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[Cap]

I haven't done Zenobia, but i've done half a dozen dives.
At 95, hitting centenarian status, even 10 meters underwater for 10 minutes with full gear is pretty fu**ing remarkable.

[Paphitis]

I haven't done Zenobia, but i've done half a dozen dives.
At 95, hitting centenarian status, even 10 meters underwater for 10 minutes with full gear is pretty fu**ing remarkable.

Yes of course it is remarkable that this man is leading an active lifestyle at 95 and is diving. If he got to the Zenobia even at 20 or so metres, it is a great effort.

Not to detract from this man's remarkable achievement, it's just I hate the media embellishing and sensationalizing the truth.

It just means that people just can't take anything these days as fact or truth.

[Paphitis]

The article said he was at 41m for 44m.

Do BSAC let 95 year olds go to 41m do they. I would like to see their insurance policy.

There is no way PADI let anyone do it when their tables only go to 38 m with standard oxygen bottles.

When you are at 41m for 44 minutes, then the poor bastard would have to have been on Ntrox Enriched bottles (bottles with a more than 21% nitrogen) otherwise he wouldn't be alive.

https://www.scubadiving.com/nitrox-scub ... ion#page-3

Unless of course he was only at 41m for a couple of minutes, which is possible but it is still stupid and it isn't safe at all - not for you and especially not for a 95 year old. PADI tables only take you down to 38m and if BSAC allow more than that then I am unaware of it.

This is what Cyprus Mail claim:

Dozens of divers accompanied Ray as he dived down to 40.6 metres for 44 minutes and the entire process was filmed, photographed and documented in line with guidelines approved by Guinness World Records.

Once again, I call bullshit.

they did not say he went down to 41m for a couple of minutes.

Your ignorance of the subject under discussion really is a joy to behold! It really is the only reason I logged-in after so many years!

The article said he was at 41m for 44m.

A tiny bit ambiguous perhaps but anybody that knows anything about diving would have realised that it meant he dived fro 44mins (descent, touch the bottom, ascent, deco) and went to 41m…

Do BSAC let 95 year olds go to 41m do they. I would like to see their insurance policy.

I am PADI trained but I not the BSAC max depth is 50m, this guy has been diving since before I was born and so perhaps it is no surprise that he was able to go to 40m…?

There is no way PADI let anyone do it when their tables only go to 38 m with standard oxygen bottles.

As mentioned above, we don’t dive with Oxygen as is is poisonous at depth. We dive with compressed air, ‘enriched air’ (Nitrox) under certain conditions and technical divers use more complex mixes (heliox) to reduce the effects of Nitrogen and Oxygen on the body at depth. The use of ‘Oxygen bottles’ shows your ignorance of the subject – I bet you’d call them ‘goggles’ and ‘flippers’ too!

When you are at 41m for 44 minutes, then the poor bastard would have to have been on Ntrox Enriched bottles (bottles with a more than 21% nitrogen) otherwise he wouldn't be alive.

Again, your ignorance of the subject screams from the page. Nitrox, or enriched air has reduced levels of Nitrogen and increased levels of Oxygen. It certainly doesn’t have increased levels of Nitrogen. As I explained earlier, Oxygen is poisonous at depth and Nitrox is designed to increase underwater time at shallow depths while reducing the chances of Nitrogen Narcosis or Decompression sickness...

Unless of course he was only at 41m for a couple of minutes, which is possible but it is still stupid and it isn't safe at all - not for you and especially not for a 95 year old. PADI tables only take you down to 38m and if BSAC allow more than that then I am unaware of it.

You seem unaware of anything relating to scuba diving.

You don’t know what goes in the tanks, you certainly don’t know what Nitrox is and you don't know what BSAC limits are…

As I said, I dived the Zenobia twice a day, once, sometimes twice a week for a year. I know a bit about it.

There is a saying about digging holes but I can’t quite remember it – perhaps you can remind me…?

Oh no you don't! I have done diving alright and am well familiar with descending and the ascend and decompression stops at 10m and 5m and so on.

But the article said, he was at 41m for 44 minutes. That is pretty fucking clear cut to me.

Most people reading that article would not know anything about diving. Therefore, 99% of people will take this as literal. I who have dived take it literal. I do not leave anything up for any interpretation in things like diving, flying planes or jumping out of them and so on.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving. How do we know that this article causes a half baked "diver" to try this without the right training and without a buddy or spare oxygen and who don't even know how to interpret the tables to try it?

I'm PADI accredited. I am not an expert diver by any means. I dived for fun and recreation, not as a professional, but I do know bullshit when I read it. I do not know anything about BSAC acreditation because I am not accredited under that body, but I doubt there will be any huge difference to the fundamentals.

[cyprusgrump]

I can’t help but think that pretending to be knowledgeable about subjects that you are clearly clueless about might damage your credibility on the forum.

I’ll have you know that Paphitis’ confidence comes from the fact that he has no credibility to defend.

[cyprusgrump]

Oh no you don't! I have done diving alright and am well familiar with descending and the ascend and decompression stops at 10m and 5m and so on.

But the article said, he was at 41m for 44 minutes. That is pretty fucking clear cut to me.

Most people reading that article would not know anything about diving. Therefore, 99% of people will take this as literal. I who have dived take it literal. I do not leave anything up for any interpretation in things like diving, flying planes or jumping out of them and so on.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving. How do we know that this article causes a half baked "diver" to try this without the right training and without a buddy or spare oxygen and who don't even know how to interpret the tables to try it?

I'm PADI accredited. I am not an expert diver by any means. I dived for fun and recreation, not as a professional, but I do know bullshit when I read it. I do not know anything about BSAC acreditation because I am not accredited under that body, but I doubt there will be any huge difference to the fundamentals.

No need for the swearing potty mouth!

Look you’ve embarrassed yourself by showing a complete lack of knowledge about diving but posting as though you are an expert. You’ve done it again on this post with the laughable mention of taking ‘spare Oxygen’. I wouldn’t buddy with you and I doubt if any other qualified diver would be keen either.

Now you’re trying to divert attention to the article. Really?

I agree it is ambiguous but guess what, it is the Cyprus Mail. Do you think they have a diving expert on hand to write articles about diving? Do you think they have a team of ‘experts’ available when an article comes in about food, driving or anything else?

I can tell you what probably happened; they got a press release with a nice photo and decided to use it. A junior editor then hacked it about, probably deleted a load of stuff he didn’t understand (like bottom time, deco times, etc.) so it wasn’t too long and bang, it went to pixel. That is how it works – you can spot complete howlers in the mainstream press all the time.

But most (sensible) people realise that and therefore don’t rush off to the beach with their tank of Oxygen under their arm and their flippers and goggles! Most people won’t understand (or care) what the implications of 44mins at 41m are – they’ll be thinking, “Wow, what an amazing guy! I hope I can be as fit as him at his age!”, which is really what the point of the article was…

And BTW, there is a huge difference between PADI and BSAC accreditation.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving.

In which case, why did you post complete, utter bullshit about Nitrox when you clearly have no understanding of what it is or what it is used for?

[CBBB]

Oh no you don't! I have done diving alright and am well familiar with descending and the ascend and decompression stops at 10m and 5m and so on.

But the article said, he was at 41m for 44 minutes. That is pretty fucking clear cut to me.

Most people reading that article would not know anything about diving. Therefore, 99% of people will take this as literal. I who have dived take it literal. I do not leave anything up for any interpretation in things like diving, flying planes or jumping out of them and so on.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving. How do we know that this article causes a half baked "diver" to try this without the right training and without a buddy or spare oxygen and who don't even know how to interpret the tables to try it?

I'm PADI accredited. I am not an expert diver by any means. I dived for fun and recreation, not as a professional, but I do know bullshit when I read it. I do not know anything about BSAC acreditation because I am not accredited under that body, but I doubt there will be any huge difference to the fundamentals.

No need for the swearing potty mouth!

Look you’ve embarrassed yourself by showing a complete lack of knowledge about diving but posting as though you are an expert. You’ve done it again on this post with the laughable mention of taking ‘spare Oxygen’. I wouldn’t buddy with you and I doubt if any other qualified diver would be keen either.

Now you’re trying to divert attention to the article. Really?

I agree it is ambiguous but guess what, it is the Cyprus Mail. Do you think they have a diving expert on hand to write articles about diving? Do you think they have a team of ‘experts’ available when an article comes in about food, driving or anything else?

I can tell you what probably happened; they got a press release with a nice photo and decided to use it. A junior editor then hacked it about, probably deleted a load of stuff he didn’t understand (like bottom time, deco times, etc.) so it wasn’t too long and bang, it went to pixel. That is how it works – you can spot complete howlers in the mainstream press all the time.

But most (sensible) people realise that and therefore don’t rush off to the beach with their tank of Oxygen under their arm and their flippers and goggles! Most people won’t understand (or care) what the implications of 44mins at 41m are – they’ll be thinking, “Wow, what an amazing guy! I hope I can be as fit as him at his age!”, which is really what the point of the article was…

And BTW, there is a huge difference between PADI and BSAC accreditation.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving.

In which case, why did you post complete, utter bullshit about Nitrox when you clearly have no understanding of what it is or what it is used for?

I see you still have your deep sea diving helmet on!

[cyprusgrump]

Oh no you don't! I have done diving alright and am well familiar with descending and the ascend and decompression stops at 10m and 5m and so on.

But the article said, he was at 41m for 44 minutes. That is pretty fucking clear cut to me.

Most people reading that article would not know anything about diving. Therefore, 99% of people will take this as literal. I who have dived take it literal. I do not leave anything up for any interpretation in things like diving, flying planes or jumping out of them and so on.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving. How do we know that this article causes a half baked "diver" to try this without the right training and without a buddy or spare oxygen and who don't even know how to interpret the tables to try it?

I'm PADI accredited. I am not an expert diver by any means. I dived for fun and recreation, not as a professional, but I do know bullshit when I read it. I do not know anything about BSAC acreditation because I am not accredited under that body, but I doubt there will be any huge difference to the fundamentals.

No need for the swearing potty mouth!

Look you’ve embarrassed yourself by showing a complete lack of knowledge about diving but posting as though you are an expert. You’ve done it again on this post with the laughable mention of taking ‘spare Oxygen’. I wouldn’t buddy with you and I doubt if any other qualified diver would be keen either.

Now you’re trying to divert attention to the article. Really?

I agree it is ambiguous but guess what, it is the Cyprus Mail. Do you think they have a diving expert on hand to write articles about diving? Do you think they have a team of ‘experts’ available when an article comes in about food, driving or anything else?

I can tell you what probably happened; they got a press release with a nice photo and decided to use it. A junior editor then hacked it about, probably deleted a load of stuff he didn’t understand (like bottom time, deco times, etc.) so it wasn’t too long and bang, it went to pixel. That is how it works – you can spot complete howlers in the mainstream press all the time.

But most (sensible) people realise that and therefore don’t rush off to the beach with their tank of Oxygen under their arm and their flippers and goggles! Most people won’t understand (or care) what the implications of 44mins at 41m are – they’ll be thinking, “Wow, what an amazing guy! I hope I can be as fit as him at his age!”, which is really what the point of the article was…

And BTW, there is a huge difference between PADI and BSAC accreditation.

Everything has to be concise and clear and media need to cater to the lowest common denominator, in this case being people who do not dive and who know nothing about diving.

In which case, why did you post complete, utter bullshit about Nitrox when you clearly have no understanding of what it is or what it is used for?

I see you still have your deep sea diving helmet on!

Yes, it is my special Nitrox helmet - no doubt Paphitis owns one too!

[Sotos]

cyprusgrump, you are Ray Woolley! You are both divers, both British, both living in Cyprus, both extremely old, and the day this record dive was set was September 1st, the day that you celebrated your 13th anniversary as a member of the Cyprus Forum! All these couldn't possibly be coincidences!

[RichardB]

cyprusgrump, you are Ray Woolley! You are both divers, both British, both living in Cyprus, both extremely old, and the day this record dive was set was September 1st, the day that you celebrated your 13th anniversary as a member of the Cyprus Forum! All these couldn't possibly be coincidences!

Reh Sotos you got nothing better to do today?

[cyprusgrump]

cyprusgrump, you are Ray Woolley! You are both divers, both British, both living in Cyprus, both extremely old, and the day this record dive was set was September 1st, the day that you celebrated your 13th anniversary as a member of the Cyprus Forum! All these couldn't possibly be coincidences!

Well, there are some amazing coincidences there but I'm not quite as 'extremely' old as Ray Wooly!

You have to admire him, it would be great to be as fit and healthy as him if/when I finally get there...