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[GreekIslandGirl]

Same old same old. Self-evaluated truth whilst you reside in stolen territory - meaningless morals. Jumping into discussions with others and lifting things out of context just to find some feeble excuse to continue posting your biased anti-Cypriot propaganda.

The comment (as you well know, but ignored so that you can continue an excuse to post your anti-Cypriot stuff) on foreign influence was regarding the lists posted by previous posters - before you trolled your way back.

[Paphitis]

Mr, Phafitis,
You got me there! Who is this page 3 girl? I am sorry I do not know what you mean. My "peasantry mentality" is still on page one. Help me to understand you.
If you do not respond in a language I can understand do not bother.

I can't help you there Mr. Subaltern.

You're just gonna have to go to Norf London for an edumucation!

[erolz66]

The comment (as you well know, but ignored so that you can continue an excuse to post your anti-Cypriot stuff) on foreign influence was regarding the lists posted by previous posters - before you trolled your way back.

Bullshit.

Your claim that

"The RoC has been doing a brilliant job criminalizing this practice...."

Was not about 'lists posted by previous posters'. It was just made up bullshit by you to serve you propaganda needs, unsupported by any evidence what so ever and in clear and direct contradiction to the report by REAL experts, who have been systematically monitoring the situation using proven methods for more than 10 years now and who are, despite your BS propaganda, not 'foreigners' with a secret agenda of vilifying Cyprus and Cypriots under the guise of conservation, as you would try and have us believe, but actually are Cypriots who genuinely have respect for conservation in Cyprus and concern about this issue. In comparison with you, an anonymous no mark poster here, who has repeatedly shown their total ignorance about the subject and a ready willingness to make up unsupportable bullshit claims to serve their propaganda needs. Between you and the Birdlife Cyprus I know which I consider to be the more credible.

Just as you claim that

From my own observations and inquiries; such a habit is no longer practiced in normal circles and is not supported by even the most stuck-in-the past peasants of Paphos. Even when it was practiced, it never posed the dangers to extinction we are told exist.

Is also just made up bullshit by you to serve you propaganda needs, unsupported by any evidence what so ever and in clear and direct contradiction to the report by REAL experts, who have been systematically monitoring the situation using proven methods for more than 10 years now and who are, despite your BS propaganda, not 'foreigners' with a secret agenda of vilifying Cyprus and Cypriots under the guise of conservation, as you would try and have us believe, but actually are Cypriots who genuinely have respect for conservation in Cyprus and concern about this issue. In comparison with you, an anonymous no mark poster here, who has repeatedly shown their total ignorance about the subject and a ready willingness to make up unsupportable bullshit claims to serve their propaganda needs. Between you and the Birdlife Cyprus I know which I consider to be the more credible.

You are and always have been an enemy of truth GiG. The evidence of this is legion and consistent over years and years and years of your posting here.

[miltiades]

The irrefutable virtues and inspirational way we in Cyprus take care of our old folk, the almost absence of child molestation, our family ties, self respect and integrity far outweight, in my opinion, certain attitudes towards animals, birds and other living things.

In an ideal world utopia does not exist. Cyprus offers its people many benefits deficient in more advanced nations.

GIG has to appreciate however that when one is critical of certain "cultural" phenomenons in Cyprus, one is most deffinately not attacking Cyprus.

[GreekIslandGirl]

What exactly are you, Milty, and erolz attacking here? The RoC? Or Cypriot people in a racist manner? Saying it's for 'truth' doesn't cut it with me. You and he are NOT intelligent enough to know what constitutes truth from within your preferred opinions!

The RoC is as up-to-date with legislation as all the most advanced and civilised nations in the whole world and especially within the EU. It's doing as much as any other country!

Erolz just wants to attack anyone who supports the RoC because he probably wants to see complete Turkish rule over the whole island (since he sounds sooooooo happy under the present Turkish occupation). But why are you attacking the RoC or Cypriots in a racist manner? Cultural practices are stinky in many places - but they are changing as they are too in Cyprus - and it has nothing to do with you making racist comments but the fact that our younger generation is now one of the most highly educated in Europe.

Prosecutions and persecution of people who trap birds is carried out by the RoC. The recent case in the British Bases is a case in point. It is the RoC which cracked down on the Bases failing to monitor - it was not some supposed charity spreading racist anti- Cypriot slurs. One of these charities even had the audacity to cite a schoolkid as rubbing his tummy when 'ampelopoulia' was mentioned as some sort of evidence this practice continues. If a British kid rubbed his tummy when veal is mentioned, would there be the same anti-Brit racist evaluation on attitudes? I think not! Unprofessional idiots is what comes to mind when I read some of their stuff!

[Paphitis]

What exactly are you, Milty, and erolz attacking here? The RoC? Or Cypriot people in a racist manner? Saying it's for 'truth' doesn't cut it with me. You and he are NOT intelligent enough to know what constitutes truth from within your preferred opinions!

The RoC is as up-to-date with legislation as all the most advanced and civilised nations in the whole world and especially within the EU. It's doing as much as any other country!

Erolz just wants to attack anyone who supports the RoC because he probably wants to see complete Turkish rule over the whole island (since he sounds sooooooo happy under the present Turkish occupation). But why are you attacking the RoC or Cypriots in a racist manner? Cultural practices are stinky in many places - but they are changing as they are too in Cyprus - and it has nothing to do with you making racist comments but the fact that our younger generation is now one of the most highly educated in Europe.

Prosecutions and persecution of people who trap birds is carried out by the RoC. The recent case in the British Bases is a case in point. It is the RoC which cracked down on the Bases failing to monitor - it was not some supposed charity spreading racist anti- Cypriot slurs. One of these charities even had the audacity to cite a schoolkid as rubbing his tummy when 'ampelopoulia' was mentioned as some sort of evidence this practice continues. If a British kid rubbed his tummy when veal is mentioned, would there be the same anti-Brit racist evaluation on attitudes? I think not! Unprofessional idiots is what comes to mind when I read some of their stuff!

Yes the RoC is an advance country and an advance developed economy as is Japan. But Japan is also responsible for Whaling and fishing of the expensive and protected Pantagonian Tooth Fish. Russia too. It's the same thing exactly, however I rate Japan's and Russia's illegal fishing as far worse than Bird Trapping in Cyprus, whilst Milti and Erolz might consider Bird Trapping as worse because they actually live in Cyprus and are afraid that these bird species will eventually be depleted forever.

There is nothing racist about leveling some well deserved criticism against the RoC or Japan or Russia or Australia, or the US or UK or any other country for that matter whether that be against the Government or the People for customs and practices which warrant criticism for any reason.

The RoC is not the only country which can be criticized for a number of things whether bird trapping or other things. Other countries are criticized over climate change, immigration policies and just about anything else you can think of.

No one is immune. Other countries do cop it on the chin however and most just ignore the criticism to boot.

You just got to be mature about it and accept that sometimes there are problems in Cyprus as well which need to be discussed and challenged. The RoC is a democracy!

The EU is not immune either.

I am sure there are many things that frustrate you as well.

[miltiades]

[quote="GreekIslandGirl"]What exactly are you, Milty, and erolz attacking here? The RoC? Or Cypriot people in a racist manner? Saying it's for 'truth' doesn't cut it with me. You and he are NOT intelligent enough to know what constitutes truth from within your preferred opinions! [quote=
S , You are talking rubbish darling !!

[GreekIslandGirl]

What exactly are you, Milty, and erolz attacking here? The RoC? Or Cypriot people in a racist manner? Saying it's for 'truth' doesn't cut it with me. You and he are NOT intelligent enough to know what constitutes truth from within your preferred opinions!

S , You are talking rubbish darling !!

Milty, my love, there is one main difference between you and me (yes, "me", that is correct usage for those annoying Brits who think it should be "I"). We may be neighbours in origin, but mentally we are miles apart. You see, I NEVER forget Cyprus is under occupation! It lies behind my every judgement. Like a mother who never forgets (for a second) that her child is ill, and makes every plan and decision accordingly, so do I (yes, now it's correct) about Cyprus. To put it in terms which you might comprehend, would it have been right if the Allied forces during France's WWII occupation said, let's force the French to stop eating frogs' legs now! They have a cultural, attitude problem!

[miltiades]

S, you are familiar, I think, of my stand on Cyprus.

What you seem to be constantly doing is burying your head in the sand when it comes to unpleasant activities that take place in Cyprus. Corruption for once. Deceitful developers taking money from mostly foreigners and not coming up with property deeds.

Only in my village a little while back there was a major scandal concerning mis appropriation of Co- Op funds.

Not everyrhing is rosy Im afraid, greed and self intersest rule in many apsects of life.
Who took my f ...ing savings for instance, was it not the corrupt bankers who earned millions in commissions lending money to the other arch crooks in Greece ?

[erolz66]

What exactly are you, Milty, and erolz attacking here?

What I am attacking is your gross distortion of factual reality in order to serve your propaganda needs. Your claim of

"The RoC has been doing a brilliant job criminalizing this practice...."

Is blatant distortion of factual reality. There is no one saying this other than you GiG. You have just made it up. You claim that the RoC has been doing a 'brilliant job of criminalizing' illegal bird trapping when in fact the reality is as recently as 2013 there was a Government minister publically declaring on TV that they eat ambelopoulia even though they are aware that it is illegal and other ministers publically expressing sympathy for 'traditional hunting' in Cyprus - which means illegal Bird trapping and there has been a huge increase in illegal bird trapping activity as recorded by the Birdlife Cyprus surveys. You do not make this claim because you care about conservation in Cyprus or because there is any objective evidence to support the claim (in fact there is only evidence that refutes it, from credible sources) you make it simply because you want it to be true so you just go ahead and present as an objective truth despite there being no evidence for it and much that refutes it. This is what you do GiG , it is what you always do and always have done. It is this murdering of objective truth and reality to serve your propaganda need that I find so distasteful I occasionally take the time and effort to highlight it.

You and he are NOT intelligent enough to know what constitutes truth from within your preferred opinions!

And this is what you always do, ad hominen attacks when anyone dares to challenge your blatant distortion of factual reality to serve your propaganda needs. Not only arte you required to attack me and my intelligence, you are also required to attack the credible NGO Birdlife Cyprus and the CYPRIOTS who booth fund it and those who work for it, which is exactly what you do. Cypriots like the Leventis family who have bankrolled Birdlife Cyprus for over a decade now, not because it is a vehicle for them to spread their 'anti Cypriot' propaganda but because they are Cypriots who really care about conservation and Birds and this issue.

Erolz just wants to attack anyone who supports the RoC because he probably wants to see complete Turkish rule over the whole island ....

I worked with and for Birdlife Cyprus for two seasons on the very surveys who results you dismiss out of hand because they do not serve your propaganda needs. I worked with them both unpaid and paid at various times. I went round the South with a Greek Cypriot employee (who I still to this day consider a friend along with other Greek Cypriots I met and worked with at Birdlife Cyprus during this time) of Birdlife Cyprus who formerly worked with the Game fund surveying and recording illegal trapping activities. I did so specifically with a view to then taking the expertise that I gains working with them to similar monitoring projects to run in the North, because Birds know no political borders. I did this because I CARE about the issue as a Cypriot just like those Greek Cypriots in Birdlife Cyprus do.

The above is all entirely factually true but none of this suits your propaganda needs, so you simply claim my only interest in the issue is a desire to make Greek Cypriots look bad. It is clearly a nonsense claim unsupported by factual reality, but one that you true to form will make none the less, because you simply have no interest what so ever in actual truth.

It is clear that you have no actual interest in the issue and the reality of illegal Bird trapping in Cyprus, you only have an interest in trying to present an impression that 'all is fine and no different from anywhere else' in this regard in Cyprus despite all the credible evidence from credible Cypriot organisations. This is simply what you do and what you always do and always have done and I despite such murdering of objective truth and reality divorced from all and any credible evidence in order to serve your propaganda need.