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Turkey - Preparing for Chaos

Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:06 am

Yes, it looks like Turkey could be heading for protests, violence between Kurds and Turks, chaos and even partition. We can only hope...


Preparations for chaos

There are scenarios being drawn up with the goal of creating chaos in the country.

First, I must note that I don't think the Gezi Park protests were part of an international conspiracy against Turkey. Yet the government handled them so poorly that some powers that are willing to devise plots against Turkey then discovered Turkey's soft underbelly.

Those powers will try to trigger Gezi-like incidents in autumn to make Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan make certain concessions.

Unfortunately, various associations are working like beavers to train people to this end. They particularly target Alevis and Kurdistan Workers' Party's (PKK) supporters. In the past, the pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party's (BDP) academies provided training on certain non-violent acts and this training was investigated in the course of trials concerning the Kurdish Communities Union (KCK). Currently, certain additional associations are busy training people on how to hold non-violent protests. There are clear intelligence reports about these training sessions. For instance, the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) recently said to its relevant units that some groups are planning to launch Gezi-like protests in the autumn and trigger chaos in the country.

More importantly, the PKK will take action in the autumn and a big serhildan (revolt in Kurdish) is likely to occur in the Southeast. PKK circles are of the opinion that the international system is unhappy with Erdoğan and has decided to depose him. Therefore, they seek to obtain as many concessions as possible before he is finished off.

As Erdoğan moves closer to the PKK, the PKK circles sees this as a sign of panic and they are trying to get more from Erdoğan, reasoning, "Erdoğan is obliged to cooperate with us as he knows he will be overthrown soon." For the PKK, the invitation of Democratic Union Party (PYD) leader Saleh Muslim to Turkey and Beşir Atalay's assurance that Turkey will stick to the settlement deal are proof of this.

For this reason, the PYD leader continued to hurl accusations at Turkey after he left the country and PKK leaders also threatened Turkey by referring to specific dates.

Those who forced Erdoğan onto this path tell him, "There is no turning back from this and we have to do this," and give the green light to every demand from the PKK.

It is said that each step taken in this process plays into hands of PKK leader Abdullah Öcalan and it reinforces the PKK while weakening the state and pushing Erdoğan further out onto the ledge. The plan that is to be implemented in the autumn is designed to push him off the ledge completely.

Some of the people who are close to Erdoğan and who are trusted by him also play a role in this conspiracy. He will not acknowledge this, but we will see this clearly in coming days.

The intelligence reports indicate that there are hectic preparations being made to spark clashes between Turks and Kurds in Erzurum and Trabzon in the fall. Certain groups are very busy paving the way for such clashes.

This is part of the scenario to partition Turkey. Just as happened during the pogrom of Sept. 6-7, 1955, people living Turkish and Kurdish neighborhoods will be pitted against each other. Then, they plan to trigger countrywide clashes between Kurds and Turks.

Worse still, Ankara lacks the wisdom to prevent this and is acting arrogantly. Currently, Ankara is obsessed with self-created imaginary enemies.

They say, "Let us come together and support Erdoğan in the face of chaos scenarios." Unfortunately, the greatest obstacle to the solution is the interest network that has surrounded Erdoğan.

So you'd better buckle up, prepare for a collision and start to pray, as only God can save us.



http://www.todayszaman.com/columnist-32 ... chaos.html
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Re: Turkey - Preparing for Chaos

Postby B25 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:14 am

I don't know, I'd like to think this is true, but seems a bit far fetched, to announce these things things so far ahead. Only time will tell. It's a shame that so many will have to get killed or injured for something that is inevitable will happen. But Erdo only responds to violence, then so be it. Up the PKK.

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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:32 am

It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United. None of these protests were about Turkey's atrocities abroad. Have never read a remark by any Turk that cares that Turkey occupies Cyprus. Have only heard them rant as if all Cyprus belongs to them - even the happy-hippy types.

I'm afraid Turkey's here to stay, for good or bad. If anything was going to happen, we would have seen more, by now, than just the fizzing out of contained protests.

Problem for us is that Turkey is now stronger than ever. They know they can survive the bad publicity of brutality on display ..... again!
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Re: Turkey - Preparing for Chaos

Postby kimon07 » Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:12 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United..................


I fully agree with you. It is also a message to the military now that their former top brass were sent to jail, of what might happen if they were to move against the government and destabilize the country.
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Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:33 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United.


Are you serious? You think the Kurds are going to hold back because a newspaper columnist is saying that Turkish unity is at stake? I don't think so. This is the Kurds best opportunity in decades to achieve their aims. Why would they give a damn about 'behaving in a manner that is good for Turkey'? Strangest thing I've heard in ages. :roll:
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Re: Turkey - Preparing for Chaos

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:38 pm

Demonax wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United.


Are you serious? You think the Kurds are going to hold back because a newspaper columnist is saying that Turkish unity is at stake? I don't think so. This is the Kurds best opportunity in decades to achieve their aims. Why would they give a damn about 'behaving in a manner that is good for Turkey'? Strangest thing I've heard in ages. :roll:


There are still 50 Million Turks they are trying to unite behind the country. The Kurds don't have a voice, apart from PKK (previously) - they were strangely even quieter during these protests which were conducted mostly by disenchanted Turks (but not so discontent with Turkey's foreign policy of occupation and colonisation). Why didn't the Kurds strike a month or so ago when there was chaos?
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Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:53 pm

kimon07 wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United..................


I fully agree with you. It is also a message to the military now that their former top brass were sent to jail, of what might happen if they were to move against the government and destabilize the country.


Kimon, I don't think the Turkish military will intervene. But I do think things will deteriorate in Turkey. The Syria mess has come back to haunt them. They've got Al Qaeda groups on the Turkish border which they've been funding. Think Afghanistan on the Turkish border!

Meanwhile the Syrian Kurds are close to setting up an autonomous region also on the Turkish border. This will embolden the Kurds in Turkey. The 'peace deal' with the Kurds in Turkey is already unravelling.

And the Gezi protests haven't gone away. Students return to the universities in Autumn. The combination of Kurdish and domestic unrest will happen. It doesn't need a conspiracist to tell you that.

As for Cyprus, we should be ready for all eventualities. Gul is talking about rebooting Turkey's EU accession because the whole neo-Ottoman strategy of Davutoglu and Erdogan has been a disaster. Let's hope Turkey sees sense. If not, let's just sit back and enjoy the spectacle...
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Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:13 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Demonax wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United.


Are you serious? You think the Kurds are going to hold back because a newspaper columnist is saying that Turkish unity is at stake? I don't think so. This is the Kurds best opportunity in decades to achieve their aims. Why would they give a damn about 'behaving in a manner that is good for Turkey'? Strangest thing I've heard in ages. :roll:


There are still 50 Million Turks they are trying to unite behind the country. The Kurds don't have a voice, apart from PKK (previously) - they were strangely even quieter during these protests which were conducted mostly by disenchanted Turks (but not so discontent with Turkey's foreign policy of occupation and colonisation). Why didn't the Kurds strike a month or so ago when there was chaos?


The Kurds have the PKK and its political wing in the South East. They have the PYD in Syria which is on the verge of establishing autonomy. They have their own government in Iraq. Everything is falling into place for them.

As for why Kurds didn't revolt during the Gezi protests. Have you missed the peace talks between Kurds and the AKP which were taking place at the time? Do you think it would have made sense to send their people on to the streets when Turkey was making concessions to the PKK? And the PKK were committing to withdrawing their fighters?

That deal has now unravelled because Turkey has reneged on its commitments. The Kurds need to play their hand carefully. They are not going to get a chance to pressure the Turks like this again.
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Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:18 pm

Demonax wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
Demonax wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:It's an act of unity. This is Turkey's way of suggestively worrying people they will lose Turkey if they carry on like this and they must go back to behaving in a manner good for Turkey. United.


Are you serious? You think the Kurds are going to hold back because a newspaper columnist is saying that Turkish unity is at stake? I don't think so. This is the Kurds best opportunity in decades to achieve their aims. Why would they give a damn about 'behaving in a manner that is good for Turkey'? Strangest thing I've heard in ages. :roll:


There are still 50 Million Turks they are trying to unite behind the country. The Kurds don't have a voice, apart from PKK (previously) - they were strangely even quieter during these protests which were conducted mostly by disenchanted Turks (but not so discontent with Turkey's foreign policy of occupation and colonisation). Why didn't the Kurds strike a month or so ago when there was chaos?


The Kurds have the PKK and its political wing in the South East. They have the PYD in Syria which is on the verge of establishing autonomy. They have their own government in Iraq. Everything is falling into place for them.

As for why Kurds didn't revolt during the Gezi protests. Have you missed the peace talks between Kurds and the AKP which were taking place at the time? Do you think it would have made sense to send their people on to the streets when Turkey was making concessions to the PKK? And the PKK were committing to withdrawing their fighters?

That deal has now unravelled because Turkey has reneged on its commitments. The Kurds need to play their hand carefully. They are not going to get a chance to pressure the Turks like this again.


As I said, the Kurds were conveniently, strategically, silenced during the chaos. And then Turkey (predictably) reneges on commitments and bingo - the Kurds have missed the boat! Full marks to Turkey for achievement (zero for methods and aims).
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Postby Demonax » Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:28 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
As I said, the Kurds were conveniently, strategically, silenced during the chaos. And then Turkey (predictably) reneges on commitments and bingo - the Kurds have missed the boat! Full marks to Turkey for achievement (zero for methods and aims).


You sound like Viewpoint at times. You really are so in awe of Turkey it borders on hero worship. You think they are brilliant strategists and arch manipulators who turn every setback to their advantage. Maybe you could find work in their Ministry of Propaganda?

If you had any knowledge of what is going on in Kurdish-Turkey affairs you wouldn’t assume that Gezi Park was a missed opportunity' for Kurds. Kurds aren't as stupid or opportunistic as that. Kurds know that they have a good hand right now and know better than to throw it away on the back of a protest that has nothing to do with them.
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