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[Cap]

Tsipras the Marxist clown and Varoufakis are mere products of the old system before it imploded.
Just a part of the whole.
That's why they predictably failed.

[Paphitis]

Tsipras the Marxist clown and Varoufakis are mere products of the old system before it imploded.
Just a part of the whole.
That's why they predictably failed.

That's not true at all.

From all the indications, Tsipras and Variufakis are NOT anti EU or anti Eurozone. They want Greece to continue in the EU and within the Eurozone. They have not even taken issue with Greece's NATO membership yet.

They have been served an unworkable austerity program which will eventually break the Greek people and country.

It's now the time for Greeks to have their say about this.

I am in Greece right now as I write this. I am in a popular tourist place and most of the young hospitality workers are young Greeks who will not be allowed to vote because they are from Athens. Such a shame because it is they who should have a say.

[Nikitas]

Well said Cap, the old system. It is hard for non residents to understand how the Left can be the old guard and the status quo, but in Greece they are.

Fossilised minds regardless of biological age. This is a 40 year old man, an engineer, who rejected computerised voting in Universities (speech in parliament abolishing computerised voting last week). And then claims he wants Greece to be a regional hub for high tech investment.

[Cap]

Tsipras the Marxist clown and Varoufakis are mere products of the old system before it imploded.
Just a part of the whole.
That's why they predictably failed.

That's not true at all.

From all the indications, Tsipras and Variufakis are NOT anti EU or anti Eurozone. They want Greece to continue in the EU and within the Eurozone. They have not even taken issue with Greece's NATO membership yet.

They have been served an unworkable austerity program which will eventually break the Greek people and country.

It's now the time for Greeks to have their say about this.

I am in Greece right now as I write this. I am in a popular tourist place and most of the young hospitality workers are young Greeks who will not be allowed to vote because they are from Athens. Such a shame because it is they who should have a say.

And what happens if they vote 'yes'?
I'm thinking that's gonna be the outcome eventually...

[Nikitas]

Balls are no substitute for brains and negotiating skills. Primary negotiating skill is to understand your negotiating partners.

He paved his way into this crap when in his pre election speeches he made promises he could not deliver on, the famous Thessaloniki programme.

Second, he alienated his major negotiating partners with insults, "go back madame Merkel"

Third, he emptied his own sails when he spent FIVE hours in a get to know you meeting with "madame Merkel", thus losing at least one of his donkey sized balls.

Fourth, he threatened that we would be playing daoulia and the international markets would be dancing to our tune, and in Crete he told them we would play Lyra and they would dance Pentozali, well we are the ones dancing today, and not very pleasantly.

The man's political path has been communist all along, from the youth section of the KKE, he jumped to SYN, which later became Syriza.

Nothing wrong with being a communist, but there is something strange with cryptocommunists and hidden agendas. What is happening now is only explainable on the basis of a hidden agenda.

Debt sustainability is not taboo for the Europeans, Junker clearly stated last week that in the agreement Tsip rejected there was a clause for talks on sustainability in October. After wasting 117 days on nothing the dynamic duo could have waited three months for debt talks.

[Nikitas]

"And what happens if they vote 'yes'?"

The drachma hidden agenda will have dissolved. This lot in control of the money presses is a recipe for sure disaster. And the Europeans will have cut him down to size and then, after six months of wasted time, real negotiations will start. Hopefully this time with a serious negotiating team that will not be undermined by its own government with tweets in mid session (yes it happened on Friday).

The outcome naturally will make the Hardouvelis email of one billion austerity measures seem like a dream, but like the man said, you want to be a star fucker, you dont fuck with the stars.

As for the Europeans, they got to stop acting like pimps and insist on substantial changes in the justice system, the buraucracy that eats our time, in the little monopolies of petty vested interests (ie truck owners etc). And this time really insist and not tolerate any bullshit. A SIMPLE tax system that works fairly will help too.

[Paphitis]

Tsipras the Marxist clown and Varoufakis are mere products of the old system before it imploded.
Just a part of the whole.
That's why they predictably failed.

That's not true at all.

From all the indications, Tsipras and Variufakis are NOT anti EU or anti Eurozone. They want Greece to continue in the EU and within the Eurozone. They have not even taken issue with Greece's NATO membership yet.

They have been served an unworkable austerity program which will eventually break the Greek people and country.

It's now the time for Greeks to have their say about this.

I am in Greece right now as I write this. I am in a popular tourist place and most of the young hospitality workers are young Greeks who will not be allowed to vote because they are from Athens. Such a shame because it is they who should have a say.

And what happens if they vote 'yes'?
I'm thinking that's gonna be the outcome eventually...

If Greece votes YES then its ability to negotiate a more acceptable deal would be marginalized. The way I see it, it will be a "take it or leave it scenario"

If Greece votes NO, then its negotiating power will increase tenfold. For the first time, the IMF will not be able to push Greece around with unacceptable demands.

The worst case scenario is that Greece will default on more payments, will be forced out of the Eurozone but not out of the EU. Inflation will be huge and it will be tough times in the short term. Well they are already tough now.

Sometimes, in business it is better to declare bankruptcy and start over. Greece might be blessed with this but it will be outside of the international markets for a while and will not be able to borrow.

What might follow is a boom which has never been seen in Greece for a long time.

[Paphitis]

Oh and don't be so sure about a YES vote.

Greeks are literally pissed off and view all this as an attack against their αξιοπρέπεια!

There is a lot of unemployment and most pensioners are below the poverty line now. Most of them are probably going to vote NO.

Those who have businesses, and money are probably going to vote YES.

I do see trouble ahead. My take on this is that Nationalism is beginning to froth. Greeks are showing amazing resilience but they are no one's slaves. They will burn the house down if necessary. Corner them and they will come out fighting.

[Paphitis]

Balls are no substitute for brains and negotiating skills. Primary negotiating skill is to understand your negotiating partners.

He paved his way into this crap when in his pre election speeches he made promises he could not deliver on, the famous Thessaloniki programme.

Second, he alienated his major negotiating partners with insults, "go back madame Merkel"

Third, he emptied his own sails when he spent FIVE hours in a get to know you meeting with "madame Merkel", thus losing at least one of his donkey sized balls.

Fourth, he threatened that we would be playing daoulia and the international markets would be dancing to our tune, and in Crete he told them we would play Lyra and they would dance Pentozali, well we are the ones dancing today, and not very pleasantly.

The man's political path has been communist all along, from the youth section of the KKE, he jumped to SYN, which later became Syriza.

Nothing wrong with being a communist, but there is something strange with cryptocommunists and hidden agendas. What is happening now is only explainable on the basis of a hidden agenda.

Debt sustainability is not taboo for the Europeans, Junker clearly stated last week that in the agreement Tsip rejected there was a clause for talks on sustainability in October. After wasting 117 days on nothing the dynamic duo could have waited three months for debt talks.

A YES vote will mean you have absolutely zero negotiating clout.

They will then come out and say that the Greek people have had their say and now sign here please.

Greece has been sold!

Vote NO and see the "European Partners" start doing cartwheels.

[Pyrpolizer]

In addition voting NO means:
The Eu will force them out of the Euro. They will (pretend) that they not go out willingly. Legal measures follow claiming huge damages.
Forgotten claims from Germany for WWII damages follow next.
The German bank BundensBank -whatever may go bankrupt.
The German Banks in case you don't know it ALREADY have huge problems, which of course they masterfully currently sweep under the carpet.