The Best Cyprus Community

Skip to content


What happened to flight MH370?

Feel free to talk about anything that you want.

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:44 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:@GIG.
Ok here’s how the signal should be heard when modified to become audible to the human ear. Sharp and irritating. The pitch is 10ms exact as per manufacturer’s specs. The audible pitch duration of the signal that the Australians published is at least 20 times as much, but this doesn’t mean anything given the huge amount of noise it contains.

http://www.2shared.com/audio/kM65_ti_/full.html

NB.To download the file press the small "download" button not the big one.


I had the good fortune to see a lot of the coverage from CNN - which I thought was absolutely superb.

They had an analyst from the FBI, FAA and the Air Transport Safety Board say that other noises are always detected by Sonar and that software is used to filter out different frequencies. They basically cancel out all other contaminating noises to be left with the specific frequency range they are looking for in this case 3.5 Khz.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:48 am

boomerang wrote:The plane either sunk intact, no debris, or landed elsewhere...if it sunk then you gotta wonder as to what it was carrying...

If it crushed there would have been a million floating parts... but to this date none has been seen... strange to say the least...

If it landed gently I wonder how it would have taken to sink?... it must be in shallow waters coz if it was deep waters with a fully pressurize cabin it would have imploded... unless de-pressurized once landed...

This definitely not a suicide mission...


It would only take a few minutes to sink. Just using the Hudson River as an example to come up with this conclusion.

The aircraft would have de-pressurized automatically when it went through 8000FT because it would stress the hull inwards. At 8000FT (standard setting) the cabin is equalized.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:09 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:I don't have time to follow this story, other than be alerted by the odd news-feed, so thanks for (between you and Kikapu) keeping it real.

From your images: I find it hard to believe anyone has the audacity to conclude picking up signals, and assigning them to a black box, given the poor quality of information detectable. This inference is worse than the information tabloid newspapers throw out every so often that "scientists have discovered the cure to cancer". And then we find out it's just another technician massaging iffy data that belongs in the bin.

The signal images you posted are a sad reflection of whoever is 'in charge' of this search. Where are their controls? I'm sure they get increased noise blips corresponding to what they suggest is "signal" all the time! They are just randomly making conclusions hoping that, by chance, they will come across something - anything!

Have they given up on floating objects? Of course. Soon they will give up on "signals".

After all this time, there are no two bits of information that tally with each other.

Again, I remain mystified as to why our 'world leaders' of space-exploration and earthly-monitoring remain so quiet on the matter (like someone with something to hide).


To set the record straight GIG my pictures are not from the REAL signal itself but from the audible signal the Australians produced out of the REAL signal.
One can draw only limited information from my pictures, mainly the amount of noise present, time intervals, and some other minor info.
Other than that yes the quality is terrible,but what else would you expect from a technology that got stuck in the 50s on such important issues? :wink:
I agree with the rest of your comments. It looks to me the whole idea is to convince the whole world of what they want them to believe with absolutely no evidence. I suspect after a few days they will announce they found nothing, but they will continue indefinitely imish. Until everyone forgets...


The quality is always terrible or at least contaminated by hundreds of noises and that occurs anywhere even when searching for Submarines. They are looking for a signature, and each Ship and Submarines has its own signature or footprint just like the Black Box has its own signature and they find these signatures by sifting through all the data that does not match that signature.

Not least, one of the noisiest contaminate emanates from the Ship that is towing the detector as well as all the other Ships even many miles away, even wildlife such as Dolphins and Whales have there own Sonar and even this can be detected because that is one of the things they look for when searching for Submarines for instance.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:12 am

boomerang wrote:Hiya pyro long time mate....


If it was a suicide mission what would have been the point of flying the opposite direction.... and if it was a suicide mission the pilot would have nose dived it from 38000feet reaching mach 10 turning it into a fireball... again debris would have littered the ocean... they will probably pin it on him with fabricated evidence.... but who fucking knows, he probably was in with the plotters...

You are right though we will never find out... the daily coverage is in drabs these days, it's slowly going off the radar... there will come a day when they say we found it but can't get to it because it's too deep... wait for it, it's coming...

Another point is don't you find it strange the NSA which monitors every phone call and every keystroke typed that they don't monitor every flight which is an easier task?... yeah right...


The whole affair stinks... thinking of the passengers though...I remember reading this sitting at Hong Kong airport catching a flight back home... and I am flying out this Sunday... man all this shit scares the bejezus out of you...


The NSA does not monitor every phone call or keystroke.

They have the ability to monitor phone calls and anyone's internet activities which is not the same as monitoring every phone call or keystroke. How is this possible?
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:15 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:And…the latest news in this world of misinformation;
Lots of equipment use exactly the same frequency as black boxes.

# Diving equipment
Image


http://uncw.edu/nurc/systems/toolmanual/beacon.pdf

NURC-UNCW has a variety of acoustic pinger beacons available for use. Helle
27XX pingers are available in 27 or 37 kHz frequencies for deployment of equipment to 6,000 feet seawater and have a battery life of one month.


Yes indeed. The area is a popular dive spot too! :lol:
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:19 am

The latest news is that the signal has been detected again and this has allowed the search area to be reduced even further from 75000 sq kms to 58000 sq kms

This time the signal was picked up by a AP-3C Orion aircraft that had deployed its own Sonar.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:09 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:I don't have time to follow this story, other than be alerted by the odd news-feed, so thanks for (between you and Kikapu) keeping it real.


I am the only person trying to keep it real here and everyone else is just throwing around wild speculation which can neither be explained logically or make any sense.

The countries involved in the search so far are all on the same page and working together under difficult circumstances with little to go by. It is not very helpful to undermine these tremendous efforts. The Search Effort so far has been well organized and structured in every possible manner and they doing a terrific job.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:16 am

The latest statement from Angus Houston is that it could be up to 20 days before they deploy the submersible and take the search to the ocean floor.

In the mean time, they will continue to search for the Black Box signal and continue to refine the search are whilst there is a chance that the batteries are still working.

This seems to suggest that the batteries may take approximately 20 days before they are certain they have run out. It also suggests that there will not be any confirmation for at least 20 days.
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:34 am

Back to the shoot down theory.

There is a series of procedures before a country resorts to shooting down an aircraft. These procedures are published in the Jeppessen Airway Manual which all airliners have on the Flight Deck.

Here is a link to what these procedures are:

http://www.ukfsc.co.uk/files/Safety%20B ... 0Aerad.pdf

Here is the Federal Aviation Authority version:

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publica ... m0506.html

I will scan and upload the official document from the Jeppesen Airway Manual Emergency Section if anyone is interested. This is the official copy and procedures for "Intercepted Aircraft" and it is the latest current version. The procedure also entails signals in the event radio communications are not established to the Intercepted Aircraft such as the following:

Rocking of Wings - You have been intercept and must follow me.

What doesn't happen is aircraft getting shot down willy nilly!
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

Re: What happened to flight MH370?

Postby Paphitis » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:55 am

Here is a website depicting all the oceanic currents if anyone is interested.

You can zoom in and out.

http://earth.nullschool.net/#2014/03/10 ... -19.00,801
User avatar
Paphitis
Leading Contributor
Leading Contributor
 
Posts: 32303
Joined: Sun May 21, 2006 2:06 pm

PreviousNext

Return to General Chat

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests