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Postby tsukoui » Wed Nov 05, 2014 10:53 am

Ifa, the Yoruba religion, has had remarkable success at syncretism in Cuba with Catholicism, despite opposition from the Pope. They associate their pantheon of Orishas (loosely translated as Gods, but more like intermediaries) with the Catholic Saints, and as the following article shows, some have even claimed that Jesus was a priest of Ifa, by associating their Prophet ORUNMILA with the Prophet MELCHIZEDEK in the Bible:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ifaism-and-christianity-possible-common-origin-and-their-synthesis-cuba

My question is why the Hellenic religion has not managed to do the same thing, but instead been completely wiped out by Christianity. What are the possibilities for a syncretism between the Hellenic religion and Orthodoxy? Is it a project worth undertaking?
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby tsukoui » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:02 am

I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby CBBB » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:55 am

Are you a raving looney?
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby Paphitis » Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:58 pm

tsukoui wrote:Ifa, the Yoruba religion, has had remarkable success at syncretism in Cuba with Catholicism, despite opposition from the Pope. They associate their pantheon of Orishas (loosely translated as Gods, but more like intermediaries) with the Catholic Saints, and as the following article shows, some have even claimed that Jesus was a priest of Ifa, by associating their Prophet ORUNMILA with the Prophet MELCHIZEDEK in the Bible:

http://www.examiner.com/article/ifaism-and-christianity-possible-common-origin-and-their-synthesis-cuba

My question is why the Hellenic religion has not managed to do the same thing, but instead been completely wiped out by Christianity. What are the possibilities for a syncretism between the Hellenic religion and Orthodoxy? Is it a project worth undertaking?


I agree with you Tsuk.

Sadly, Greece has lost its way and remains disconnected from its past.

If you think the current state of affairs is actually Hellenic then you're sadly mistaken. Maybe one day they will honour their ancestors!

Have you noticed how they fall over themselves to claim the Ancient Civilization and call it their own. They have no innovation within them like so many other countries and the countries institutions have all but been bought to their knees from their greed and arrogance. When you have nothing to look forward to you look to the past whilst a Hellene will look to the future, innovate and honour the past through their deeds.
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 05, 2014 3:48 pm

...i sit sometimes with a man of Irish decent, a Greek, who is still a believer in the Gods before Christianity. Baptised Greek Orthodox, he has reconciled his Faith, that there is despair in Heaven as on Earth, that there is one God indeed, but that there must be gods for such a condition to exist.
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby kurupetos » Wed Nov 05, 2014 11:44 pm

tsukoui wrote:I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?

I guess it's similar to the reason we don't use donkeys anymore... because we have vehicles. :|
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby Paphitis » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:37 am

kurupetos wrote:
tsukoui wrote:I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?

I guess it's similar to the reason we don't use donkeys anymore... because we have vehicles. :|


But the drivers have regressed into Donkeys compared to their Ancient counterparts!

We had it all until we pissed our Ancient Civilization up the wall and adopted inferior Christianity.
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby kurupetos » Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:11 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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tsukoui wrote:I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?

I guess it's similar to the reason we don't use donkeys anymore... because we have vehicles. :|


But the drivers have regressed into Donkeys compared to their Ancient counterparts!

We had it all until we pissed our Ancient Civilization up the wall and adopted inferior Christianity.

What's inferior about it, you dufus? :?
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby Paphitis » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:37 am

kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
tsukoui wrote:I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?

I guess it's similar to the reason we don't use donkeys anymore... because we have vehicles. :|


But the drivers have regressed into Donkeys compared to their Ancient counterparts!

We had it all until we pissed our Ancient Civilization up the wall and adopted inferior Christianity.

What's inferior about it, you dufus? :?


Everything!

It's not Hellenic and it preaches an inferior and selfish philosophy on life!

Ancient Greek Philosophy dealt with all the moral compasses quite adequately in my opinion as well as all earthly issues, and they did it well. All that was needed was to further build on those principles rather than destroy the this Ancient civilization.
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Re: Syncretism...

Postby tsukoui » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:12 pm

kurupetos wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
kurupetos wrote:
tsukoui wrote:I suppose what has been syncretised is Hellenic philosophy with Orthodoxy, and Catholicism by extension. There is also Hermeticism. But the old Gods, the rituals, they have gone. Are we missing out on some powerful modes of interacting with the world?

I guess it's similar to the reason we don't use donkeys anymore... because we have vehicles. :|


But the drivers have regressed into Donkeys compared to their Ancient counterparts!

We had it all until we pissed our Ancient Civilization up the wall and adopted inferior Christianity.

What's inferior about it, you dufus? :?


I'm surprised you're defending Christianity, Kurupetos, one of the miracles of Christ was to make us all Jews as we became sons and daughters of Adam. I haven't got a problem with the Old Testament as a meditation on the nature of the one God, nor the New Testament as a meditation on the nature of love. Both offer insights. But I wonder what more we could have been if we had not abandoned our own cosmology.
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