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[bg_turk]

...that's why we keep a tight lid on our Azerbaijanis in Iran...give them an inch, they'll take a mile...

But your supreme religious leader, the aytollah, is an Azeri, isn't he?

Whatever decisions you make, make sure they are wise ones...these people don't know when to stop...even with their conquests there was no stopping them, since they are born to sack and conquer...that's all they know.

I am sure Greeks will truely appreciate your advice. You forgot to mention that the blood that runs in our vein is truely mongolic and barbaric blood, boiling with an innate hatred and anger that forces us to hate civilizations and I always want to sack and conquer.

Come to think about it, maybe I should go and sack the local WAWA for a sandwich, cause I am getting hungry,

[Ozan]

I cant understand how wrong and immoral allot of the comments I've read are. Do all Greeks genuinely think that they were the only innocent people from the war (or known to the Greeks as "The Turkish Invasion")? and do they also believe that they were the only ones to be barbarically killed or removed from their Land?

What happened a few hundred years ago HAPPENED! and what happened in the 60's also happened and was bound to happen! If you say that you were there first then fine! and if you didn't want us there in the first place then you should have stopped us THEN! but you couldn't and you didn't!! I don't exactly agree with war and violence - however they do happen. If everyone was to give back land then the Greeks would have to leave Cyprus too - you may have been there b4 the Turks but you were definitely not the first people in Cyprus. So don't be so hopeful and actually think your winging will get you anywhere or anything!

[Piratis]

Ozan, the problem is what is happening NOW, and what is happening now is an illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

There can be NO excuse for this.

Unfortunately some TCs and Turks, in order to excuse the inexcusable they start the lame and untrue excuses of the kind: "you started it" etc. When they do that, then of course we have to remind them that during most part of our history, including the most recent 32 years, they are the ones who commit crimes against us.

Therefore the TCs should stop pretending that they are the innocent victims that now have to be rewarded by being awarded the land stolen from GCs by Turkey.

Therefore everybody should get what legally belongs them and the crimes and illegalities should finally stop.

[Viewpoint]

Ozan, the problem is what is happening NOW, and what is happening now is an illegal Turkish occupation of 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

There can be NO excuse for this.

Unfortunately some TCs and Turks, in order to excuse the inexcusable they start the lame and untrue excuses of the kind: "you started it" etc. When they do that, then of course we have to remind them that during most part of our history, including the most recent 32 years, they are the ones who commit crimes against us.

Therefore the TCs should stop pretending that they are the innocent victims that now have to be rewarded by being awarded the land stolen from GCs by Turkey.

Therefore everybody should get what legally belongs them and the crimes and illegalities should finally stop.

Without solving why we are in this mess in the first place, great logic Piratis what are you on? I need me some of that

[Piratis]

Without solving why we are in this mess in the first place

In the first place the Ottoman Turks invaded Cyprus and then oppressed us for 300 years. Many things followed after that, but what never changed was your aggressive attitude. You continue in the same way until today.

So how do you propose to solve what happened in the first place? To send you from were you came from?

I don't think thats right. I say lets leave the past behind and finally have democracy, legality and human rights for all Cypriots. We had enough of excuses as to why illegalities and crimes should continue.

[Viewpoint]

Without solving why we are in this mess in the first place

In the first place the Ottoman Turks invaded Cyprus and then oppressed us for 300 years. Many things followed after that, but what never changed was your aggressive attitude. You continue in the same way until today.

So how do you propose to solve what happened in the first place? To send you from were you came from?

I don't think thats right. I say lets leave the past behind and finally have democracy, legality and human rights for all Cypriots. We had enough of excuses as to why illegalities and crimes should continue.

You seem to conveniently forget that only in 1960 did we finally have the opportunity to build a united Cyprus for all Cypriots, before that you were always ruled by others. It is from this point forward that you should have wanted democracy and human rights for all but unfortunately you had hidden agendas which stoked our counter argument for division. The rest is history.

The fact that you now want to impose the 1960 agreements on the TC community is very questionable as it was your community that was against them and you still to this day see them as being unfair and forced upon your people. Well to change this situation and for us to feel more secure in uniting with your side we need a new road map to where we all want to get to.

This is the key and what has been eluding us for the last 32 years, it has nothing to do with the people but the politics of the big players, you together with us are just very small players whose opinions and decision can be crushed for the benefit of the larger players. This division will continue for many years to come as the big players are not yet ready to resolve shit, a lot of talk with absolutely no results once you come to terms with this reality you will live your life accordingly.

The losers will always be the "Cypriot" people.

[Piratis]

You seem to conveniently forget that only in 1960 did we finally have the opportunity to build a united Cyprus for all Cypriots, before that you were always ruled by others.

Cyprus was always united, and you seem to conveniently forget that for 300 years you were the ones who didn't allow Cypriots to rule themselves.

It is from this point forward that you should have wanted democracy and human rights for all

Sure, while you were ruling Cyprus we were not even allowed to want democracy and human rights, otherwise you would cut our heads off.

but unfortunately you had hidden agendas which stoked our counter argument for division. The rest is history.

We had no agenda that was contrary to human rights and democracy. On the contrary we wanted improve them. EOKA B that you talk about did not represent GCs, it was a small minority of extremists, just like TMT. Unfortunately you seem to be one of those extremists since even until today you support the actions and the aims of that terrorist organization.

The fact that you now want to impose the 1960 agreements on the TC community is very questionable as it was your community that was against them and you still to this day see them as being unfair and forced upon your people.

1960 agreements was a huge compromise for our side, and yes they were unfair, and yes we made proposals for some changes as we had and have every right to do so. How does that give you the right to act illegally and violate our human rights and the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus?

Well to change this situation and for us to feel more secure in uniting with your side we need a new road map to where we all want to get to.

Were you want to get to is partition, something which is illegal and totally unacceptable. Therefore there can be no "road map" that will lead to the legalization of your illegalities against us.

The road map of RoC includes actions that will help the liberation of RoC from the foreign occupation once the circumstances will allow it.

This is the key and what has been eluding us for the last 32 years, it has nothing to do with the people but the politics of the big players, you together with us are just very small players whose opinions and decision can be crushed for the benefit of the larger players. This division will continue for many years to come as the big players are not yet ready to resolve shit, a lot of talk with absolutely no results once you come to terms with this reality you will live your life accordingly.

We came to terms with the reality about the big players long time ago. This doesn't mean we will give up our land. We do the best we can, and we will be ready to return to our homelands for when these realities will change, either this will be in 5 years or in 50.

The losers will always be the "Cypriot" people.

This could change if all of us could agree that Cyprus should stop playing the games of the "big players" and agree on a solution that would implement democracy and human rights for all, without racist discriminations.
Unfortunately you hope to win on our loss because Turkey promises you that you can keep for yourselves the part that is under illegal occupation. However they are feeding you crap and you don't realize it. Thats why along with us, you lose as well.

[Ozan]

Piratis - PLEASE!!!

You told me to forget the past and look at whats happening now, which is an illegal occupation of 1/3 of Cyprus by Turks. But we can't forget the past. It is quite obvious that from many of your statements you have contradicted what you told me. I also note that you have allot of hatred toward the Turkish people from events that happened in the Past. You talk about 300 years of oppression and chopping heads off. If we were so, you would all be talking Turkish by now. Turks aren't so barbaric Piratis, they respected your culture and traditions when they ruled you.

You are talking nothing more than Revenge - which has everything to do with the past. However, if you want to talk about now lets. At the current moment there is 600,000 Cypriot Greeks and 200,000 Cypriot Turks in Cyprus. Both have been there for Hundreds of years. Due to complications both keep to their sides. And the ones open minded enough venture into each others with Respect. Now, do you honestly think any one of those sides will stand and leave just because the other side sais they shouldn't be there due to events that happened so long ago?? No really now Piratis do you actually think that?

[Piratis]

But we can't forget the past.

Of course you can. In fact you forget 99% of our past. You only remember what suits you in order to excuse yet more illegalities and crimes against us.

I also note that you have allot of hatred toward the Turkish people from events that happened in the Past. You talk about 300 years of oppression and chopping heads off.

I talk about facts, to remind you what you forget: That GCs are not the aggressors and you the victims as you want to believe. Where did you see the hatred? On the contrary I said we should leave the past behind and move ahead with democracy and human rights for all, but your reply was " we can't forget the past". If there is one who has hatred because of past events it is you, not me.

If we were so, you would all be talking Turkish by now. Turks aren't so barbaric Piratis, they respected your culture and traditions when they ruled you.

Are you serious?????? Would you accept the same kind of "respect" if it was directed against you?

You are talking nothing more than Revenge

Where?
What I am talking about is an end to the illegalities you force in Cyprus.

At the current moment there is 600,000 Cypriot Greeks and 200,000 Cypriot Turks in Cyprus. Both have been there for Hundreds of years. Due to complications both keep to their sides.

Since when the northern part of our country that we have a history of 3500 years is "your side"? You illegally occupy it, yes. Exclusively yours? NO. In fact northern Cyprus is the homeland of 4 times more Greek Cypriots than Turkish Cypriots.

Now, do you honestly think any one of those sides will stand and leave just because the other side sais they shouldn't be there due to events that happened so long ago?? No really now Piratis do you actually think that?

I didn't ask from TCs to leave from Cyprus my friend. Please stop imagining things. What I ask is for the illegal occupation to end so GCs, TCs and all other Cypriots can live in peace on their island with democracy and human rights.

Of course I know that since TCs are made to believe that they can gain on our loss that many of them will not accept this just because it is the right thing to do. However keep in mind that you will not always be able to force illegalities and crimes because it suits you that way.

[Piratis]

P.S Where did you find the 200.000 TCs? Do you include the Turkish settlers in that number?