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Re: Let's face it: the withdraw from Iraq was premature

Postby Lordo » Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:39 pm

unbloodybelievable, anything that happens that is bad must be caused by terggy. is there no end to your stupidity.
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Re: Let's face it: the withdraw from Iraq was premature

Postby Maximus » Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:12 pm

Lordo wrote:unbloodybelievable, anything that happens that is bad must be caused by terggy. is there no end to your stupidity.


Did you read Davutoglu's strategic depth and zero problems with neighbors doctrine? Now that's stupidity.
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Re: Let's face it: the withdraw from Iraq was premature

Postby kurupetos » Sun Mar 01, 2015 12:16 am

Maximus wrote:
Lordo wrote:unbloodybelievable, anything that happens that is bad must be caused by terggy. is there no end to your stupidity.


Did you read Davutoglu's strategic depth and zero problems with neighbors doctrine? Now that's stupidity.

:lol: I agree.
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Re: Let's face it: the withdraw from Iraq was premature

Postby Paphitis » Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:31 am

Paphitis wrote:
Right now, many peoples in Iraq and Syria are facing the deplorable IS, and whether or not you consider this the fault of America or not, it is important to note that the coalition will try to remedy this. Not only are Iraqis and Syrians facing this gruesome organization, but we too may face them in our own homelands.

I do hope we capture a few of them alive. There are some empty cells at Quantanamo Bay I will have you know and we will like the opportunity to interrogate them.




Garavnoss wrote:It is within the area of your views above that the greatest gulf between us lies, you open with the words "Right Now" and that does suggest that you have adopted the "Politician's Stance" which invariably only considers issues as they ARE at any particular moment.


It's the analytical approach. Yes it is important to analyse what is happening right now, rather than just pointing fingers in a blame game.

Garavnoss wrote:Typical of politicians, such a stance provides them with a great deal of flexibility and enables them to stand on one leg one day and another leg the next, we have seen it so many times that it escapes our notice, unless we are very careful.


the environment is very fluid and can change very quickly. A politician will not tell people what they want to hear.

Garavnoss wrote:There is NO QUESTION (in my view) that the American and British forces are responsible for ALL the disharmony now taking place in the Middle East and other regions, the (now coalition forces) are not doing anyone a service by claiming to be engaged in a process of rectifying the situation in the areas they are focusing on, they are merely trying to contain the "Ogre" that was created when Bush and Blair concocted the excuse to depose the Iraqi president and gain control of the nation's resources, colour it which way you like, those are the basic facts.


That is your opinion. But why don't you ask some Iraqis and find out from them?

You would probably find that many, if not most, are happy that they are without the old tyrant Suddam Hussein. However, they did not sign up for DAESH to come along to fill the void and we will not allow this to happen under any circumstances.

Yes the situation will be rectified. You are very naive to believe that the war will not be expanded with boots on the Ground. it's inevitable, unless of course the ISF gain the upper hand quickly.

Garavnoss wrote:Out of the destruction subsequent to the "Shock and Awe" fiasco, there emerged several warring factions, THE most ferocious of all of them is the IS, there ARE others and I suspect they are being well paid as mercenaries in many cases but, IS has different motives
and represents a rather more difficult force to deal with since, it will not be intimidated by threats, nor bought off with US dollars.


That's fine! We don't want them to be bought off. Our goal is to destroy them.

Garavnoss wrote:IS wishes to rid the Middle East of the curse that descended upon it courtesy of the U.S.A. (and others) in the guise of helping those who supposedly lived in fear of their rulers, it sounded like a good ploy but the outcome was not quite as expected.


You're having a laugh!

There are many Middle eastern countries that are fantastic countries and Iraq has an opportunity to be one of them without IS.

Garavnoss wrote:The IS are not afraid to die for their cause, they have principles which WE do not understand and their fervour is such that no threat nor force of arms will deter them from reaching their objectives, one of which is to impose "Sharia Law" in their OWN nation.


We will see how afraid they are.

I would suspect, that when they face death, they will be very afraid.

Garavnoss wrote:Nothing wrong with that, if you don't like it, go and live elsewhere, ultimately they will win for precisely those reasons.


What? At the expense of your demi God Bashar Al-Assad?

My my you swing with the breeze.

Garavnoss wrote:Guantanamo Bay prison cells (which you mention) are NOT an asset to the Americans, the tortures that were committed there are well documented and also a possible reason for all the uprisings in many areas of the world, IS may well have been influenced by the exposure of such inhumane activities, they may even be in the process of "Fighting Fire with Fire", as the old saying goes.


I disagree.

We need a place for all the Jihadi johns we capture.

I really don't think Americans have an issue.

Look, we are actually quite cuddly compared to them. We actually won't behead them or set them alight. We might remove the odd finger nail, and engage in fun activities as water boarding. is that like surfing? :lol:
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