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[Pyrpolizer]

The old prejudices come out. What does it matter if he was gay?

What old prejudices man? Homosexuality is nothing new it existed for thousands of years.
And people over the ages knew exactly which forms of homosexuality are normal and which are not.
It's actually the modern society that tries to blur the issue by putting everyone even the Lesbians in the same basket using the over-generalized term of "gay people".

[Paphitis]

He was without morals, an embarrassment to Cypriots all over the world...

Precisely!

Both of you are an embarrassment for having such intolerant and hateful views.

Its views like that which put the younger ones we need to nurture into an early grave.

You mean being racist as well as intolerant like this is OK then ?

GIG: "The Peyia Pensioners' site is closing down"..............Paphitis: "Good! Hopefully Pyrgos closes down too!"

Too right!

[Paphitis]

He was without morals, an embarrassment to Cypriots all over the world...

Precisely!

Both of you are an embarrassment for having such intolerant and hateful views.

Its views like that which put the younger ones we need to nurture into an early grave.

Who puts young ones into an early grave ?
George was not a " young one" , he went astray after becoming famous, Lost it mate. Give us one reason why any Cypriot should be ....proud of George.
getting your dick out in a public toilet for any other reason than to have a piss isn't exactly .....admirable. Cruising the streets at night whilst under the influence of influence of cocaine and picking up strangers for a fuck isn't again admirable. He was a great artist but also a great piss artist.

Don't be a fool.

George Michael was a Drug User for a long time and it is a fact how intolerance can have undesirable effects on young people which can manifest itself in many ways.

Firstly, suicide rates among the homosexual community in most countries is disproportionate of the mean average. Drug use is also disproportionate. Suicide among middle aged men is also disproportionate and that is overlooked but that's another story entirely.

Let's put George to one side for one second because he did have many other pressures in his life such as no privacy, and family squabbling which I am sure took its toll on him.

People's sexual preferences are no one's business and everyone has a right to live their life in dignity and be respected as Human Beings. It is fundamental Human Rights here. Homosexuality is something that can effect ANY Cypriot family. There are probably thousands of Cypriot kids who are gay. Some will come out and others won't. Some will resort to Drugs and some may commit suicide.

I am pretty sure no Cypriot parent will want to be faced with the prospect of burying a Son or daughter.

No parent should be faced with that, but unfortunately it happens.

We are in the year 2017 now. Grow up!

[Paphitis]

The old prejudices come out. What does it matter if he was gay? It did not take away from but may well have contributed to his song writing and it certainly does not take away from the many private acts of generosity that he performed with no desire for profit from any publicity.

George had apparently told his parents in 1991 (some years before the LA "cottage" incident) that he was Gay. As for the "Lewd Behavior" arrest I would not be surprised if the Police had not used some sort of entrapment - I think the words used were "pretty policeman".

What cannot be blamed on the Police are the incidents where George was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs, in one case into a shop. The Drug taking, which sadly seemed to be part and parcel of the entertainment world, the pop music world in particular, may well have done for him. Tragic.

I should add that George did many charitable acts. He didn't want to be named either or seen to benefit from this generosity. it was true altruism and good on him for that.

he was noted for giving money to his friends as well. Ask for money and he would write a cheque no questions asked.

As for the Drink Driving, well how many Cypriots actually drive their vehicles drunk in Cyprus? I'm talking about respectable family men, often with children in the car. It happens Stud. it happens a lot because you can get away with it in Cyprus unless you have a crash.

In the UK, it's Russian roulette. You will get caught eventually. police are always patrolling pulling over cars and testing the driver.

If you are as Rich as George Michael is, you are probably prone to taking more risks because you don't care. You don't rely on your vehicle to get to work. You can get someone to drive you wherever you want to go. If you do need to go to court, you can afford a good lawyer too, so any penalty is like meh to them.

[Paphitis]

I had an incident with this guy when I was a kid. His mother urged my mother to go visit them and play with him. They were rich and his bedroom was full of male toys, lead soldiers, "podosferaki" (how the hell is that called in English) guns, whathaveyou. I got thrilled from all those toys, but by the minute I touched them and disturbed the tidy order he had them, he got angry and started screaming like crazy.
I told myself what is this guy, he has so many toys and all he cares is just to have them tidy in his room?? Very strange! I never went to his house to play ever since. I had other more "normal" friends...

But you see, you think your normal is normal when that might not be the case.

What you describe above to me sounds pretty normal. I always say that cleanliness is next to Godliness. I am one of those guys who likes a very tidy and minimalist functional household. Everything has its place and I hate mess with a passion. I do that to make my life easy. When I want something I know where it is and everything is structured to make my life easy.

There is nothing unusual about it.

You didn't understand.I described that, as one of the earliest indications of what that boy was. I was just a Kid then, I paid no attention to it neither did I draw any conclusions.That came yeeears later after I grew up and I understood the world. I think I was about 30 when I saw him again after so many years within a group of gays at Taktakala square. I am sure his parents were recipients of 100s such indications and were doing all they could in pushing him into becoming a normal boy. They were buying him the most expensive and attractive toys they were inviting other boys to play with him etc etc. The boy was simply unresponsive. We grew up in the same little town we then went to nearby schools. I could see him growing up, and I collected more indications, for one he was always playing with girls, and I heard from other guys they were knitting and playing with dolls lol.
For me this boy was of that specific category of gay people who are born like that and I have nothing against them.
But I am totally against people who become gays for reaching new heights in sex. It's the same thing like using cocaine to reach new heights in mood.George Michael was clearly of this category.

How do you know what category he is in? That is way too simplistic for me.

Seriously doubt playing with girls or dolls has any correlation with being gay either.

I'm not sure you can just decide to be gay either. Either you are or you're not kind of thing.

George would have been a very popular guy with the girls there is no doubt about it. I mean let's face it, he was a very good looking guy and he was very artistic as well and very comfortable and confident with himself. Every girl would have wanted him.

In his heyday, all the teenage girls were drooling over him and had posters of him in their bedroom.

[miltiades]

He was without morals, an embarrassment to Cypriots all over the world...

Precisely!

Both of you are an embarrassment for having such intolerant and hateful views.

Its views like that which put the younger ones we need to nurture into an early grave.

Who puts young ones into an early grave ?
George was not a " young one" , he went astray after becoming famous, Lost it mate. Give us one reason why any Cypriot should be ....proud of George.
getting your dick out in a public toilet for any other reason than to have a piss isn't exactly .....admirable. Cruising the streets at night whilst under the influence of influence of cocaine and picking up strangers for a fuck isn't again admirable. He was a great artist but also a great piss artist.

Don't be a fool.

George Michael was a Drug User for a long time and it is a fact how intolerance can have undesirable effects on young people which can manifest itself in many ways.

Firstly, suicide rates among the homosexual community in most countries is disproportionate of the mean average. Drug use is also disproportionate. Suicide among middle aged men is also disproportionate and that is overlooked but that's another story entirely.

Let's put George to one side for one second because he did have many other pressures in his life such as no privacy, and family squabbling which I am sure took its toll on him.

People's sexual preferences are no one's business and everyone has a right to live their life in dignity and be respected as Human Beings. It is fundamental Human Rights here. Homosexuality is something that can effect ANY Cypriot family. There are probably thousands of Cypriot kids who are gay. Some will come out and others won't. Some will resort to Drugs and some may commit suicide.

I am pretty sure no Cypriot parent will want to be faced with the prospect of burying a Son or daughter.

No parent should be faced with that, but unfortunately it happens.

We are in the year 2017 now. Grow up!

Intolerance against a habitual drug user ???? Should we applaud such a habit? Do we tell our kids that taking drugs is ....good for them ? Mate you are, once again, just as on the Syrian issue, WRONG. Perhaps we should encourage our youngsters to ...indulge in this dangerous and more often than not, fatal habit, and assure them that we will be tolerant . George Michael was indeed a great artist but lost the plot, he could not handle it and ended HIS life.
What a great shame, here was a young talented man adored the world over even after his disgraceful behaviour in a public toilet in the USA and his incessant cruising at night looking for casual sex. I would not consider such behaviour as appropriate for anyone.
I do hope that his 80 year old father and the rest of his family come to terms with this family tragedy.

[Paphitis]

This post just proves your intolerance and lack of understanding.

No one asked you to applaud it, but being narrow-minded and failing to understand why young people are taking their lives or resorting to crime and drugs isn't going to work and you can thank you lucky stars you never had to deal with it because no doubt you would have stuffed it up big time.

One thing you don't do is judge them or talk down to them. You got to be their bedrock and that is not done with a stick or you saying you know better than they do.

As to the behavior in the toilet! mate, George has a 10 million dollar property on Sydney Harbour. His properties in LA, London and the UK are worth just as much if not more. When he stayed in Hotels in was always in Penthouses on the most exclusive properties that you can't afford.

Think about it and then get back to me.

[supporttheunderdog]

People's sexual preferences are no one's business and everyone has a right to live their life in dignity and be respected as Human Beings. It is fundamental Human Rights here. Homosexuality is something that can effect ANY Cypriot family. There are probably thousands of Cypriot kids who are gay. Some will come out and others won't. Some will resort to Drugs and some may commit suicide.

I am pretty sure no Cypriot parent will want to be faced with the prospect of burying a Son or daughter.

No parent should be faced with that, but unfortunately it happens.

How true.

[supporttheunderdog]

The old prejudices come out. What does it matter if he was gay? It did not take away from but may well have contributed to his song writing and it certainly does not take away from the many private acts of generosity that he performed with no desire for profit from any publicity.

George had apparently told his parents in 1991 (some years before the LA "cottage" incident) that he was Gay. As for the "Lewd Behavior" arrest I would not be surprised if the Police had not used some sort of entrapment - I think the words used were "pretty policeman".

What cannot be blamed on the Police are the incidents where George was arrested for driving under the influence of drugs, in one case into a shop. The Drug taking, which sadly seemed to be part and parcel of the entertainment world, the pop music world in particular, may well have done for him. Tragic.

I should add that George did many charitable acts. He didn't want to be named either or seen to benefit from this generosity. it was true altruism and good on him for that.

he was noted for giving money to his friends as well. Ask for money and he would write a cheque no questions asked.

As for the Drink Driving, well how many Cypriots actually drive their vehicles drunk in Cyprus? I'm talking about respectable family men, often with children in the car. It happens Stud. it happens a lot because you can get away with it in Cyprus unless you have a crash.

In the UK, it's Russian roulette. You will get caught eventually. police are always patrolling pulling over cars and testing the driver.

If you are as Rich as George Michael is, you are probably prone to taking more risks because you don't care. You don't rely on your vehicle to get to work. You can get someone to drive you wherever you want to go. If you do need to go to court, you can afford a good lawyer too, so any penalty is like meh to them.

Yes there was the case last week of the family man who put his 3 yo kid in hospital when he piled his car up when apparently 6 times OTT, where the chances are the poor child was not properly secured in car seat, if they even had a car seat. IMHO anyone caught endangering kids by not securing them should get a big fine and a ban: Prison if they crash while doing it, certainly if they crash while over the limit.

Do not by the way restrict Drunk driving to Cypriots. I am well aware of Brits and Russians who also drive while over the limit, but getting away with it here in Cyprus does not excuse it here or in the UK, and why FFS when the guy was loaded (both with cash and drugs) did he NOT employ a driver?

The Police here do BTW run check points and stop cars to detect drunk driving.

[Jerry]

This post just proves your intolerance and lack of understanding.

No one asked you to applaud it, but being narrow-minded and failing to understand why young people are taking their lives or resorting to crime and drugs isn't going to work and you can thank you lucky stars you never had to deal with it because no doubt you would have stuffed it up big time.

One thing you don't do is judge them or talk down to them. You got to be their bedrock and that is not done with a stick or you saying you know better than they do.

As to the behavior in the toilet! mate, George has a 10 million dollar property on Sydney Harbour. His properties in LA, London and the UK are worth just as much if not more. When he stayed in Hotels in was always in Penthouses on the most exclusive properties that you can't afford.

Think about it and then get back to me.

I'm not sure that owning millions of $$$s worth of property excuses his "indiscretions". Taken to its logical conclusion it's OK for a rich man to masturbate in a public place but, presumably, not a poor one. People who are fortunate enough to live privileged lifestyles because God or nature has gifted them a million $$$ talent should set an example to their peers instead of pursuing the destructive hedonistic ways we see today. In George Michael's case one has to ask the question - was his generosity atonement for what he perceived as wrong doing.