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[Paphitis]

No I don't see the problem in some immaculate creator not existing because no one created the creator! See the problem?

No but I certainly see your hard-headedness!

It's just common sense and reason!

My dear Paphitis… although you certainly have the ability to use common sense you’re one of those billions of individuals who haven’t tapped into it yet!

For common sense would tell you that neither the chicken nor the egg can come first so something or someone must INTENTIONALLY place the very first specimen or two down on the game board so that the reproduction process may begin!

The same goes for every single species on Earth including humans… the very first male and female of each species *MUST* have been placed on the theater by a superpower!

You know as well as I do that religion, all religions, are making everything up as they go along. They have absolutely no clue except for those who have absolute blind faith. They are 100% sure but how that can be I have absolutely no idea. They are looking for explanations for things which can't be explained yet. All this because they have a need to know that life does not end when they die. It's the same thing over and over. The Ancients, Aboriginals and American Indians all believed in God/s and spirits. Nothing has changed from the time we were living in caves as hunter gatherers.

Just because there are some things Humans are unable to answer at present is no justification to make things up and create a deity that explains all in their minds no matter how flawed the thinking is because there are massive flaws in this as well - who created this Deity?

As for the existence of living organisms, including humans, this has been explained by Biologists and Science is now able to replicate, clone and grow stem cells. Nothing special there really. Also, you might be interested to know that it is EXTREMELY (in fact it is a certainty) likely that micro organisms are being hosted on other planets outside our Solar System. Some planets have a similar climate or temperatures to ours and have ice and water. There is a planet that is just completely water or ocean and who knows what is beneath the surface. The mere fact it is a water planet would indicate climatic temperatures above freezing and below 100 degrees.

[bill cobbett]

Evolutionary theory answers GR's point about chickens and eggs and the first humans or the first in any new species, in the following very simple way...

The process of creating species is called "speciation" and it happens as a result of adaptations to environmental factors in a group of any flora and fauna, providing that group is isolated from the main group.

Isolation happens on places such as islands, the periphery of large land masses, on the other side of impassable mountain ranges etc.

The group isolated on an island, or anywhere else that is physically isolated, will continue to evolve and to adapt to its environment. Males and females will continue to breed but there comes a time after lots of adaptations when it can no longer breed with the main group, when they come back in to contact. It has become a new species.

The Great Creator of Evolution in an isolated environment forms new species from an isolated group.

(So, the question of first man or first woman or a first mating couple doesn't arise.)

[Get Real!]

Evolutionary theory answers GR's point about chickens and eggs and the first humans or the first in any new species, in the following very simple way...

The process of creating species is called "speciation" and it happens as a result of adaptations to environmental factors in a group of any flora and fauna, providing that group is isolated from the main group.

Isolation happens on places such as islands, the periphery of large land masses, on the other side of impassable mountain ranges etc.

The group isolated on an island, or anywhere else that is physically isolated, will continue to evolve and to adapt to its environment. Males and females will continue to breed but there comes a time after lots of adaptations when it can no longer breed with the main group, when they come back in to contact. It has become a new species.

The Great Creator of Evolution in an isolated environment forms new species from an isolated group.

(So, the question of first man or first woman or a first mating couple doesn't arise.)

Based on assumptions…

Just because some islands are the only places in the world where you’ll find one or more species today (exclusively, such as the Komodo island) doesn’t necessarily mean that “evolution did it!” or that it was always the case.

Who knows if up to 5,000BC elephants roamed the Komodo Island but somehow died out? Nobody knows! Who knows if in 10,000BC Komodo dragons where also present in Hawaii but died out after a volcano buried them or something… nobody knows!

People need to stop jumping to conclusions and manufacturing absolutist theories just because they only have a portion of the picture and cannot fathom anything else.

We’ve seen fallacious humans trash History this way, trash Archeology, trash Anthropology and a host of other sciences over the last couple of centuries so just be careful with all this evolution mumbo jumbo… which has since grown into a major commercial industry btw.

[Get Real!]

You know as well as I do that religion, all religions, are making everything up as they go along. They have absolutely no clue except for those who have absolute blind faith. They are 100% sure but how that can be I have absolutely no idea. They are looking for explanations for things which can't be explained yet. All this because they have a need to know that life does not end when they die. It's the same thing over and over. The Ancients, Aboriginals and American Indians all believed in God/s and spirits. Nothing has changed from the time we were living in caves as hunter gatherers.

Just because there are some things Humans are unable to answer at present is no justification to make things up and create a deity that explains all in their minds no matter how flawed the thinking is because there are massive flaws in this as well - who created this Deity?

Some of the bible’s writings (books) have been scientifically authenticated as having been written starting at around 1200BC? and ending at some time around 200AD (if I remember well) so don’t come and tell me that people are making it up as they go along!

Do you honestly think that in 1200BC a bunch of peasants started a massive hoax that would span for over 1,000 years, passed on to generation after generation whereby complete strangers were able to collaborate and write about the same characters chapter after chapter with the same storyline and many extra details, to form such an intriguing book of that size that would baffle the rest of mankind to this day?

You couldn’t pull that trick off today with all the technology available to you let alone in those days!

[Paphitis]

You know as well as I do that religion, all religions, are making everything up as they go along. They have absolutely no clue except for those who have absolute blind faith. They are 100% sure but how that can be I have absolutely no idea. They are looking for explanations for things which can't be explained yet. All this because they have a need to know that life does not end when they die. It's the same thing over and over. The Ancients, Aboriginals and American Indians all believed in God/s and spirits. Nothing has changed from the time we were living in caves as hunter gatherers.

Just because there are some things Humans are unable to answer at present is no justification to make things up and create a deity that explains all in their minds no matter how flawed the thinking is because there are massive flaws in this as well - who created this Deity?

Some of the bible’s writings (books) have been scientifically authenticated as having been written starting at around 1200BC? and ending at some time around 200AD (if I remember well) so don’t come and tell me that people are making it up as they go along!

Do you honestly think that in 1200BC a bunch of peasants started a massive hoax that would span for over 1,000 years, passed on to generation after generation whereby complete strangers were able to collaborate and write about the same characters chapter after chapter with the same storyline and many extra details, to form such an intriguing book of that size that would baffle the rest of mankind to this day?

You couldn’t pull that trick off today with all the technology available to you let alone in those days!

I believe that someone wrote a nice little story and then a Church was begun, a corporation in fact, that is almighty and powerful as a Business entity and a vehicle to control the masses, their money and also have some political influence in some countries more than others, and they have also taken caveats on people's spiritual matters, needs and free thinking.

The Ancient Greeks also wrote nice little stories about the Gods which they created and for a while, the masses believed in them just like the masses believe in the current mythological Deity.

When you become the biggest land owner and wealthiest and most powerful entity due to ripping the small (mostly illiterate) peasant farmers off, and compounded that wealth (look at the Catholic and Orthodox Church for starters) then you can do anything. In Cyprus for instance, they do not pay any tax despite owning many 5 star super resorts with nude beaches at the front, and even a brewery. That is just a small dose of how powerful they are.

[Get Real!]

I believe that someone wrote a nice little story and then a Church was begun, a corporation in fact, that is almighty and powerful as a Business entity and a vehicle to control the masses, their money and also have some political influence in some countries more than others, and they have also taken caveats on people's spiritual matters, needs and free thinking.

The Ancient Greeks also wrote nice little stories about the Gods which they created and for a while, the masses believed in them just like the masses believe in the current mythological Deity.

Hello? There was no church when most of the bible was already written and the people who contributed to it did not necessarily have any contact or know each other even!

If anyone it’s you making things up as you go along!

[Paphitis]

I believe that someone wrote a nice little story and then a Church was begun, a corporation in fact, that is almighty and powerful as a Business entity and a vehicle to control the masses, their money and also have some political influence in some countries more than others, and they have also taken caveats on people's spiritual matters, needs and free thinking.

The Ancient Greeks also wrote nice little stories about the Gods which they created and for a while, the masses believed in them just like the masses believe in the current mythological Deity.

Hello? There was no church when most of the bible was already written and the people who contributed to it did not necessarily have any contact or know each other even!

If anyone it’s you making things up as you go along!

I wasn't talking about 1200BC.

And you're talking about the Old Testament from which I say to you that God is an Arsehole and use that as my proof!

[Get Real!]

I wasn't talking about 1200BC.

And you're talking about the Old Testament from which I say to you that God is an Arsehole and use that as my proof!

I really think you should pull out of this thread because you just don’t have the background knowledge to participate with any contribution of substance… and calling God an “arsehole” all the time isn’t helping your case either.

Goodnight Paphitis.

[Paphitis]

I wasn't talking about 1200BC.

And you're talking about the Old Testament from which I say to you that God is an Arsehole and use that as my proof!

I really think you should pull out of this thread because you just don’t have the background knowledge to participate with any contribution of substance… and calling God an “arsehole” all the time isn’t helping your case either.

Goodnight Paphitis.

You mention the God of the Old Testament and I just said that hge is:

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Richard Dawkins

Now you prove any of that wrong!

Goodnight!

[Get Real!]

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

Richard Dawkins

Now you prove any of that wrong!

Goodnight!

Don’t you even see the irony… how fucking stupid can this Amoeba possibly get accusing a God of being a “megalomaniac”!!!

You don’t even comprehend the basic concept of what a God is…

It must be one of the daftest things ever uttered by a human!