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[boulio]

It seems in the last few months that various journalist and think tanks are writing and putting forward the great taboo that maybe the best solution for cyprus is truly a agreed partition.I know many in this forum will be up in arms but would a tc state within the EU be better than a dis function confederal model because let's face it that's what has been discussed the last forty years by all cypriot presidents from all ideological spectrums.i have three articles by stavros lygeros a well respected greek journalist,Yusuf Kanli that always believed the cyprus problem ended in 1974 but has come to the realization that maybe two cypriot states working within the EU would be better and the ICG that is turkey's biggest supporter .

All three articles place the tc state within the EU and recognized,however for this recognition the tc state would need to be drastically reduced,respect the EU acquis and property rights of gc that the land is in the tc state.the turkish military would be withdrawn however the tc state can have a defense pact with turkey which is allowed within the EU.Lygeros idea even goes further stating that the two cypriot states even separate would hold on vote in the EU,when the both agree or disagree they vote,bg when the two disagree about something they abstain.guarantees rights would be abolished most likely the sba as well.

http://www.crisisgroup.org/en/regions/e ... ality.aspx

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/cyprio ... sCatID=425

http://strategyreports.wordpress.com/2013/04/24/κυπριακό-η-επιστροφή-του-σχεδίου-ανάν/

I know people are going to go ballistic but won't both sides really get what they want and don't say it aloud.the Turks get their recognition and state the gc get a lot of territory back the rest get their property rights and the turkish military threat is gone.the island would become a coop of two states with a wide range of cooperation and in the future if the bonds materialize they can formally join as a true federation with pressure and cohesion with third party rights ahead of cypriot either greek or turkish.

We discussed this hundreds of times in this forum.
By the minute we even accept to discuss partition, the pseudo will be recognized.
Then all that will be left is territory to be given back. Negotiations will drag for eternity and in the end we will get not an inch back.

The worst BBF is better than partition. Because is has the potential to evolve into Unitary state over time.

You have discussed partition 100 times,not partition with a tc state is the EU .very big difference.All land will be pre requisite for the agreement to go thru.it will not be 71-29 % split but closer to 80-20

[Get Real!]

Your country is a greek cypriot state ,it was a republic with two communities participating for all but three years of its existence do you understand that?

No I’m afraid not. Your country did not even exist when my country was the master of the Mediterranean and your people were squatting to piss in some cave south of Europe, so when you speak to me a Balkan like you should at the very least stand attention.

Delusion at its finest.you have been a Greek state for 51 out of 54 years of your existence that is reality.

The DELUSION is 100% Greek re Balkan gyfto!

The irony of this thread is that it took a Greek (read Balkan gypsy whose country is 100% responsible for this whole mess on Cyprus) to post 3 junk links with which to “build a case” in support of illegalities against Cyprus, and then some of my foolish compatriots are dumb enough to claim ancestral associations with these hideous people!

Are you people fucking kidding me?

[Get Real!]

You have discussed partition 100 times,not partition with a tc state is the EU .very big difference.All land will be pre requisite for the agreement to go thru.it will not be 71-29 % split but closer to 80-20

Re Greek pezevenk, the partition of your mom's rear end is the most likely scenario.

[DT.]

Every now and then some smart Alec usually a foreigner comes to the realization that Cyprus might be better off split. I agree, figure out which land belongs to TC's and split it off. You can't touch Morphou, because that's where I come from, oh and you've got my agreement if you don't touch Kyrenia which is where my grandparents come from...and I'll definitely vote for it if you leave Famagusta out of this split because my wife and her family are from there so that's a no-go. Would also appreciate you stay out of Rizokarpasso because that's where my dad comes from.

Other than that I'm cool with this idea Oh and if I'm presenting too many obstacles in someone's opinion of this master plan then I'd gladly listen to their ideas of compensating me with their dad's land in Athens, wives home in Istanbul or even their grandparents cottage in London. I'm all ears!

Exactly how many thousands of years does Cyprus need to be whole in order for some idiots to feel the least bit ashamed at thinking they're the chosen generation that walked this land in those thousands of years and it's ok for them to split it in two parts.

...thank-you DT, says it all.

DT's opinion is respected but is it reality?because there have been numerous surveys done that refugees answered they would not even return to properties within a gc state returned ie if lysi is given back it's pre 74 population of 4500 maybe half would return.So the romatisism is admirable it's not based on reality and what most people will do.

Whether people return to live or not will depend on economics which is why these surveys are so useless. Would you return to live in a village whose economy has been destroyed? There's a reason the rights associated with a persons home and property are so important. It's because no matter what happens in war, occupation, looting etc a govt is never able to regenerate an area simply by civil service. It needs it's people, and it's people will always have a connection to it to fund it, fix it and live in it.

Now following a solution the demographics will change dramatically but people will be surprised because they'll look nothing like the "bi-zonal" crap that's being discussed. People will drift to where employment is regardless whether the local councillors are tc or gc. We're talking about a nation that emigrated to Canada, Australia, South Africa and you think someone from Paphos won't move to Kerynia if there's work there?

In short boulio, I won't give up my ancestral land. Hand it back and I'll decide what happens to it. And I assure you there's nothing romantic about this.

[zan]

A Turkish Cypriot Republic to be precise DT. A place to reflect. A place to forgive. A place to connect and maybe, a place to reconcile and unite from. If it's not done soon then even I won't be around for you and I to remember and do the above. Just new generations that do not have the need or the will.

You can't even offer that.

It's the "TURKISH REPUBLIC of northern Cyprus" that you call it zan. Not the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

What's in a word DT. Look at the reality. It has been you lot that have refused to empower us as TCs to further our existence and now you use it against us. You could have pulled the rug out from Turkey's feet a long time ago. We both seem to be hanging on to whatever flotsam in turbulent waters. The reality is we have a TC leader and most of us are still hanging on to our identity as TCs. You give us no choices after that. The breathlessness you experience when thinking of letting go for even a split second is going to pass. Hold your breath and trust. The alternative has no where to go.

[Get Real!]

Look at the reality. It has been you lot that have refused to empower us as TCs to further our existence and now you use it against us.

It’s not in any country’s interests to empower minorities of any kind… why don’t you take some tips from Turkey which you are so fond of?

In every country of the world and throughout the history of mankind, if a minority peacefully coexists it is left alone but if it seeks autonomy it is persecuted.

Call it “natural selection”, call it man’s control-freak nature, call it whatever you want I don’t care… but that’s how it is.

If Cyprus was to grant a handful of TCs power then what happens next year when the Russian community wants power too? And what about 5 years from now when the Jewish community grows and wants partition too?

You think we’re going to be playing cut & paste for the rest of out existence so us to respect “your rights”? What about the rights of that country’s identity and existence? You think you’re more important?

You think that’s how the world works? What are you stupid?

Here’s how it normally works… you get a couple of warnings from the government to cut the crap and if you don’t they send their national guard and cut you to pieces… but don’t take it from me just ask the Kurds in east Turkey.

So just because you have Turkey foolishly interfering in the natural order of this country (and against the interests of everybody including Turkey) doesn’t mean that you have special rights now.

So get over yourselves!

[DT.]

A Turkish Cypriot Republic to be precise DT. A place to reflect. A place to forgive. A place to connect and maybe, a place to reconcile and unite from. If it's not done soon then even I won't be around for you and I to remember and do the above. Just new generations that do not have the need or the will.

You can't even offer that.

It's the "TURKISH REPUBLIC of northern Cyprus" that you call it zan. Not the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

What's in a word DT. Look at the reality. It has been you lot that have refused to empower us as TCs to further our existence and now you use it against us. You could have pulled the rug out from Turkey's feet a long time ago. We both seem to be hanging on to whatever flotsam in turbulent waters. The reality is we have a TC leader and most of us are still hanging on to our identity as TCs. You give us no choices after that. The breathlessness you experience when thinking of letting go for even a split second is going to pass. Hold your breath and trust. The alternative has no where to go.

You kept a straight face when writing that one?

[zan]

I tried mate. Only because I half believe it.

[zan]

BTW. Only half believe because of the people on this forum. We make our own judgments as TCs and don't need your trust in our daily lives. Just wishful thinking that's all.

[boulio]

Your country is a greek cypriot state ,it was a republic with two communities participating for all but three years of its existence do you understand that?

No I’m afraid not. Your country did not even exist when my country was the master of the Mediterranean and your people were squatting to piss in some cave south of Europe, so when you speak to me a Balkan like you should at the very least stand attention.

Delusion at its finest.you have been a Greek state for 51 out of 54 years of your existence that is reality.

The DELUSION is 100% Greek re Balkan gyfto!

The irony of this thread is that it took a Greek (read Balkan gypsy whose country is 100% responsible for this whole mess on Cyprus) to post 3 junk links with which to “build a case” in support of illegalities against Cyprus, and then some of my foolish compatriots are dumb enough to claim ancestral associations with these hideous people!

Are you people fucking kidding me?

What a bunch of colonels from a military dictatorship did 40 years ago is a reason to paint a country 100% at fault ?yes gr your greek get over it and move on you can pick your friends but not your family