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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:44 pm

DT. wrote:Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea :D Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts. :roll:



How many villas can I claim for my four year old alter ego that never got to grow up like a true Cypriot then? The guy who never really got to converse with his nan at a level where they could truly connect. Priceless I would claim. :roll:
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby DT. » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:00 am

zan wrote:
DT. wrote:Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea :D Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts. :roll:



How many villas can I claim for my four year old alter ego that never got to grow up like a true Cypriot then? The guy who never really got to converse with his nan at a level where they could truly connect. Priceless I would claim. :roll:


Well zan, you tell me.
But what the hell is the ancient town of Kerynia doing belonging to a Turkish Republic? What the hell does a Turkish Republic have to do with any of these places it claims?
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby zan » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:12 am

A Turkish Cypriot Republic to be precise DT. A place to reflect. A place to forgive. A place to connect and maybe, a place to reconcile and unite from. If it's not done soon then even I won't be around for you and I to remember and do the above. Just new generations that do not have the need or the will.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby DT. » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:31 am

zan wrote:A Turkish Cypriot Republic to be precise DT. A place to reflect. A place to forgive. A place to connect and maybe, a place to reconcile and unite from. If it's not done soon then even I won't be around for you and I to remember and do the above. Just new generations that do not have the need or the will.



You can't even offer that.

It's the "TURKISH REPUBLIC of northern Cyprus" that you call it zan. Not the Turkish Cypriot Republic.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Jun 09, 2014 12:32 am

boulio wrote:It seems in the last few months that various journalist and think tanks are writing and putting forward the great taboo that maybe the best solution for cyprus is truly a agreed partition.I know many in this forum will be up in arms but would a tc state within the EU be better than a dis function confederal model because let's face it that's what has been discussed the last forty years by all cypriot presidents from all ideological spectrums.i have three articles by stavros lygeros a well respected greek journalist,Yusuf Kanli that always believed the cyprus problem ended in 1974 but has come to the realization that maybe two cypriot states working within the EU would be better and the ICG that is turkey's biggest supporter .

All three articles place the tc state within the EU and recognized,however for this recognition the tc state would need to be drastically reduced,respect the EU acquis and property rights of gc that the land is in the tc state.the turkish military would be withdrawn however the tc state can have a defense pact with turkey which is allowed within the EU.Lygeros idea even goes further stating that the two cypriot states even separate would hold on vote in the EU,when the both agree or disagree they vote,bg when the two disagree about something they abstain.guarantees rights would be abolished most likely the sba as well.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/e ... ality.aspx

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/cyprio ... sCatID=425

http://strategyreports.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/κυπριακό-η-επιστροφή-του-σχεδίου-ανάν/

I know people are going to go ballistic but won't both sides really get what they want and don't say it aloud.the Turks get their recognition and state the gc get a lot of territory back the rest get their property rights and the turkish military threat is gone.the island would become a coop of two states with a wide range of cooperation and in the future if the bonds materialize they can formally join as a true federation with pressure and cohesion with third party rights ahead of cypriot either greek or turkish.


We discussed this hundreds of times in this forum.
By the minute we even accept to discuss partition, the pseudo will be recognized.
Then all that will be left is territory to be given back. Negotiations will drag for eternity and in the end we will get not an inch back.

The worst BBF is better than partition. Because is has the potential to evolve into Unitary state over time.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:11 am

DT. wrote:Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea :D Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts. :roll:


Excellent post, file DT ...!!! ... if our GR doesn't mind a foreigner like BillC saying so.

No CY leader, no CY or any generation of CYs has the right to break up CY.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby erolz66 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:21 am

bill cobbett wrote: No CY leader, no CY or any generation of CYs has the right to break up CY.


Or give it away to Greece ?
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby bill cobbett » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:24 am

erolz66 wrote:
bill cobbett wrote: No CY leader, no CY or any generation of CYs has the right to break up CY.


Or give it away to Greece ?


Or give it or any part of it away to Greece or Turkey ...???
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jun 09, 2014 1:40 am

DT. wrote:Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea :D Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts. :roll:


...thank-you DT, says it all.
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Re: Reality that nobody wants to talk about till now.

Postby boulio » Mon Jun 09, 2014 3:42 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
DT. wrote:Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea :D Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts. :roll:




...thank-you DT, says it all.



DT's opinion is respected but is it reality?because there have been numerous surveys done that refugees answered they would not even return to properties within a gc state returned ie if lysi is given back it's pre 74 population of 4500 maybe half would return.So the romatisism is admirable it's not based on reality and what most people will do.
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