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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:46 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:There does seem to be some debate as to whether Turkey is blocking the passage of Russian ships, or simply doing all it can to slow them down, but I can't find any reliable sources for this yet.


Tim,

It appears that Turkey is blocking the straights from Russian Shipping.

I was able to find a couple of Russian ships which appear to be stranded in unusual spots. More investigation required.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... :41/zoom:9
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:48 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:There does seem to be some debate as to whether Turkey is blocking the passage of Russian ships, or simply doing all it can to slow them down, but I can't find any reliable sources for this yet.


Tim,

It appears that Turkey is blocking the straights from Russian Shipping.

I was able to find a couple of Russian ships which appear to be stranded in unusual spots. More investigation required.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... :41/zoom:9

:roll: Not good enough. Capture the screen and then go back an hour or two later to see if it’s moved on. :lol:
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:49 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:There does seem to be some debate as to whether Turkey is blocking the passage of Russian ships, or simply doing all it can to slow them down, but I can't find any reliable sources for this yet.


Tim,

It appears that Turkey is blocking the straights from Russian Shipping.

I was able to find a couple of Russian ships which appear to be stranded in unusual spots. More investigation required.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... :41/zoom:9


Some people are saying that they are using delaying tactics to make passage as slow and difficult as possible, rather than blocking passage outright, which conceivably could be done without breaking the letter of the convention. Stranded or just kept waiting while bits of paper are messed about with?
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:55 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:There does seem to be some debate as to whether Turkey is blocking the passage of Russian ships, or simply doing all it can to slow them down, but I can't find any reliable sources for this yet.


Tim,

It appears that Turkey is blocking the straights from Russian Shipping.

I was able to find a couple of Russian ships which appear to be stranded in unusual spots. More investigation required.

http://www.marinetraffic.com/en/ais/hom ... :41/zoom:9


Some people are saying that they are using delaying tactics to make passage as slow and difficult as possible, rather than blocking passage outright, which conceivably could be done without breaking the letter of the convention. Stranded or just kept waiting while bits of paper are messed about with?


That could be the case but others are saying there is a blockade.

No official statement from Turkey and sources seem very sketchy, and unreliable. The traditional mainstream media have not jumped on the bandwagon.

There is however a Signa link claiming a blockade.

I would t call them reliable because they're owned by His Beastitude who supports an Orthodox War against Turkey. :lol:

We have our sectarian war lords too Tim. Such is the backward mentality of some. DAESH eat your heart out I say.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:23 pm

Meanwhile, the following show how interdependent Russia and Turkey are on one another:

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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Tim Drayton » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:25 pm

There is nothing in the Turkish media and just a report on a Turkish language website about Russian affairs saying this was a report on the Russia Today TV station but Russian military sources say it is not true. There are no reports that I can find in any truly reliable sources.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Paphitis » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:43 pm

Meanwhile, Spudnik is reporting that Turkish subs are following Russian Cruiser Moskva.

http://m.sputniknews.com/asia/20151201/ ... -ship.html
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby erolz66 » Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:49 pm

Sotos wrote: The term "Roman" does not refer to an ethnicity. As it is mentioned in the video ethnicities as they exist today did not exist in that time. While the empire obviously had a lot of different people (like every other empire) the western (and parts of the northern) coast of Anatolia had a Greek population since before the empire was created. Clearly the land that the Greeks could take back are those specific territories. The Kurds and Armenians should take the eastern parts. I think the Turks can all fit in the center of Anatolia... especially after their population is adjusted based on the formula "kill 1 Turk for every Greek, Armenian, Kurd etc the Turks have ever killed" ;)


Way off topic but 'she' did not say hand it back to Greeks, she said hand it back to Greece. You can not give something back to an entity than never had it before. She could have said hand it back to Greeks or hand it to Greece, but saying hand it back to Greece is not correct. Some people call me pedantic.
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby Get Real! » Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:16 pm

NATO should dump Turkey before it rebuilds Ottoman Empire
http://www.pravdareport.com/world/asia/ ... _turkey-0/

Turkey, Fighter Planes, Oil & Disgusting Common Connections
http://journal-neo.org/2015/12/01/turke ... nnections/

Saudi Conflicts With Iran, Russia Set to Leave Oil Price Low
http://sputniknews.com/business/2015120 ... licts.html

Russian lawmaker wants Turkish nationalist organization recognized as terrorist group
http://tass.ru/en/politics/840541
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Re: Turkey shoots down a Russian jet

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Tue Dec 01, 2015 6:17 pm

erolz66 wrote:
Sotos wrote: The term "Roman" does not refer to an ethnicity. As it is mentioned in the video ethnicities as they exist today did not exist in that time. While the empire obviously had a lot of different people (like every other empire) the western (and parts of the northern) coast of Anatolia had a Greek population since before the empire was created. Clearly the land that the Greeks could take back are those specific territories. The Kurds and Armenians should take the eastern parts. I think the Turks can all fit in the center of Anatolia... especially after their population is adjusted based on the formula "kill 1 Turk for every Greek, Armenian, Kurd etc the Turks have ever killed" ;)


Way off topic but 'she' did not say hand it back to Greeks, she said hand it back to Greece. You can not give something back to an entity than never had it before. She could have said hand it back to Greeks or hand it to Greece, but saying hand it back to Greece is not correct. Some people call me pedantic.


I wouldn't say you're pedantic, just stupid, mostly.

It doesn't matter that "Greece" is today called "Greece" in English - it is the entity which has entitlement to Constantinople and surroundings. After all, there was never such an entity as "Turkey" until less than a century ago and you would have no problem equating that area as 'belonging to Turkey'.

Give over with your hypocrisy and accept you are continually wrong on facts and seek only to divert by pseudo-pedantry.
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