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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Sotos » Thu Aug 16, 2018 11:57 am

I wish! That site is in top 100 of the world. I read somewhere they get 20+ million visitors per day. They must be making many millions.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Cap » Sun Aug 26, 2018 4:44 pm

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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Cap » Sun Sep 02, 2018 4:28 pm

The road to a new record...
Not Canada, not Oz, not USA, not NZ, not GB.
But Larnaca, Republic of Cyprus.

'At 95, war vet breaks own record as oldest scuba diver'


https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/09/01/at-9 ... uba-diver/

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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Sun Sep 02, 2018 11:20 pm

Cap wrote:The road to a new record...
Not Canada, not Oz, not USA, not NZ, not GB.
But Larnaca, Republic of Cyprus.

'At 95, war vet breaks own record as oldest scuba diver'


https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/09/01/at-9 ... uba-diver/

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He went down 41 meters for 44 minutes.

I call bullshit! Quite obviously, Cyprus mail is full of crap.

The guy would be dead right now with the bends.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Cap » Mon Sep 03, 2018 5:58 pm

??
It was filmed and documented Paphiti.
Nothing to do with CY Mail.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 04, 2018 9:46 am

Cap wrote:??
It was filmed and documented Paphiti.
Nothing to do with CY Mail.


Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

Without the Nitrox mix, his blood would have the effervescence of a Coca Cola drink and he would either be in a decompression chamber or dead.

PADI has a limit of 38m and that is for advance divers. To let a 95 year old break these safety guidelines is nothing short of utter stupidity.

Peaple need to get their facts right. The Zenobia wreck dive is only 18m but everyone claims 42 m because that is the bottom depth of the wreck. So everyone just over dramatizes and sensationsalize the story that a 95 year old dived down to 41m for 44 minutes. At that depth and that amount of time, the guy would need several decompression stops and wouldn't be able to carry enough oxygen either.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

Without the Nitrox mix, his blood would have the effervescence of a Coca Cola drink and he would either be in a decompression chamber or dead.

PADI has a limit of 38m and that is for advance divers. To let a 95 year old break these safety guidelines is nothing short of utter stupidity.

Peaple need to get their facts right. The Zenobia wreck dive is only 18m but everyone claims 42 m because that is the bottom depth of the wreck. So everyone just over dramatizes and sensationsalize the story that a 95 year old dived down to 41m for 44 minutes. At that depth and that amount of time, the guy would need several decompression stops and wouldn't be able to carry enough oxygen either.


You do type some old bollocks on this forum Paphitis but this takes the biscuit… :lol:

Firstly, Nitrox would be the last thing he would need! Nitrox allows divers to spend more time at shallower depths as it contains less Nitrogen. Oxygen becomes poisonous as you dive deeper and 41m is beyond the safe depth of any Nitrox mix.

It is absorbed nitrogen that gives you Decompression sickness if you return to the surface too quickly. Nitrox contains a larger %’age of Oxygen and less Nitrogen allowing you to stay underwater for longer with a shorter decompression. But the maximum depth for Nitrox is 34m because of Oxigen Toxicity.

Secondly, there is no mention of PADI… check the pictures in the article – it has clearly been organised by BSAC.

I used to lead dives on the Zenobia every week – the bottom depth is as you say just over 40m and I went there often – it is perfectly safe.

He didn’t stay on the bottom for 44 minutes, I’d imagine he just stopped there briefly and registered it on his dive computer (I did it often, the alarm would go off!) and the whole dive was 44 minutes almost certainly including a slow ascent and a safety stop at 5m (they have a ‘swing’ that you can sit on to decompress at 5m).

And lastly, the tanks contain compressed air – not Oxygen. It would be perfectly normal to dive on the Zenobia with air, visit the bottom return to the surface and do it again in the afternoon – in fact, that is what they do every day.

I can’t help but think that pretending to be knowledgeable about subjects that you are clearly clueless about might damage your credibility on the forum.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Get Real! » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:04 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:I can’t help but think that pretending to be knowledgeable about subjects that you are clearly clueless about might damage your credibility on the forum.

:? I’ll have you know that Paphitis’ confidence comes from the fact that he has no credibility to defend. 8)
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby Paphitis » Tue Sep 04, 2018 4:43 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Well it's very odd there Cap because they are claiming 41m. He would have needed a special Nitrox mix to pull that off and at this man's age it would be bordering on insanity.

Without the Nitrox mix, his blood would have the effervescence of a Coca Cola drink and he would either be in a decompression chamber or dead.

PADI has a limit of 38m and that is for advance divers. To let a 95 year old break these safety guidelines is nothing short of utter stupidity.

Peaple need to get their facts right. The Zenobia wreck dive is only 18m but everyone claims 42 m because that is the bottom depth of the wreck. So everyone just over dramatizes and sensationsalize the story that a 95 year old dived down to 41m for 44 minutes. At that depth and that amount of time, the guy would need several decompression stops and wouldn't be able to carry enough oxygen either.


You do type some old bollocks on this forum Paphitis but this takes the biscuit… :lol:

Firstly, Nitrox would be the last thing he would need! Nitrox allows divers to spend more time at shallower depths as it contains less Nitrogen. Oxygen becomes poisonous as you dive deeper and 41m is beyond the safe depth of any Nitrox mix.

It is absorbed nitrogen that gives you Decompression sickness if you return to the surface too quickly. Nitrox contains a larger %’age of Oxygen and less Nitrogen allowing you to stay underwater for longer with a shorter decompression. But the maximum depth for Nitrox is 34m because of Oxigen Toxicity.

Secondly, there is no mention of PADI… check the pictures in the article – it has clearly been organised by BSAC.

I used to lead dives on the Zenobia every week – the bottom depth is as you say just over 40m and I went there often – it is perfectly safe.

He didn’t stay on the bottom for 44 minutes, I’d imagine he just stopped there briefly and registered it on his dive computer (I did it often, the alarm would go off!) and the whole dive was 44 minutes almost certainly including a slow ascent and a safety stop at 5m (they have a ‘swing’ that you can sit on to decompress at 5m).

And lastly, the tanks contain compressed air – not Oxygen. It would be perfectly normal to dive on the Zenobia with air, visit the bottom return to the surface and do it again in the afternoon – in fact, that is what they do every day.

I can’t help but think that pretending to be knowledgeable about subjects that you are clearly clueless about might damage your credibility on the forum.


The article said he was at 41m for 44m.

Do BSAC let 95 year olds go to 41m do they. I would like to see their insurance policy.

There is no way PADI let anyone do it when their tables only go to 38 m with standard oxygen bottles.

When you are at 41m for 44 minutes, then the poor bastard would have to have been on Ntrox Enriched bottles (bottles with a more than 21% nitrogen) otherwise he wouldn't be alive.

https://www.scubadiving.com/nitrox-scub ... ion#page-3

Unless of course he was only at 41m for a couple of minutes, which is possible but it is still stupid and it isn't safe at all - not for you and especially not for a 95 year old. PADI tables only take you down to 38m and if BSAC allow more than that then I am unaware of it.

This is what Cyprus Mail claim:

Dozens of divers accompanied Ray as he dived down to 40.6 metres for 44 minutes and the entire process was filmed, photographed and documented in line with guidelines approved by Guinness World Records.


Once again, I call bullshit.

they did not say he went down to 41m for a couple of minutes.
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Re: All roads eventually lead to Cyprus...

Postby cyprusgrump » Tue Sep 04, 2018 7:10 pm

Paphitis wrote:The article said he was at 41m for 44m.

Do BSAC let 95 year olds go to 41m do they. I would like to see their insurance policy.

There is no way PADI let anyone do it when their tables only go to 38 m with standard oxygen bottles.

When you are at 41m for 44 minutes, then the poor bastard would have to have been on Ntrox Enriched bottles (bottles with a more than 21% nitrogen) otherwise he wouldn't be alive.

https://www.scubadiving.com/nitrox-scub ... ion#page-3

Unless of course he was only at 41m for a couple of minutes, which is possible but it is still stupid and it isn't safe at all - not for you and especially not for a 95 year old. PADI tables only take you down to 38m and if BSAC allow more than that then I am unaware of it.

This is what Cyprus Mail claim:

Dozens of divers accompanied Ray as he dived down to 40.6 metres for 44 minutes and the entire process was filmed, photographed and documented in line with guidelines approved by Guinness World Records.


Once again, I call bullshit.

they did not say he went down to 41m for a couple of minutes.


Your ignorance of the subject under discussion really is a joy to behold! It really is the only reason I logged-in after so many years!
Paphitis wrote:The article said he was at 41m for 44m.


A tiny bit ambiguous perhaps but anybody that knows anything about diving would have realised that it meant he dived fro 44mins (descent, touch the bottom, ascent, deco) and went to 41m…

Paphitis wrote:Do BSAC let 95 year olds go to 41m do they. I would like to see their insurance policy.



I am PADI trained but I not the BSAC max depth is 50m, this guy has been diving since before I was born and so perhaps it is no surprise that he was able to go to 40m…?

Paphitis wrote:There is no way PADI let anyone do it when their tables only go to 38 m with standard oxygen bottles.


As mentioned above, we don’t dive with Oxygen as is is poisonous at depth. We dive with compressed air, ‘enriched air’ (Nitrox) under certain conditions and technical divers use more complex mixes (heliox) to reduce the effects of Nitrogen and Oxygen on the body at depth. The use of ‘Oxygen bottles’ shows your ignorance of the subject – I bet you’d call them ‘goggles’ and ‘flippers’ too!

Paphitis wrote:When you are at 41m for 44 minutes, then the poor bastard would have to have been on Ntrox Enriched bottles (bottles with a more than 21% nitrogen) otherwise he wouldn't be alive.


Again, your ignorance of the subject screams from the page. Nitrox, or enriched air has reduced levels of Nitrogen and increased levels of Oxygen. It certainly doesn’t have increased levels of Nitrogen. As I explained earlier, Oxygen is poisonous at depth and Nitrox is designed to increase underwater time at shallow depths while reducing the chances of Nitrogen Narcosis or Decompression sickness...

Paphitis wrote:Unless of course he was only at 41m for a couple of minutes, which is possible but it is still stupid and it isn't safe at all - not for you and especially not for a 95 year old. PADI tables only take you down to 38m and if BSAC allow more than that then I am unaware of it.



You seem unaware of anything relating to scuba diving.

You don’t know what goes in the tanks, you certainly don’t know what Nitrox is and you don't know what BSAC limits are…

As I said, I dived the Zenobia twice a day, once, sometimes twice a week for a year. I know a bit about it.

There is a saying about digging holes but I can’t quite remember it – perhaps you can remind me…?
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