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[supporttheunderdog]

Stop making a fool of yourself woman and obey the invocation of the Greek Philosophers on women to keep quite!

You are showing yourself up to be even more racist by your crude characterisation of Iron Age Britsh Society, which reflect your bigotry, prejudice and above all ignorance.

Plato and Hippocrates were both dead before Pytheas made his trip, in about 325 BC.

Only the ignorant would seek to assert that long dead writers were influenced by a later (and evidently also) racist author.

Aristotle died in 322, so Aristotle was a close contemporary but I am not aware that Pytheas made trips to Egypt or Ethiopia or was the source of Aristotles' (or possible the Pseudo Aristotle's) remark, it was made by an Ancient Greek writer any way, that people with dark Skins, such as Ethiopians and Egyptians were naturally cowards - a racist generalisation based upon skin colour/ethnic origin.

[Paphitis]

Stop making a fool of yourself woman and obey the invocation of the Greek Philosophers on women to keep quiet!

I got to read more Greek Pheelosophy!

[GreekIslandGirl]

Silly-doggy-doo-doo! Don't exalt yourself by thinking your previous stupidities, peddling falsehoods and mass misapprehensions, deserved a dignified answer about cave-dwelling early-germanic-prettanians!

And as for women of Greece; it is they who were directly responsible for turning their husbands into philosophers! Or have you not yet managed to google Socrates?

[supporttheunderdog]

Silly-doggy-doo-doo! Don't exalt yourself by thinking your previous stupidities, peddling falsehoods and mass misapprehensions, deserved a dignified answer about cave-dwelling early-germanic-prettanians!

And as for women of Greece; it is they who were directly responsible for turning their husbands into philosophers! Or have you not yet managed to google Socrates?

I think your response proves everything I have said. You are not arguing at all rationally but have resorted to out and out abuse.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Silly-doggy-doo-doo! Don't exalt yourself by thinking your previous stupidities, peddling falsehoods and mass misapprehensions, deserved a dignified answer about cave-dwelling early-germanic-prettanians!

And as for women of Greece; it is they who were directly responsible for turning their husbands into philosophers! Or have you not yet managed to google Socrates?

I think your response proves everything I have said. You are not arguing at all rationally but have resorted to out and out abuse.

If that's what you believe "as proof", and cannot justify your lies untruths and racist-opinions, then stop trolling and writing anti-Greek-Cyprus propaganda and you shall have peace.

[Paphitis]

Stop making a fool of yourself woman and obey the invocation of the Greek Philosophers on women to keep quite!

You are showing yourself up to be even more racist by your crude characterisation of Iron Age Britsh Society, which reflect your bigotry, prejudice and above all ignorance.

Plato and Hippocrates were both dead before Pytheas made his trip, in about 325 BC.

Only the ignorant would seek to assert that long dead writers were influenced by a later (and evidently also) racist author.

Aristotle died in 322, so Aristotle was a close contemporary but I am not aware that Pytheas made trips to Egypt or Ethiopia or was the source of Aristotles' (or possible the Pseudo Aristotle's) remark, it was made by an Ancient Greek writer any way, that people with dark Skins, such as Ethiopians and Egyptians were naturally cowards - a racist generalisation based upon skin colour/ethnic origin.

Oracle lies a lot but in doing so relies on the ignorance of some of us who do not know as much than she does in regards to Greek Philosophy and History.

Deplorable behavior from her.

Thankfully, we have you STUD, to hold her accountable to the lies and misinformation she spreads and to stop her from pulling the wool over us innocent lambs.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Back to your list of lies since you don't like jokey answers ...

we can add to the list
(a) Racism (as preached by Hippocrates and Aristotle)
(b) Eugenic (as described by Plato)
(c) Imperialism (Aristotle and other poets)

No chance of gleaning any evidence for these (above) racist opinions of yours - so we can only fall back on the greatest of these evils, developed by the English and spread globally in the 20th century through the British Empire, thus influencing Hitler etc!

Eugenics, as a modern concept, was originally developed by Francis Galton.

In 1883, one year after Darwin's death, Galton gave his research a name, Eugenics.

As a social movement, eugenics reached its greatest popularity in the early decades of the 20th century.

The methods of implementing eugenics varied by country; however, some of the early 20th century methods were identifying and classifying individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals and entire racial groups — such as the Roma and Jews — as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalisation of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the case of Nazi Germany, their mass murder.

wiki

Some of the English Eugenics Elite who spread racism throughout the British Empire and influenced the 20th Century into backwardness on an unprecedented scale ...



"Eugenics is the study of the agencies under social control that may improve or impair the racial qualities of future generations either physically or mentally."
– Francis Galton (Founding Father)

"The way of nature has always been to slay the hindmost, and there is still no other way, unless we can prevent those who would become the hindmost being born. It is in the sterilization of failures, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."
- H. G. Wells

"Galton’s eccentric, sceptical, observing, flashing, cavalry-leader type of mind led him eventually to become the founder of the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists, namely eugenics."
-John Maynard Keynes. Eugenics Review. 1946

"Political unification in some sort of world government will be required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable."
- Sir Julian Huxley [Vice-President British Eugenics Society(1937–1944) and President (1959–1962)]

[Paphitis]

No chance of gleaning any evidence for these (above) racist opinions of yours - so we can only fall back on the greatest of these evils, developed by the English and spread globally in the 20th century through the British Empire, thus influencing Hitler etc!

If anyone missed the bullshit, here it is in all its glory!

[supporttheunderdog]

Back to your list of lies since you don't like jokey answers ...

we can add to the list
(a) Racism (as preached by Hippocrates and Aristotle)
(b) Eugenic (as described by Plato)
(c) Imperialism (Aristotle and other poets)

No chance of gleaning any evidence for these (above) racist opinions of yours - so we can only fall back on the greatest of these evils, developed by the English and spread globally in the 20th century through the British Empire, thus influencing Hitler etc!

Eugenics, as a modern concept, was originally developed by Francis Galton.

In 1883, one year after Darwin's death, Galton gave his research a name, Eugenics.

As a social movement, eugenics reached its greatest popularity in the early decades of the 20th century.

The methods of implementing eugenics varied by country; however, some of the early 20th century methods were identifying and classifying individuals and their families, including the poor, mentally ill, blind, deaf, developmentally disabled, promiscuous women, homosexuals and entire racial groups — such as the Roma and Jews — as "degenerate" or "unfit"; the segregation or institutionalisation of such individuals and groups, their sterilization, euthanasia, and in the case of Nazi Germany, their mass murder.

wiki

Some of the English Eugenics Elite who spread racism throughout the British Empire and influenced the 20th Century into backwardness on an unprecedented scale ...



"Eugenics is the study of the agencies under social control that may improve or impair the racial qualities of future generations either physically or mentally."
– Francis Galton (Founding Father)

"The way of nature has always been to slay the hindmost, and there is still no other way, unless we can prevent those who would become the hindmost being born. It is in the sterilization of failures, and not in the selection of successes for breeding, that the possibility of an improvement of the human stock lies."
- H. G. Wells

"Galton’s eccentric, sceptical, observing, flashing, cavalry-leader type of mind led him eventually to become the founder of the most important, significant and, I would add, genuine branch of sociology which exists, namely eugenics."
-John Maynard Keynes. Eugenics Review. 1946

"Political unification in some sort of world government will be required… Even though… any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable."
- Sir Julian Huxley [Vice-President British Eugenics Society(1937–1944) and President (1959–1962)]

Obviously you have chosen to ignore my full reply on the Curse of racism thread.

As I said then, Eugenics was an ancient Greek Invention. See the laws of Perciles of about 450BC which only permitted marriage between Athenian Citizens and the legitimate daughters of Athenina Citizens (women of course were not citizens) I understand that on occasions Athenians had to claim their Eugania, or noble birth through haveing two fully Athenian parents, to allow them to exercise their rights of Citizenship and E.g. hold office.

The word itself predates Galtons' use: it was used for example as name - e.g. Empress Eugenie of France, born and named long before Galton adopted the word.

State Control of marriage for essentially Eugenics purposes was in fact something commended by Plato in “the Republic”, which went further than simply promoting the purity of the bloodline by marriage between citizens (and that is quite a Nazi policy in its own right) but wanted to improve the stock.

.... holy marriage festivals will be instituted, and their holiness will be in proportion to their usefulness. And here, Glaucon, I should like to ask (as I know that you are a breeder of birds and animals), Do you not take the greatest care in the mating? ’Certainly.’ And there is no reason to suppose that less care is required in the marriage of human beings. But then our rulers must be skilful physicians of the State, for they will often need a strong dose of falsehood in order to bring about desirable unions between their subjects. The good must be paired with the good, and the bad with the bad, and the offspring of the one must be reared, and of the other destroyed; in this way the flock will be preserved in prime condition. Hymeneal festivals will be celebrated at times fixed with an eye to population, and the brides and bridegrooms will meet at them;and by an ingenious system of lots the rulers will contrive that the brave and the fair come together, and that those of inferior breed are paired with inferiors– the latter will ascribe to chance what is really the invention of the rulers. And when children are born, the offspring of the brave and fair will be carried to an enclosure in a certain part of the city, and there attended by suitable nurses; the rest will be hurried away to places unknown

If that is not an ancient Greek exposition of Eugenics I do not know what is: it corresponds to what initially motivated Galton’s thinking i.e. Animal stock breeding applied to Humanity, and indeed under state control.

What therefore is the lie in claiming Galton's ideas had a Greek Antecedent?

I have never suggested Sterilisation of any one (though I think there was a thread open to misinterpretation as to whether you meant sterlisation of the hands against bacterial infection on sterilisation of the Turkish Cypriots, where will give you the benefit of the doubt.)

Otherwise I can (indeed already have) provided quotes from Ancient Greek sources otherwise covering racism i.e. Aristotle and Hippocrates, and Imperialism, through the (alleged) inate superiorty of the Hellenes to Rule Barbarians (quoted from Aristotles' Politics) to illustrate the other two points.

[kurupetos]