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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:54 pm

Any find of broken pieces of MH370 at anyplace in the Pacific will be a suspect find, not unless the MH370 is found intact on the ocean floor. Too much time has passed to believe any find other than an intact find. Long ago I had came to a conclusion that MH370 was shot down by the Americans near Diego Garcia, and the small pieces found thus far on the Western parts of the Pacific, fits well with that scenario due to sea currents and winds in the Southern Hemisphere.

I also stated way back in this thread somewhere, that wreckage of MH370 will eventually will be found, by removing the wreckage from it‘s original location to the new one where it will be discovered most likely further south of the already area searched off the coast of Western Australia, in the “roaring forties“ area.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 5:47 am

There is nothing suspect about most of the 40 pieces found so far. They have been confirmed as belonging to MH370 and are held in a hangar in Perth.

Some of the parts even have official serial engravings and part numbers and these part numbers have been confirmed through the downed aircrafts official Flught and Engineering Manuals

Many organisations have had access too, including students from the University of WA.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:06 am

Robin Hood wrote:Apparently a ‘no-find/no-fee’ deal! They must be very confident ..... I wonder what they know that nobody else does? :roll:

Malaysia to pay U.S. firm up to $70 million if it finds missing MH370 - Reuters Staff

KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Malaysia signed a deal on Wednesday to pay a U.S. seabed exploration firm up to $70 million if it finds the missing Malaysia Airlines aircraft MH370 within 90 days of embarking on a new search in the Southern Indian ocean.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-malaysia-airlines-mh370/malaysia-to-pay-u-s-firm-up-to-70-million-if-it-finds-missing-mh370-idUSKBN1EZ0OA


That isn’t the deal the Australian ATSB has made.

The Australian Government is using a company called FUGRO and they are paying $50 million. And I would say that this fee isn’t for an open ended contract. It will be for a set period, say 6 months or something and any extension will cost more.

I think Malaysian Airlines and the US company are doing it for publicity and not through the ATSB auspices which is the legal and responsible entity because the crash occurred in the Australian SAR zone

I think Malaysian Airlunes are doing it to also appear that they are doing something but the no fee clause means they lose no skin. I’m not sure why the American company is taking such a gamble. It’s not something they can do indefinitely without running the risk of financial ruin and bankruptcy.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/50-million- ... find-mh370

FUGRO is a Dutch company and were involved in the past searches too worth something like 200 million or thereabouts.

The Malaysian search isn’t official or does it involve ATSB. The ATSB is the responsible authority and investigation lead. If the Malaysians fluke it and find the crash, they are not allowed to interfere or returieve it or disturb the crash site. That would be a significant violation. Only the ATSB or it’s delegates can disturb the crash site.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:35 am

...maps of the sea; worth something to FUGRO, this is their business.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 6:53 am

repulsewarrior wrote:...maps of the sea; worth something to FUGRO, this is their business.



Yes that is their business. And they don’t do anything for free.

It appears the Nalaysians are fixated with an area that is further South, whereas the ATSB and its partners which includes FAA and Boeing as well as Inmarsat believe it is further north.

So Malaysians are going there own way probably to appease the families at home and nothing more. It’s a local political issue for them.

If the Malaysians find a crash site, and disturb it it would be a massive legal violation. It’s like the Airline messing with a crime scene. The same as if Boeing were to do the same it would be a massive violation. Only the local regulator is in charge of the crash site but they can delegate to other organisations. In this instance, the regulator is ATSB and CASA.

Anything other than that is like having an accused murderer fiddling with the crime scene of where the murders took place.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:32 am

Paphitis wrote:There is nothing suspect about most of the 40 pieces found so far. They have been confirmed as belonging to MH370 and are held in a hangar in Perth.

Some of the parts even have official serial engravings and part numbers and these part numbers have been confirmed through the downed aircrafts official Flught and Engineering Manuals

Many organisations have had access too, including students from the University of WA.



Paphitis,

Let me clarify. I am not questioning the pieces already found in the Western parts of the Pacific as being suspect. I believe they are the pieces from MH370 and it fits well if the crash site was near Diego Garcia. What I am saying is, any new found pieces collectively in one area away from the Western Pacific as being the "crash site", will be a suspect find. What if the MH370's original crash site was near Diego Garcia and almost most of the pieces were collected, put on a ship and dumped in the ocean thousands of miles away, and then "discovered" as the new crash site. Under such scenario, I do not expect the original Flight Data Recorder or the Cockpit Voice Recorders to be found in the so called newly discovered crash site of MH370, if at all. Too much time has gone by that anything is possible to hide the truth.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:39 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There is nothing suspect about most of the 40 pieces found so far. They have been confirmed as belonging to MH370 and are held in a hangar in Perth.

Some of the parts even have official serial engravings and part numbers and these part numbers have been confirmed through the downed aircrafts official Flught and Engineering Manuals

Many organisations have had access too, including students from the University of WA.



Paphitis,

Let me clarify. I am not questioning the pieces already found in the Western parts of the Pacific as being suspect. I believe they are the pieces from MH370 and it fits well if the crash site was near Diego Garcia. What I am saying is, any new found pieces collectively in one area away from the Western Pacific as being the "crash site", will be a suspect find. What if the MH370's original crash site was near Diego Garcia and almost most of the pieces were collected, put on a ship and dumped in the ocean thousands of miles away, and then "discovered" as the new crash site. Under such scenario, I do not expect the original Flight Data Recorder or the Cockpit Voice Recorders to be found in the so called newly discovered crash site of MH370, if at all. Too much time has gone by that anything is possible to hide the truth.


I think you are being silly Kikapu. MH370 didn’t even have enough fuel to get close to Diego Garcia, and the Americans wouldn’t be hiding if they shot it down. The Americans would be upfront about it immediately. It’s not something they would be interested in hiding and they would be quick to justify themselves as well. And it is not something they would do unless they were certain that their base was going to be hit and destroyed. Anything short of that and they would let it go.

And, not to mention the fact that Malaysia is an important ally and everyone has great relations with them.

There is a far more plausible conspiracy theory than Diego Garcia if you are into conspiracies. That is Harold E Holt Navy Base on the North West Caoe of Australia. This is a joint US/Australian Submarine underwater HF signal base. This is where the ICBM launch codes go to and it controls all US and Australian Submarines. The end of the world begins here, and it is one of the most important facilities in the planet.

You would get shot down if you were anywhere near that.

But most people are too dumb to know that and come up with all sorts of flakey nonsense because they saw Diego Garcia on a Tom Cruise film or something.

There is nothing at Diego Garcia other than a runway.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 9:41 am

Paphitis, what are you saying that MH370 didn‘t have enough fuel to reach Diego Garcia? The flight was destined to Bejing, which is at least 1,000 km further than Diego Garcia from Kaula Lumpur.
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:04 am

Kikapu wrote:Paphitis, what are you saying that MH370 didn‘t have enough fuel to reach Diego Garcia? The flight was destined to Bejing, which is at least 1,000 km further than Diego Garcia from Kaula Lumpur.


Ok Kikapu, you looked it up.

Did you work out the Rhumb Lune Distance. It’s about 800 Kays

In any case Kikapu. Please think it through logically. No one will shoot down an airliner until the very last moment and they are certain it was the last resort. And if it is necessary, there is no reason to hide it as it is completely lawful action.

Or the Americans will just take the hit because there is no one at Diego Garcia most of the time. They can fix the runway in a matter of days. That is a option because Diego Garcia isn’t as important as you think it is. And they don’t have many people there if any most of the time.

Diego Garcia is not a good conspiracy theory at all.

In addition, MH370 would not have got anywhere near Diego Garcia. MH370 was already a few hundred kilometres in its journey to Beijing before changing its course. It had probably done 500 odd kilometres. Then to backtrack, that is another 500 kilometres. Then it was the 5 heading changes around Indonesia adding a few more hundred air miles.

I predict MH379 would have Dutch about 500 to 800 kilometres short of Diego Garcia. I could scientifically work it out if you want, but the fact is it would have got close no matter how you dice it.

In addition, KL to BJ equates to tailwinds
KL to DG you battle the subtropical jet stream which are bloody strong headwinds.

Therefore that adds another 100 nms for each hour of flight time. 3 hours equals 300 nms or another 600 klicks
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Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:27 am

Kikapu wrote:
Paphitis wrote:There is nothing suspect about most of the 40 pieces found so far. They have been confirmed as belonging to MH370 and are held in a hangar in Perth.

Some of the parts even have official serial engravings and part numbers and these part numbers have been confirmed through the downed aircrafts official Flught and Engineering Manuals

Many organisations have had access too, including students from the University of WA.



Paphitis,

Let me clarify. I am not questioning the pieces already found in the Western parts of Indian Ocean as being suspect. I believe they are the pieces from MH370 and it fits well if the crash site was near Diego Garcia. What I am saying is, any new found pieces collectively in one area away from the Western Indian Ocean as being the "crash site", will be a suspect find. What if the MH370's original crash site was near Diego Garcia and almost most of the pieces were collected, put on a ship and dumped in the ocean thousands of miles away, and then "discovered" as the new crash site. Under such scenario, I do not expect the original Flight Data Recorder or the Cockpit Voice Recorders to be found in the so called newly discovered crash site of MH370, if at all. Too much time has gone by that anything is possible to hide the truth.


I just needed to make a correction. I meant to say "Western Indian Ocean" and not "Western Pacific Ocean". I wish someone corrected me a while back. :oops:
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