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[erolz66]

The problem is that you want for yourselves "rights" which are not justified for an 18% minority (and which you don't give to minorities in Turkey).

A 18% minority of what ? All those who live on the island of Cyprus ? We have been round and round this so many times Sotos. You believe that the right of self determination of peoples is actually a right to self determination of those who make up a numerical majority within a given 'place'. It is not - such an interpretation is nothing to do with the principles and ideals and spirit of that fundamental right from which all others derive. It is just a convenient interpretation for you if your objective is GC can seek any future for Cyprus including giving it to Greece and TC have no right to any effective say in such decisions.

Without a greater commonality that makes us all Cypriots regardless of our other differences then all we are two separate and different peoples who live on the same Island. If we are two separate and different peoples then we have a separate an equal right to self determination of PEOPLES. Which means you can not simply force us, a separate and different people to you to agree that WE give up our homeland to Greece without any effective say in that decision.

I do not believe that we are separate and different people that both live on Cyprus. I believe we are a single people, based on us having commonalties to each other that are greater than our differences, commonality of genes, of culture, of behaviour of habits of foods of traditions of language even and of the land that we were born in and has shaped us. I believe a Cyprus without TC is a culturally poorer Cyprus just as one without GC is also. However this is something we have to choose. However wanting, believing in and striving for a Cyprus where to be Cypriot means more than if you are a GC or TC is not something that can be done by one person or one community alone.

[Sotos]

Sotos and all like-minded idiots from the past, is why Cyprus is partially enslaved by Turks. If anything TCs should be grateful that such idiots existed (and apparently still exist) or there wouldn’t be a “TRNC” today… let’s face it.

Once a year TCs should hold a festival and invite Sotos and a few other idiots to celebrate their collaboration with Turkey to grant you a state.

A statue of Sotos at a busy square is in order.

It’s high time TCs started giving credit where credit is due!

Well said!

Seems like the Turks like GR better... probably the idiot wonders why

[erolz66]

Sotos and all like-minded idiots from the past, is why Cyprus is partially enslaved by Turks. If anything TCs should be grateful that such idiots existed (and apparently still exist) or there wouldn’t be a “TRNC” today… let’s face it.

I would be grateful if what I really wanted was what we have today, a Cyprus riven by division. TC who believe like Sotos that we are in fact two separate and different peoples who live on the same Island may be grateful to him. As a TC who does NOT believe this and dreams of a different future for all Cypriots than that which we have achieved to date since the end of colonial rule I am not grateful at all. Such views just depress me.

[erolz66]

Seems like the Turks like GR better... probably the idiot wonders why

Is it the 'Turks' who like GR better or is it those Cypriots who refuse to accept that GC and TC are in fact two different and separate people with far more things that make them different from each other than those things that make both Cypriot, that like GR perspective better ?

[cypriotnado]

Seems like the Turks like GR better... probably the idiot wonders why

Is it the 'Turks' who like GR better or is it those Cypriots who refuse to accept that GC and TC are in fact two different and separate people with far more things that make them different from each other than those things that make both Cypriot, that like GR perspective better ?

Numerous Greek and Turkish Cypriots work constructively and daily for a United Cyprus. Don't be depressed by these morons. They are fossils trapped by hatred. They are racist, bitter and twisted and unable to move on or to argue with any logic. What is encouraging Is that this type of stupidity is now increasingly being challenged within each community.

[Sotos]

The problem is that you want for yourselves "rights" which are not justified for an 18% minority (and which you don't give to minorities in Turkey).

A 18% minority of what ? All those who live on the island of Cyprus ? We have been round and round this so many times Sotos. You believe that the right of self determination of peoples is actually a right to self determination of those who make up a numerical majority within a given 'place'. It is not - such an interpretation is nothing to do with the principles and ideals and spirit of that fundamental right from which all others derive. It is just a convenient interpretation for you if your objective is GC can seek any future for Cyprus including giving it to Greece and TC have no right to any effective say in such decisions.

Without a greater commonality that makes us all Cypriots regardless of our other differences then all we are two separate and different peoples who live on the same Island. If we are two separate and different peoples then we have a separate an equal right to self determination of PEOPLES. Which means you can not simply force us, a separate and different people to you to agree that WE give up our homeland to Greece without any effective say in that decision.

I do not believe that we are separate and different people that both live on Cyprus. I believe we are a single people, based on us having commonalties to each other that are greater than our differences, commonality of genes, of culture, of behaviour of habits of foods of traditions of language even and of the land that we were born in and has shaped us. I believe a Cyprus without TC is a culturally poorer Cyprus just as one without GC is also. However this is something we have to choose. However wanting, believing in and striving for a Cyprus where to be Cypriot means more than if you are a GC or TC is not something that can be done by one person or one community alone.

You are an ethnic minority:

a ​group of ​people of a ​particular ​race or ​nationality ​living in a ​country or ​area where most ​people are from a different ​race or ​nationality

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/diction ... c-minority

Therefore yes... a minority of all those who live on the island of Cyprus, and your rights should be those of any other ethnic minority in any other country. Such rights do NOT include a right to have a separate state on land where you are a minority, neither a right of unilaterally blocking the democratic choices of the people in Cyprus. What you have a right for is your human and minority rights and of course you have a right for a proportional say for the decisions taken for Cyprus - emphasis on the PROPORTIONAL. Even if you consider yourselves different "people", and even with the documents you presented (in the past), at most those would grand you a right for controlling your own cultural affairs... not land on which we are the majority, or veto powers (apart maybe for those cultural issues). With that I don't mean that I want to be separate from you in any way. I just recognize the fact that we are different and this is something that existed for centuries... not something we created in the 50s. And as we agreed many times the enosis cause belongs in the past... so now we are just debating the principle... which I think we have done to death already so lets not repeat ourselves again!!

[Sotos]

Seems like the Turks like GR better... probably the idiot wonders why

Is it the 'Turks' who like GR better or is it those Cypriots who refuse to accept that GC and TC are in fact two different and separate people with far more things that make them different from each other than those things that make both Cypriot, that like GR perspective better ?

Those who like his perspective are those who want to put the blame on the GCs and excuse the crimes of Turkey against Cyprus. GRs position provides to them a kind of "alibi"

[Sotos]

Seems like the Turks like GR better... probably the idiot wonders why

Is it the 'Turks' who like GR better or is it those Cypriots who refuse to accept that GC and TC are in fact two different and separate people with far more things that make them different from each other than those things that make both Cypriot, that like GR perspective better ?

Numerous Greek and Turkish Cypriots work constructively and daily for a United Cyprus. Don't be depressed by these morons. They are fossils trapped by hatred. They are racist, bitter and twisted and unable to move on or to argue with any logic. What is encouraging Is that this type of stupidity is now increasingly being challenged within each community.

What does "United Cyprus" mean for you? How many governments? How much discrimination based on ethnicity? How much land from what you stole from us you get to keep? Fucking hypocrite

[GreekIslandGirl]

Moan moan moan ...

British Defence and Overseas Policy May 1964

5. ... efforts should be concentrated on easing the path to the unitary state, e.g. by providing U.N. safeguards for the minority and by giving financial and other assistance for the resettling of those Turkish Cypriots to whom Cyprus may no longer appear a tolerable home.

Your opinions and my opinions come outside such official sources!

Can't say fairer than that.

The opinion of the British diplomat who made the suggestion ....

The official document is rather more important than your own inflated opinions on the matter.

[erolz66]

Such rights do NOT include a right to have a separate state on land where you are a minority,.....

Round and round we go. It really is VERY simple.

The right to self determination applies to PEOPLES. Not to nations, not to all those in a given area - but to PEOPLES and it applies to such, despite the difficulties and ambiguities around what constitutes a people for very good reason.

Nothing establishes that TC had a separate and equal right to self determination along side that of GC at the end of colonial rule than an insistence like yours that we were and are in fact two separate and different peoples. If we were two separate and different peoples then by definition we had separate rights to self determination of peoples.