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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Aug 16, 2019 7:23 am

Londonrake wrote:Damn! Looks like WW3 is averted again. :(

Thanks it seems to those hated British US poodles and their puppet courts.

Seized Iran tanker to be released in Gibraltar https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49362182

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It should never have been 'arrested' in the first place on what were US driven trumped up charges.

It was the Gibraltar Supreme Court .... not the UK Courts, that released Grace I, in spite of attempts by the US to stop it. The UK has lost enough face already, as I said previously, the UK has had a load of Lawyers trying to find a way out to save face, no doubt at great cost to the taxpayer ..... and they couldn't. They are still mumbling about 'having had assurances from Iran!' Although nothing in writing to refer to, which, if it were true, I am sure the UK would have released to the press

BUT ..... strictly just my lateral thinking ..... I would not be surprised to see the US use its ships in the region to re-arrest it and take it to a friendly port, ....... even Limassol? The US will not accept defeat and allow this ship any freedom of navigation. The US will find some way to stop it! :roll:
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Lordo » Fri Aug 16, 2019 12:13 pm

we have been in ww3 for decades but you boys do not even realise it. this one is not with military weapons but with economic weapons. west, russia and china have been at economic war with developing world strippin ghtem of their resources on the cheap and selling them weapons in return.

continue with your slumber and wait for a military ww3. it aint gona happen not at the scale of ww2, instead it has been and will be fought in little wars country by country.
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Aug 16, 2019 4:06 pm

Lordo wrote:we have been in ww3 for decades but you boys do not even realise it. this one is not with military weapons but with economic weapons. west, russia and china have been at economic war with developing world strippin ghtem of their resources on the cheap and selling them weapons in return.

continue with your slumber and wait for a military ww3. it aint gona happen not at the scale of ww2, instead it has been and will be fought in little wars country by country.


I found out all about this 'war' about 18 years ago and when discussed with most people it establishes you as a 'foil-cap-wearing-conspiracy-theorist-nut-job' ! Now, those that were so quick to jump on my back then have now become experts on the subject at least 18 years too late!

But it actually goes back over a hundred years and was precipitated by the banking system! We are now seeing people wake up to that fact but still most people don't have clue! :roll:

IMO: As for not being like WWII, you may be right initially but it will go from the scenario you see to something far worse than WWII ....... with just one small miscalculation, a reaction in response and then WWIII proper all in a matter of minutes! Just like the 'economic' war was predictable over time ...... so is the ultimate war. :shock: :wink:
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:16 pm

Robin Hood wrote:It should never have been 'arrested' in the first place on what were US driven trumped up charges.

It was the Gibraltar Supreme Court .... not the UK Courts, that released Grace I, in spite of attempts by the US to stop it. The UK has lost enough face already, as I said previously, the UK has had a load of Lawyers trying to find a way out to save face, no doubt at great cost to the taxpayer ..... and they couldn't. They are still mumbling about 'having had assurances from Iran!' Although nothing in writing to refer to, which, if it were true, I am sure the UK would have released to the press

BUT ..... strictly just my lateral thinking ..... I would not be surprised to see the US use its ships in the region to re-arrest it and take it to a friendly port, ....... even Limassol? The US will not accept defeat and allow this ship any freedom of navigation. The US will find some way to stop it! :roll:


Thanks for posting in the appropriate thread. Instead of in a totally unrelated one about Israel, where you seemed to think my adding a single sentence, relating to the country next door that's been in conflict with them for over 70 years was in some way wrong (do you get the hypocritical aspect?)

My understanding is that the Grace was arrested in Gibraltarian waters, suspected of violating EU sanctions against Syria (I don't accept your obfuscating and as usual bog-down in minutia excuse). Gibraltar was entirely and legally in the right to do so.The law states that they can then hold the ship for 30 days, in order to investigate the circumstances. It seems that they have now been assured by Iran that the ship is not bound for Syria. So the court there is allowing the vessel to leave, despite cries of outrage from the US.

Like the Russian ship bound for Syria in 2012, carrying 60 tons of armaments, held here in Cyprus by the Christofias government, subsequently assured by Putin that it's destination was Turkey - then released, only of course to end up in Syria, I am not holding my breath on that one.

Rewind:

Iran threatened revenge******* for the incident and subsequently seized a British flagged ship in Omani waters. The initial excuse was that it was in Iranian waters and violating maritime law. Subsequently that was changed to its ignoring Iranian comms and being in collision with one of their fishing vessels. It was then directed at gunpoint to Iran. That truly was an act of international piracy. Iran's threat carried out.

You of course are entirely in agreement, as you always are with these events. It's another of the dictatorships you so admire and of course you like Iran's penchant for revenge.

An example:

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IN 2013, after an attack on Iranian border guards by Sunni insurgents from Pakistan, where 14 were killed, the Iranians dragged 16 prisoners who were accused but not proven to be from the same organisation out of their prison cells. Those men had absolutely nothing to do with the border incident. The Iranians hanged them all, publicly proclaiming that it was an act of revenge.

Your response? "Seems fair enough".

I would ask, that if Israel did the same to Hamas prisoners after a similar incident what your response would have been? Assuredly, absolutely not "Seems fair enough".

You're a serial apologist for just about any act carried out by your pet dictatorships. The only qualification for your support is their being anti-West. You are not a lateral thinker - and certainly not an outside the box kind - you just parrot and defend whatever excuses these regimes come up with and in that you excel, having an admirable 100% record. Given that, your habit of accusing others of "not thinking" is risible and - what's that word?
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:40 am

As I predicted just 24 hrs ago ......... as the Worlds No.1 bully, your friends are soooo predictable!

But ..... the ship is now under the Iranian flag not a flag of convenience, it has also changed its name. Any attempt to seize this ship will be piracy and an act of war. Will the US be so driven by conceit and hubris that they would risk that? My guess is ...... YES.... and then if it happens, blame Iranian aggression and will IMO quite likely use that distortion of events to facilitate an Israel attack on Iran!

BTW: As I pointed out to you, it is NOT contrary to EU sanctions to supply Syria with oil, only to import it. That is why the Gibraltar Court released it ..... there was no case to answer. But the MSM conveniently miss that bit off their coverage. :roll:

US issues warrant for Iranian oil tanker in Gibraltar

“The US Justice Department stated that the move is based on violations of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and bank fraud, money laundering, and terrorism forfeiture statutes.”

https://www.dw.com/en/us-issues-warrant-for-iranian-oil-tanker-in-gibraltar/a-50060275



FYI: The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), Title II of Pub.L. 95–223, 91 Stat. 1626, enacted October 28, 1977, is a United States federal law authorizing the president to regulate international commerce after declaring a national emergency in response to any unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States.

So, once again the US bends and misapplies its own Law, note NOT International Law, to get its own way. How is this tanker several thousand miles from the US a ‘.....threat to the United States’? WTF has it got to do with the US at all? :x
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Londonrake » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:16 pm

Robin Hood wrote:As I predicted just 24 hrs ago ......... as the Worlds No.1 bully, your friends are soooo predictable!

But ..... the ship is now under the Iranian flag not a flag of convenience, it has also changed its name. Any attempt to seize this ship will be piracy and an act of war. Will the US be so driven by conceit and hubris that they would risk that? My guess is ...... YES.... and then if it happens, blame Iranian aggression and will IMO quite likely use that distortion of events to facilitate an Israel attack on Iran!

BTW: As I pointed out to you, it is NOT contrary to EU sanctions to supply Syria with oil, only to import it. That is why the Gibraltar Court released it ..... there was no case to answer. But the MSM conveniently miss that bit off their coverage. :roll:

US issues warrant for Iranian oil tanker in Gibraltar

“The US Justice Department stated that the move is based on violations of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), and bank fraud, money laundering, and terrorism forfeiture statutes.”

https://www.dw.com/en/us-issues-warrant-for-iranian-oil-tanker-in-gibraltar/a-50060275



FYI: The International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), Title II of Pub.L. 95–223, 91 Stat. 1626, enacted October 28, 1977, is a United States federal law authorizing the president to regulate international commerce after declaring a national emergency in response to any unusual and extraordinary threat to the United States which has its source in whole or substantial part outside the United States.

So, once again the US bends and misapplies its own Law, note NOT International Law, to get its own way. How is this tanker several thousand miles from the US a ‘.....threat to the United States’? WTF has it got to do with the US at all? :x


But "my friends" don't appear to have gotten their way, do they? :? It'll be interesting to see after Iran's assurances where the Ghost (or whatever) now ends up.

So, why wasn't Iran's seizure of the Steno Impero piracy and an act of war? Clearly, that was the case. A couldn't be more obvious - publicly threatened - act of retaliation. Carried out in another nation's territorial waters. You don't want to talk about that though, do you? What's that word again?

Oh no! The old Israel attacks Iran chestnut. Will they use their nuclear weapons, as threatened? Will your (obvious) dream finally come true? Anyway, still waiting on proof of that one from you. Although, as always, when you're wrong we just get the deathly silence routine. Which, I'm not complaining about. :lol:

But you agree then? Wow! Gibraltar's court has looked at the case and released the ship. :?

It seems to me that the US doesn't have to engage in any military brinkmanship. They just need to wait for sanctions to turn Iran into a North Korea type, economic basket case.

Conversely, what would help Iran is if there were an attack upon them with Iranians killed (they don't seem to give a shit about their own people). That would justify all sorts of (third party - you're favourite!) things. The problem is that attack can't be seen to come in retaliation for casualties from Iranian aggression (defeats the object). Thus the reason why they've been trying to stir things up - mining ships, shooting down drones, etc - inviting reprisals, whilst denying it all (there's your cue!) and falling over backwards not to incur casualties from their efforts.

No comment on the "Seems fair enough" hypocrisy. No - I thought not. :wink: More? in 1979, when they were hanging people from cranes in the streets of Tehran your response "Just settling old scores". They still do that actually. In fact, public executions in Iran are commonplace. Better watch out if you happen to be gay. Also, if you're a political prisoner they'll have no compunction in hanging you publicly from a crane. To avoid an outcry they'll call you a "drug trafficker". There's lot's of this stuff about Iran for you to admire - whilst slagging of the West (including your own country). Wait! Isn't that a bit ..................

December 2018, Aziz Akbarian chairman of the Parliament’s Committee on Industries and Mines says in an interview with the local Alborz Radio, “If two people are thoroughly flogged and if two people are executed . . . it will be a lesson for everyone else,”

But, let's not dwell on that sort of boring thing. Let's instead do frothing mouth indignation over some pathetic Trump tweet. What's that word?

Yes, the peace loving Republic of Iran. Barbarians more like. Right up your street. :wink:
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Aug 18, 2019 11:52 am

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Pity you always have to lace your replies with sarcasm to give them impact!
But "my friends" don't appear to have gotten their way, do they? It'll be interesting to see after Iran's assurances where the Ghost (or whatever) now ends up.

But ‘your friends’ never give up do they? They will not let Iran get one up on them, that’s almost a certainty! Time will tell and we won’t have to wait too long.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52111.htm
So, why wasn't Iran's seizure of the Steno Impero piracy and an act of war? Clearly, that was the case. A couldn't be more obvious - publicly threatened - act of retaliation. Carried out in another nation's territorial waters. You don't want to talk about that though, do you? What's that word again?

It was ‘piracy’, every bit as much as the UK’s actions! The Iranians used exactly the same MO as the UK Government. They simply used ‘The Law of the Sea’ as a convenient excuse. I believe the Iranians claimed the incident happened in Iranian territorial waters not ‘...another nations waters’ as the UK claimed and, as the vessel had turned off its transponder :roll: there is no way of proving or disproving that statement.
Oh no! The old Israel attacks Iran chestnut. Will they use their nuclear weapons, as threatened? Will your (obvious) dream finally come true? Anyway, still waiting on proof of that one from you. Although, as always, when you're wrong we just get the deathly silence routine. Which, I'm not complaining about.

Netanyahu has threatened Iran numerous times let’s hope his mouth doesn’t overtake common sense? But he will never make a move unless the US is covering his arse! I somehow don’t think the US or Israel would be stupid enough to use nuclear weapons in a first strike. Obviously Iran won’t as they have no nuclear weapons. Like Nth. Korea, they have good reason to have little trust in any promises made by the US or Israel as both have proved unreliable in the past.
But you agree then? Wow! Gibraltar's court has looked at the case and released the ship.

They had no evidence that Iran had committed any breach of EU sanctions as I demonstrated to you. No doubt very shortly the UK vessel will be released after maybe paying a small fine just to show there was no reciprocal agreement, so that the UK/US don’t lose face! :?
It seems to me that the US doesn't have to engage in any military brinkmanship. They just need to wait for sanctions to turn Iran into a North Korea type, economic basket case.

You missed out Venezuela, Russia, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Cuba, Gaza/Palestine and all the other numerous economic ‘enemies’ of the US! So you are OK with the US imposing unilateral sanctions on any country it feels like, anywhere in the World and on any pretext, even on its allies if they don’t do as the US tells them? Nord Stream 2 .... ring a bell? Or, like the effect of the US sanctions enforced by the EU on the Polish farming communities, who have collapsed because of the sanctions on Russia? The Poles now have no one else to sell their apples and tomatoes to. Then the Polish Government agrees to pay 20bn to house ‘Camp Trump’ in Poland and buy a bunch of F-35’s to ‘..... counter Russian aggression!’ :lol: I can tell you that a very large number of Polish people do not like that at all.
Conversely, what would help Iran is if there were an attack upon them with Iranians killed (they don't seem to give a shit about their own people). That would justify all sorts of (third party - you're favourite!) things. The problem is that attack can't be seen to come in retaliation for casualties from Iranian aggression (defeats the object). Thus the reason why they've been trying to stir things up - mining ships, shooting down drones, etc - inviting reprisals, whilst denying it all (there's your cue!) and falling over backwards not to incur casualties from their efforts.

Oh I get it ..... you are now an expert on Iran as well? Iranian aggression? ..... don’t give shit about their own people?......stirring things up? ..... shooting down a drone (in their airspace)? ........ mining ships (accused of by the US)....... and you of course just ignore the likely probability that your opinion, as that is all it is, might just be wrong ?
No comment on the "Seems fair enough" hypocrisy. No - I thought not. More? in 1979, when they were hanging people from cranes in the streets of Tehran your response "Just settling old scores". They still do that actually. In fact, public executions in Iran are commonplace. Better watch out if you happen to be gay. Also, if you're a political prisoner they'll have no compunction in hanging you publicly from a crane. To avoid an outcry they'll call you a "drug trafficker". There's lot's of this stuff about Iran for you to admire - whilst slagging of the West (including your own country). Wait! Isn't that a bit ..................

Settling old scores was exactly what happened, you should read the history of the days of the Shah and his CIA trained SAVAK ! They still do that do they, so that it can be spread around on social media to boost Iran's image? I suggest that is nothing more than your rather distorted and ever so slightly biased opinion ..... nothing tangible of course, just that old gut feeling you have that never fails you?
December 2018, Aziz Akbarian chairman of the Parliament’s Committee on Industries and Mines says in an interview with the local Alborz Radio, “If two people are thoroughly flogged and if two people are executed . . . it will be a lesson for everyone else,”

Didn’t Trump say in a speech he was all for more torture .... and that killing the wives and children of the overseas enemies of America with drones, was fully justified as it will be a lesson for the ‘terrorists’? Didn’t he also threaten to rain death and destruction on North Korea ‘....like the World has never seen before’ and similar nuclear rhetoric and threats against Iran? Before you start on what people say ......... you should look to what your bullying friend and his side kicks across the pond say ! People in glass houses ....... and all that? :roll:
But, let's not dwell on that sort of boring thing. Let's instead do frothing mouth indignation over some pathetic Trump tweet. What's that word?

Hypocrisy> .... isn’t that the pillar for all your rant’s? Although you seem completely incapable of recognising your own posts are full of HYPOCRISY.
Yes, the peace loving Republic of Iran. Barbarians more like. Right up your street.

I repeat ...... they have attacked no other country in over 300 years .... but lost a million people in the 80’s in a war sponsored by your friends, who supplied Iraq with the weapons, including the gas! It is a pity the same propensity to promote peace, can’t be said for the US and the Israeli’s as clearly as is indicated by Iran’s record...... what’s that word? Now out of those three, given their previous record, which would be the least likely to start a war?

How could you possibly know what Iran is like, you have never been there and all your information is second hand from Western anti-Iran sources. Very impartial .... not. :roll:

Maybe if instead of sarcasm you applied pragmatism you would get your opinion over without pissing me off!!! :x
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Londonrake » Sun Aug 18, 2019 8:52 pm

But - now you're in full flow and I suspect enjoying it. Is that not the case? Where would this be without my or Paphitis input? That's the conundrum. You spit bile and seem to wish away the very people that keep you in the game. If we weren't so involved, yours would surely be a voice in the wilderness? Ironic, isn't it?

You make the same mistake you always have. You equate my opposition to your anti-US posts as support for them. That isn't really the case. I've said many times that I'm no fan of Trump, I think he's, at the very least, a diplomatic disaster. My only real "support" is being pissed off with what I see as "the lady doth protest too much" stuff. I'm actually pretty indifferent to the US, although, I gratefully acknowledge their past major contribution to the life that myself and my family enjoy now. I do dislike what I perceive as your (for some reason) - paranoid and obsessive hatred of the USA. For you it overrides absolutely everything else. It doesn't matter what any butchering tyrant does on this planet, that's irrelevant. All that matters is that they're anti-west/Israel/USA in order for them to gain your 100% support. Basically, that's a bit of a mental issue I think. It certainly isn't "lateral" or "thinking outside the box" stuff. Actually, you run on entirely predictable rails.

After long experience and giving them what I think is a fair crack of the whip, I've absolutely no interest at all in anything anybody on the likes of informationclearinghouse has to say. See previous posts on the subject.

It doesn't matter how many times you say something. :lol: Iran threatened retaliation after the Ghost incident. Do you really think any British flagged ship would transit the straits through Iranian waters after that? Come on - do try really hard to use that thing called - common sense. I'm sure though you will always believe whatever Tehran (like Moscow) tells you to believe. Bahhhhhh! So speaks a critic of those that don't "think outside the box" :lol:

Another opinion para on Iran/US/Israel/Nuclear. Any proof yet of that nuclear threat you spoke about? No, I thought not. Does that mean you were wrong? Well, who knows, could be a first. :roll:

The Ghost was released within the legally required 30 days. Whether the Stena will be we have to wait and see. Where the Ghost ends up, after Iranian assurances that it wouldn't go to Syria - we will also have to wait see. What happened to the Ghost was legal though. What happened to the Stena was an illegal act of revenge (with your full - hypocritical - support).

Your next para covers most of what's happening on Earth according to you right now. So, I will just skip that I think.

My "opinion" on Iran is pretty much backed up by the evidence. I appreciate that's an embarrassing thing - reality - but there you go. If you want to look any of what I said up you will find plenty of pretty impartial evidence, Not of course that you're likely to. :lol:

Your next para is (trying desperately to avoid that word you're so fond of "rant") like the previous, pretty all encompassing.

Trump is not my "friend". I think I covered that. I'm glad you brought up North Korea though as it is another example of your hypocrisy.

Israel's nuclear weapons. For years now you've posted scathing accounts about them. Although of course you can't seem to prove some of your claims.

Whatever - Israel's policy has always been to neither confirm nor deny.

North Korea - in contravention of those UN resolutions that you are (very hypocritically) so - depending - fond of have:

Developed and tested Nuclear weapons.

Developed and tested ballistic missiles. Including versions capable of carrying nuclear warheads as far as the US west coast and to most of Europe.

Provocatively fired ICBM missiles into the sea. Including some which have flown over Japan.

Repeatedly flown short/medium range missiles into the sea in order to threaten South Korea.

There are more examples. However, let's round if off with the fact that they have paraded such supposedly nuclear tipped missiles through the streets of Pyongyang.

In response you have fully supported these events. Forgive the Anglo Saxon but it is that sort of forum - in this regard you appear to be totally fucking bonkers :eyecrazy: . You seem to be the only person outside of N Korea who thinks that a third generation, nepotistic dictator who, like his Grandpa and Dad has bent his entire nation to his paranoid primary obsession of regime survival, is a good thing. That, to the point where he has (like Gaius Caligula) even had his own Brother and Uncle murdered.

It defies belief to most (not me of course) that you seem to feel quite glad that such a person should have full and final control over weapons which are pretty much capable of vaporising any major city in Europe. It's hard to find words to describe the mental state of somebody with that view. I suspect seriously ill though wouldn't be an exaggeration. Although, I do have this naive hope that it might just convince you of what a total bleddin' hypocrite you are.

Yet - you seem absolutely oblivious to the in yer face, bleedin' hypocrisy involved in holding those two positions. Please - do read 1984 - with (if there's anything left of in there of it) an open mind :(

Hypocrisy. Well, nobody's perfect and I suspect there's an element of truth in what you say. Although, as far as your are concerned, well, you really are a special case. The best I have ever known.

I don't care if Iran has never attacked another country in a zillion years. They (well, just like you) prefer the third party approach. They have a lot of troops in Iraq - legally of course, according to international law. Well, the ones anyway which suit your (hypocritical) agenda that is. They train, fund and supply Hezbollah in Lebanon. That in order to do their third party ( :wink: ) dirty work against Israel. They also train, fund and supply the shiite rebels in Yemen. Not so legal that one I suppose, although, I'm sure that won't attract the sort of condemnation you have for those who do the same in Syria. What's that word?

How could I know what Iran is like - I have never been there. AHHHHHHHHHHHH!. Actually - I have! But that's another story. In your case, you've never set foot in any sort of financial institution as an employee at all - ever - but that doesn't stop you supposedly being an "expert" on money. So much so that you claim you know more about it than a man who spent 40 years in the game. Starting as a runner in the City of London then ultimately becoming a leading national figure in one of the UK's largest banks. When you do arrogance - you really do it BIG. Well, just like hypocrisy actually. Anyway, that applies to quite a lot of things which you - tap, tap, tap - claim expertise in. You don't need to be a Sherlock Holmes to see the hypocrisy there. :wink: But, when anybody else tries to relate a lifetime of experience - well, they're always out trumped by your tap, tap, tap "research" of course. I think your latest area of expertise on the forum has been radar. That showed 'em!

Look - where are you going with all this? I understand you believe in the Jekyll and Hyde thing but personally and consistently I've always found vitriolic exchanges on forums and bonhomie lunches to be mutually exclusive. I would regard it as being - what's that word? I'll go with whatever way you want though but it's a your decision thing. What's your pleasure?
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Re: World War III coming soon?

Postby Robin Hood » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:32 am

LR:
I would not insult you with a TLDR put down, as I did read it. I started to reply but realised it would be a complete waste of my time as your response was too loaded for anything other than another lengthy and pointless ‘defence’.

The whole diatribe is a filibuster to ensure you either get no reply, as will be the case, or you get a reply that you can then respond to with another lengthy self inflated denunciation.

What is missing from your lengthy rant is, of course, a reply to any of the questions I raised? :roll:

As I said ..... this thread is dead ........ but of course the ‘GRACE 1’ saga continues ........ as predicted!
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