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[zan]

Birkibrisli

There you go again. Your self-loathing is crippling. You start off making sense and then load the whole blame on the North. What I suggest you do is start scanning the GC forums on the net and see and read in their columns how much corruption is coming your way from the south.

I am not absolving the TC north of corruption. I saw lots of it from the police to the gangsters and believe me they are in my sights. Your solution seems to be that when unification happens it will all go away. I think as a self confessed optimist you hope it will go away.

What do you say when the shout goes up for;
Cyprus is Greek we have been here for 3500 years!
Turks are Mongolian interbred scum!
We want our land back and sod the rest!
Share power with the TCs? OXI!

What will you say IF just IF the official language for Cyprus is Greek and your children have to only learn Greek history as they are doing in the south now?

Lay down, while they are tickling your belly there is world going on that you refuse to look at because you are afraid of what you might see. Optimism and good will are fine only when you are fully informed.

[Nicko]

I thought the TC'S originated from Gypsies? is this true?

[cypezokyli]

I cant believe people are condemning Matsakis...especially some Greek Cypriots....you should be ashamed....you are true SELL OUTS.

thank you for your compliment

matsakis has been stealing precious antiquities (our history), but as usual throwing some patriotic b**ls**t makes him innocent. if pittokopitis realised... what more is there to say?

nobody supports the tc action on the buffer zone. but matsakis action is not going to solve the problem. but for sure he gave everybody a good laugh.

[Alexios]

I thought the TC'S originated from Gypsies? is this true?

You know very well its not true.Sirnis ofkera ne piasis yiemata..)

[cypezokyli]

I am not absolving the TC north of corruption. I saw lots of it from the police to the gangsters and believe me they are in my sights. Your solution seems to be that when unification happens it will all go away. I think as a self confessed optimist you hope it will go away.

What do you say when the shout goes up for;
Cyprus is Greek we have been here for 3500 years!
Turks are Mongolian interbred scum!
We want our land back and sod the rest!
Share power with the TCs? OXI!

corruption will not go away just by finding a solution to the cyprus problem.
even though i cant get the link between corruption and some nationalistic synthems from our side.
such kind of nationalism exist unfortunately in both sides but i guess it is in our hand to change it. (even though i dont think its nice to accuse anyone, gc or tc who wants to return back to his home)

What will you say IF just IF the official language for Cyprus is Greek and your children have to only learn Greek history as they are doing in the south now?

come on zan. we did many stupid things in the past but in case of a solution that will not happen. why is everyone having such theories in his head? some others believe that turkeys real aim is to make the gcs a minority in the island.

give optimism a chance my friend. it depends on us if it will work or not. with a little optimism we can at least try. being pessimistic will just lead us nowhere.

[BirKibrisli]

Birkibrisli

There you go again. Your self-loathing is crippling. You start off making sense and then load the whole blame on the North. What I suggest you do is start scanning the GC forums on the net and see and read in their columns how much corruption is coming your way from the south.

I am not absolving the TC north of corruption. I saw lots of it from the police to the gangsters and believe me they are in my sights. Your solution seems to be that when unification happens it will all go away. I think as a self confessed optimist you hope it will go away.

What do you say when the shout goes up for;
Cyprus is Greek we have been here for 3500 years!
Turks are Mongolian interbred scum!
We want our land back and sod the rest!
Share power with the TCs? OXI!

What will you say IF just IF the official language for Cyprus is Greek and your children have to only learn Greek history as they are doing in the south now?

Lay down, while they are tickling your belly there is world going on that you refuse to look at because you are afraid of what you might see. Optimism and good will are fine only when you are fully informed.

You know very well what I would say if the shout goes up about those things you listed.But can we really afford to be pessimistic?Where will it get us if we don't start putting our faith in each other?Where we are now and even worse. The marathon starts with one little step.I am willing to take it.If I don't get to finish the race,it won't be for lack of trying.
It is not upto me to rub the corruption in the South in people's faces.I don't know enough about it.That doesn't mean I should stop talking about the corruption and moral bankruptcy in the North.I know something about that.You will probably argue that it gives comfort to the "enemy".But I don't see GCs as my enemy.They are my compatriots.Hundreds of thousands of them have suffered as much or even more than what I suffered.I feel for them and i want their suffering to end.I despise those who profit from other peoples' misery.Is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

[ELLAS H TEFRA!]

"Give optimism a chance..."

[Piratis]

What will you say IF just IF the official language for Cyprus is Greek and your children have to only learn Greek history as they are doing in the south now?

Zan, Turkish as an official language is already part of the RoC constitution which can not change unless TCs agree.

You can have as many "IF just IF" you want. However nothing can excuse the illegalities that are supported by Turkey and the majority of TCs. Otherwise I could come and kill you and then as an excuse say "what IF just IF Zan was becoming a serial killer and killed us all". So please stop with the lame excuses. Nothing can excuse the ilelgal occupation of Cyprus by Turkey. (which is why it is illegal)

As far as corruption goes, that has very little to do with the Cyprus problem. I don't see any reason for mixing the two problems.

[zan]

I have to start off by apologising to you all for not making my self clear. I have nothing against any of your GC friends or indeed any one that does not wish me harm. My best friends at school were 2 GCs and an Armenian from Istanbul and then there was me a TC. Our greater circle of friends was more GCs and a TC, an African, Jamaican, a few English, a Turk from Turkey and a Pakistani. We also had a racist half German/English who absolutely hated blacks and religion. He is know a born again Christian who is married to an African woman and, a complete loony. The Turk from Turkey is living with a Greek woman twice his age and has found Jesus and hard drugs in equal quantities. The TC and one of the well-off GCs are both dead from drug overdoses. The rest of us never ever did hard drugs.

The reason I am telling you all this is so that you realise that I have had friends from most parts of the world. My one GC friend, who I still see, has fought by my side and still will. He and others like him are not who I am talking about. It is the Matsakis of this world that worry me. It is the parents of one of my GC friends that never spoke to me and hated the TCs, and that was before 1974. It is the people that choose to give medals to EOKA terrorist. It is the people that play politics with our lives. It is the criminals that are backing some of these politicians. It is the people that refuse to go forward from today and except the changes that have happened because of previous mistakes and are willing to uproot thousands of people. Uproot them and move them on, in a similar fashion to the death marches of old. It is the military that bosses people about because it can and allows a corrupt government to make money through gambling, and many more.

What do you say to people that say stupid things like Turks are really Gypsies and people like Alexios that go off and talk in Greek so you cannot understand and people like Raffaella who is an in your face racist……….You say……….UP YOURS.

Birkibrisli mentioned running a marathon one step at a time. The last marathon that was run in England, several people died. The reason was; they did not prepare properly. I bet they are not sitting on a cloud saying “well, at least we tried”!!!!!!!

[BirKibrisli]

Zan,thanks for that piece of self-expose,it is much appreciated.It is good we know where people are coming from,because that's what makes us tick.You've had some good and some bad experiences with Greeks and GCs,and that has coloured your attitute.I had nothing but positive experiences with Greeks and GCs in Australia,thankfully.Listen to this:I was 17 when I came to Australia,without my mother before 1974.Like a good TC boy,I was totally helpless regarding domestic matters.A cousin of ours who had come here in early 50s found me and my father a garden flat with...wait for it a Greek family from Greece.I remember that first night I couldn't sleep.I was afraid the Greeks might come and kill me in my sleep and drink my blood.They were the enemy we had escaped from in Cyprus,here they were having keys to our flat.To cut a long story short,that Greek woman became a second mother to me,teaching me how to shop,how to cook,how to mend my clothes,and how to ease the pain of being away from my mother for 2 years.We never lost touch and she never stopped calling me "my son" till she died a few years ago.I was devastated when she died.At her funeral her family had to console me!That experience made me see Greeks and GCs as human beings above all.That is why I am prepared to put my faith in them,knowing well that I might get a few kicks along the way.My belief is that we have no other choice if we want to take our destiny in our own hands.By hook or by crook we must learn to go beyond our ethnic identities and embrace each other as Cypriots.Some of us from both sides will get burnt in the process,but the rewards will make it worth while in the end.