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[Paphitis]

Wake up Paphitis. You are talking as if we have the luxury to choose our allies. The Anglo-Americans don't want Cyprus in NATO because they already have bases here so a Cyprus membership would be totally worthless to them... not to mention that they already have 40.000 NATO troops in the north also. On top of that they want the Turks as their allies so they would never support our interests over theirs.

YOU DO HAVE THAT LUXURY! I GUARANTEE YOU!

Why? Because the West (US et al) just doesn't hold anything personal. There is a culture shift, unlike let's say Greeks or Turks. A different way of thinking.

The RoC was never worthless to them. And that is the problem. You guys played silly buggers with the RoC in the 60s and 70s, and we got done over!

the RoC was in an excellent position to dictate to the US and have whatever it wanted including defence and security but we had to be stupid and we pissed it up the wall - thanks to and AKEL.

And yes, they would love the RoC to be in NATO. It cements there bases and the RoC is forced to meet some obligations. They would allow the RoC in tomorrow if it were not for Turkey.

If you think we are too small, then explain Taiwan, Singapore, East Timor, Malta and many more.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis, a war against a nation of some 80 million people, with a massive military could only be considered by powerful nations. Cyprus is not. It would be not only a futile war but a catastrophic one for our island. Like or not Cyprus on her own can not win a war against Turkey. End of the matter.

I'm sorry miltiades! I do not subscribe to your negativity or theories.

I have seen a country of 25 million go to war with a country of 250 million.

You can do anything and Turkey is not as strong as you think they are. I'm not saying to go to war, but it is a contingency or scenario that can't be ruled out. With the right backers and supporters, anything is possible. The reason why we need the right allies.

Israel is able to go to war and defeat countries totaling some 1 billion people - basically the entire Arab World if necessary.

They plan for it, and prepare for it. Even the women are trained killers and will be on the front line. This is what Cyprus should do as well. Every 18 year old lass should be in the CNG for compulsory service. No more lipstick, eyeliner and they can shave their heads and trim their nails. Sorry, but that is just the way it should be. And no more Koupepkia! Everyone eats the same shit (slops)! And no leave because you know people in high places. That's what I call equal rights.

If only I was the RoC President! The Troika will love me ...

How many years of YOUR life have you gave to serve in the Cyprus army? Or as a Cypriot of diaspora how many millions of dollars did you send to Cyprus? Talk is cheap Paphitis. But even if we did all those things it wouldn't make a difference. Israel's power is the support they have from the USA because Israel is in fact an Anglo-American creation created to serve the Anglo-American interests in the region. If USA stops supporting them then Israel would disappear from the map soon after.

Not my fault for being in the Diaspora. Don't seem to recall being asked. And in fact, the vast majority of the Diaspora are victims to the instability and to Turkey as well.

Is your service an issue for you? Why shouldn't the ladies be expected to do the same as the men? It would never be an issue for me, but circumstances make it pretty much impossible for 200,000 GCs in the Diaspora. The same argument can be applied to the Jews who have a Diaspora numbering 30 million. However, every man and woman serves the IDF in Israel and it is not hard to understand why. Shouldn't be hard to understand why this is necessary in Cyprus either. For God's sake man - you're under occupation.

I can't afford to send millions. I don't have millions to send. But if I was had such a disposable income, then why not? The talk might be cheap for you, but not for me. Also, I and probably the majority of the Diaspora pay tax. Most of us own property at the very least and we are not immune to your tax laws and property taxes. It's not an issue for most of us either. And sure, most of us don't pay as much as you, but collectively, millions do flow from the Diaspora into RoC coffers. There would be a few wealthy individuals that even go over and beyond.

And no, Israel was not created in 1948 to serve the Anglo interests. So many times, Israel does NOT serve US interests at all. In fact, they sometimes view Israel as a big problem. What is in US interests is negotiations, and a 2 State Solution and no war in the area. They are literally fed up, but the Israeli's play their cards right.

For your information Sotos, I blame the older generation for being so fucked up. They should have just kept quiet because the Cypriot people were NOT ready for independence back then and that is why the island is partitioned today. You stupid clowns would have been ok, if you just shut up and did not rock the boat. Victims of the Cold War ...

Problem is, AKEL and Makarios kept opening their mouths.

[Lordo]

perhaps you also agree with what this megalomaniac has said in his recent speech.

Highlights from Netanyahu’s speech yesterday:

Netanyahu: I’m proud of our soldiers and officers, who in the most brave and valiant way, slaughtered families in their sleep.

Netanyahu: We are a moral nation. We only massacred 1700 people in 25 days. It could have been 17,000, but our moral army is so restrained.

Netanyahu: We made incredible progress. We massacred civilians and lost a lot of soldiers. This has truly been a great operation.


this image reminds of of another incident. have you heard of the goccina incident. well the world does not change. blood thirsty remain bloodthirsty.

http://postimg.org/image/5krdt5z1v/

[CBBB]

perhaps you also agree with what this megalomaniac has said in his recent speech.

Highlights from Netanyahu’s speech yesterday:

Netanyahu: I’m proud of our soldiers and officers, who in the most brave and valiant way, slaughtered families in their sleep.

Netanyahu: We are a moral nation. We only massacred 1700 people in 25 days. It could have been 17,000, but our moral army is so restrained.

Netanyahu: We made incredible progress. We massacred civilians and lost a lot of soldiers. This has truly been a great operation.


this image reminds of of another incident. have you heard of the goccina incident. well the world does not change. blood thirsty remain bloodthirsty.

http://postimg.org/image/5krdt5z1v/

Netanyahu sounds just like Erdogan!

[miltiades]

perhaps you also agree with what this megalomaniac has said in his recent speech.

Highlights from Netanyahu’s speech yesterday:

Netanyahu: I’m proud of our soldiers and officers, who in the most brave and valiant way, slaughtered families in their sleep.

Netanyahu: We are a moral nation. We only massacred 1700 people in 25 days. It could have been 17,000, but our moral army is so restrained.

Netanyahu: We made incredible progress. We massacred civilians and lost a lot of soldiers. This has truly been

this image reminds of of another incident. have you heard of the goccina incident. well the world does not change. blood thirsty remain bloodthirsty.

http://postimg.org/image/5krdt5z1v/

All hamas had to do was to stop firing rockets into Israel, hamas is responsible for civilian casualties !

[Lordo]

did you see how scared they were from the hamas rockets old man. first you go and live under israel in gaza and then you can judge what people could do or dont do. who else sat down and watch innocent civilians be slaughtered by heavy artillery old man. does 1964 and goccina ring a bell.

[Sotos]

Paphitis you are delusional. "the RoC was in an excellent position to dictate to the US and have whatever it wanted"? I served in the army for the full 26 months... most of it on the cease fire line and none of it in Limassol. And since I finished my studies I serve as a reserve in one of the most remote places. A total waste of my time. What keeps Israel going is the backing of the Americans ... not that they have women in the army! No number of women could save them from the Arabs if they didn't have the backing of the USA. The Palestinians are also very determined and they fight to the death ... the Israelis kill 100s of them at a time and the Palestinians keep fighting. But when you are the weak side determination alone is just not enough!

[Paphitis]

Paphitis you are delusional. "the RoC was in an excellent position to dictate to the US and have whatever it wanted"? I served in the army for the full 26 months... most of it on the cease fire line and none of it in Limassol. And since I finished my studies I serve as a reserve in one of the most remote places. A total waste of my time. What keeps Israel going is the backing of the Americans ... not that they have women in the army! No number of women could save them from the Arabs if they didn't have the backing of the USA. The Palestinians are also very determined and they fight to the death ... the Israelis kill 100s of them at a time and the Palestinians keep fighting. But when you are the weak side determination alone is just not enough!

No Sotos, I am realistic and pragmatic.

Yes, the RoC could have dictated its own terms to the US but the US would dictate its very own terms to the RoC, and nasty terms at that, if they thought you were a nuisance to their NATO East Mediterranean Flank.

They saved you from Turkish Invasion once or twice, and even asked for a base and to station troops on the island.

You think about it. At the end of the day, the RoC was a responsibility you idiots were not ready for. You actually thought you were untouchable, but that proved to be wrong. You thought USSR was enough. The US was never going to allow the USSR anywhere near Cyprus. You played a stupid game and burnt your fingers like a child playing with matches would. That's NATO membership if you wanted right there and there. No, but the stupid Priest was worried about Texan Cowboys and their prostitutes.

You had idiotic imbeciles in charge like Makarios and Grivas. And AKEL takes the cake too. Dinosaurs!

Wake up Sotos!

[miltiades]

Makarios was not a diplomat by any means, but stupid he was not. Cyprus had never had politicians, diplomats etc. Only leaders, Makarios was one such leader that enjoyed the support inittialy of the vast majority of G/Cs.

Fatal errors on the political front were made, none as bad as the decision at the time to befriend ineffectual nations and scorn those nations that could be of beneficial help to Cyprus, primary the USA which considered Makarios as the Castro of the meditteranean and Cyprus as the Cuba of the ME.

AKEL contributed greatly to the image of Cyprus as per the American assesment in geopolitical terms. The refusal to allow US bases is Cyprus was another fatal error, but even today we can see just on this forum alone the level of animosity towards the USA and Israel, some are more concerned with plight of another natios than their own.

The recently formed alliances between Israel-Greece and Cyprus are of the utmost importance to our island, yet many do not fully realise the benefits of such an alliance to Cyprus's security. In a post I made in April 2006 I said the following:

"Piratis , I'm a Cypriot first and foremost , but I stand shoulder to shoulder with the USA , Britain and The Western world. Kliredis I believe also did so. Now you can criticise Miltiades for supporting the interests of Cyprus above all , and for Cyprus I WOULD GO TO BED WITH THE DEVIL. Definitely not with Cuba , Iran , Iraq , and the other non-entities that we always seem to forge an alliance with. IPER PANTON OLON TA SIMFERONTA TIS KIPROU."

It is time we concentrate primarily on our OWN INTERESTS above all else, for the benefit of Cyprus and the future generations.

[Sotos]

Seems that you two are ignorant of our history and the sequence of events. When the British took over from the Ottomans we were celebrating. We considered them as our Christian European friends that would show some respect to us... we even fought on their side in WWII believing their fake promises. If all they wanted was us to be their allies they could have very easily have that. But they didn't want us to be their allies. They saw us and Cyprus like objects to be exploited and they treated us in a very hostile way. And by the way ... it seems that they did something similar to Palestine. I don't know their history very good, but from what I read the British took the Arabs on their side making faking promises to them in order to take Palestine from the Ottomans. Then they stabbed Palestinians on the back, allowing 1000s of Jews to enter Palestine and then they gave Palestine to the Jews!