by GreekIslandGirl » Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:50 pm
supporttheunderdog wrote:IT SAYS PRESS RELEASE IN THE HEADING - NOT DISCUSSION DOCUMENT in BOTH items.
by supporttheunderdog » Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:11 pm
Migration and Home Affairs Commissioner Dimitris Avramopoulos said: "If we want to maintain our internal area of free movement, we must better manage our external borders. This means that we will only save Schengen by applying Schengen. The Commission continuously monitors the implementation of the Schengen rules in all Schengen Member States. The draft Schengen evaluation report on Greece looks at the management of the external border during an evaluation visit of Member States and Commission experts in Greece in November. The report shows that there are serious deficiencies in the management of the external border in Greece. We know that in the meantime Greece has started undertaking efforts towards rectifying and complying with the Schengen rules. Substantial improvements are needed to ensure the proper reception, registration, relocation or return of migrants in order to bring Schengen functioning back to normal, without internal border controls. This is our ultimate common goal."
The draft report – which is not public – is based on unannounced site visits to the Greek-Turkish land border and to Chios and Samos conducted from 10 to 13 November 2015. The report looks at the presence of police and coast guard personnel on the inspected sites, the efficiency of the identification and registration process, sea border surveillance and cooperation with neighbouring countries. Whilst acknowledging that the Greek authorities are under pressure, the report notably finds that there is no effective identification and registration of irregular migrants and that fingerprints are not being systematically entered into the system and travel documents are not being systematically checked for the authenticity or against crucial security databases, such as SIS, Interpol and national databases. On this basis, the draft report concludes that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities.
Schengen Evaluation Mechanism
The Eighth bi-annual report on the functioning of the Schengen area of 15 December 2015 already announced that, depending on the results of the Schengen evaluations in Greece, specific measures as referred to in Article 19a and 26 of the Schengen Borders Code may be recommended.
If a Schengen Evaluation Report concludes that the evaluated Member State is "seriously neglecting its obligations under the Schengen rules" and if there are "serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border control", the Commission can propose recommendations, to be adopted by the Council, for remedial action to address any deficiencies identified during the evaluation. In order to ensure compliance with these recommendations, the Commission may, under Article 19a of the Schengen Borders Code, recommend that the evaluated Member State take certain specific measures, which may include the deployment of European border guard teams or the submission of a strategic plan setting out how the Member State will deploy its own personnel and equipment to address the concerns. The Commission's proposals must be adopted by a Committee of the Member States, acting by qualified majority. The evaluated Member State then has three months to complete the remedial actions.
Where, after three months, serious deficiencies persist and the measures taken have not proved sufficient to ensure the adequate remedy of these deficiencies, the Commission may trigger the application of the procedure provided for in Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code.
Under Article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code, if the measures under Article 19a have not been effective, the Council may, based on a proposal from Commission, recommend that one or more Member States reintroduce border controls at all or at specific parts of their internal borders as a matter of last resort, to protect the common interest of the Schengen area. The Council recommendation needs to be adopted by qualified majority.
Under Article 26, and in the exceptional circumstances described above, controls can be reintroduced for a period of up to six months. This measure can be prolonged for additional six month periods up to a maximum duration of two years.
IP/16/174
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by supporttheunderdog » Fri Feb 12, 2016 11:06 pm
by GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 13, 2016 12:21 am
supporttheunderdog wrote:http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/02/12-schengen-evaluation-of-greece/
And now it is finalised.... Or is this supposedly another discussion document?
Gig, what is your analysis?
In particular how do you square the comments in this official Eu press release that Greece has to improve certain aspects of its control of its external borders, and that a number of member states have problems in adequately controlling their extenal borders with your unsupported assertions that external border control is the responsibility of Frontex, ( which for the record it is not) and why is it that criticism has bern directed at , inter alia Greece and not Frontex For such failings?
What a pillock!The action recommended covers areas such as registration procedures, sea border surveillance, border check procedures, risk analyses, human resources and training, infrastructure and equipment and international cooperation.
by supporttheunderdog » Sat Feb 13, 2016 6:48 am
by GreekIslandGirl » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:16 am
supporttheunderdog wrote:Here is the Daily Mail's take , which I pass on as read, and without responsibility for the content, and where the views expressed are the of the writer of the DE item, http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/643642/SCHENGEN-CRUMBLES-Greece-to-be-KICKED-OUT-of-passport-free-zone-over-migrant-crisis..
What you have also not done is explain here in reply to my question the dichotomy between your assertion that Frontex is responsible for external borders, for which you rely on your own (mis) interpretation of a quote from an uncited source, and the very clear legal provisions contained in eg cl 4 of the preamble to EC regulation 2007/2004 which established Frontex and defined its role, and very clearly states that member states are responsible for external border management, nor why Greece, not Frontex, has been accused of being in serious violation and now has three months to get its act together or risk being suspended from Schengen.. which in my view has been threatened in one form or another as a possible sanction against Greece ever since the 8th Bienniel Schengen review, through clear and explicit references to the regulations (art 19b and arts 26 of the Schengen border code) in the context of Greece being in serious violation of its obligations as found in the November visits and reported in the press releases of 26th Jan and 3rd Feb, and where the 3 month clock under art 26 is now running.
How do you explain that?
So why do you never learn? Try: "Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me" You've been shamed repeatedly!
“Enforcement on the ground of EU rules is always a matter for the Member States. It is in first instance for the Member States to determine which measures are necessary and proportionate in order to facilitate the free movement of goods in their territory in a given situation,” the Commission said.
The Commission also said that it had been notified by the Greek (28/01) and Bulgarian (03/02) authorities about potential obstacles to the free movement of goods on their border in the context of the so-called Strawberry Regulation.
Expulsion from Schengen? Sanctions against Greece? Heard it all before by those who want to spread anti-Greek propaganda and have ignored the small print!The European Commission responded that there were no legal grounds to launch an infringement procedure or impose sanctions against Greece.
by supporttheunderdog » Sat Feb 13, 2016 11:30 pm
in your usual intellectually dishonest way you are trying to put words into my mouth.GreekIslandGirl wrote:supporttheunderdog wrote:http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2016/02/12-schengen-evaluation-of-greece/
And now it is finalised.... Or is this supposedly another discussion document?
Gig, what is your analysis?
In particular how do you square the comments in this official Eu press release that Greece has to improve certain aspects of its control of its external borders, and that a number of member states have problems in adequately controlling their extenal borders with your unsupported assertions that external border control is the responsibility of Frontex, ( which for the record it is not) and why is it that criticism has bern directed at , inter alia Greece and not Frontex For such failings?
Oh so now you agree that finally a report has been published as opposed to the discussion pursuing earlier!
these I think are the words that constitute the threat of possible sanction, from December last year...
It's already old news in view of the fact NATO are in to support Greece and Frontex ...
Still no materialization of Erolz's lying claims that the EU Commission was threatening to sanction Greece!
Depending on the results of the aforementioned Schengen evaluations, specific measures as referred in Article 19a SBC may be recommended. Should an evaluated Member State be found to be seriously neglecting its obligations and progress in rectifying the situation is insufficient, the use of Article 26 SBC (as described in section 2.2 of this report) can be invoked that implies reintroducing border control at internal borders where the overall functioning of the Schengen area is put at risk.
As I said:The action recommended covers areas such as registration procedures, sea border surveillance, border check procedures, risk analyses, human resources and training, infrastructure and equipment and international cooperation.
by GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:04 am
by GreekIslandGirl » Sun Feb 14, 2016 12:12 am
supporttheunderdog wrote: ...and if Greece does not implement adequately Greece risks having the sanction applied of being suspended from Schengen
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