas plan where it says

Consequently our first aim has been to create the impression in the international field that the Cyprus problem has not been solved and that it has to be reviewed

if it was so why would they need to create an impression.

[Pyrpolizer]

There was a time we were discussing here based ON FACTS WITH EVIDENCE. During those times we had the names of each and every Kibrisli that had lost his life from 1960-1974. total 700 people.On average that's 50 per year LESS THAN THOSE KILLED IN ROAD ACCIDENTS.

And now Lordo tells me to ask each and every TC i see, if he lost a son!!! Chances are I will find 1 out of 160 who will say "yes i lost a son ".
We have also established that The number of GCs who were killed by TMT during those years was also about 700 people...
Unfortunately the only thing all those TC fanatics have learned during all these years was to repeat the POEMS that they were told to learn by heart, and play the poor victims as if they are ALL that specific poor person of the 1/160 ratio!!
So if only 1 out of 160 has ever lost a son, then what are those among the remaining 159 who claim the same? Simple:LIARS!

I wouldn't say all Kibrislis are liars but there is a noticeable percentage among them who are just fascinated by telling or repeating lies that they eventually come to believe are the truth. Like for example the fart that Lordo trhew above that the properties the Kibrislis left behind are more than what they stole from us.
Well, again, at the times when we were discussing here based on evidence, we have established that the properties the Kibrislis left behind are 1/5th area-wise compared to those that the Kypreoi have in the occupied, whereas their 1974 market values ONLY 1/20th

Do a little search Lordo fanatic you will find everything verified with hard documents in THIS VERY FORUM.