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by **Londonrake** » Mon May 15, 2017 5:55 pm

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/fo ... -electora/

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue May 16, 2017 9:36 am

A rather different take on Putin’s meddling in foreign elections, suggesting that it is mainly for domestic consumption:

The Kremlin wanted to troll the American establishment. It hadn’t planned on an inexperienced and impulsive man moving into the White House. As investigations into the Trump campaign’s links to Russia pick up steam, Moscow can’t consider itself a winner. It’s more like a child whose pranks got out of hand.

Russia’s support for Le Pen is part of the same game. But it also served a distinct purpose: fodder for the domestic propaganda machine. Putin is less worried about how the West perceives him than he is about shoring up legitimacy at home.

Though he enjoys high approval ratings, Putin is facing mass protests and an increasingly vocal opposition. And with the bust of the oil boom, he’s not going to be able to buy support as he has in the past.

http://www.politico.eu/article/marine-l ... s-winning/

by **Londonrake** » Tue May 16, 2017 10:11 am

Tim Drayton wrote:A rather different take on Putin’s meddling in foreign elections, suggesting that it is mainly for domestic consumption:

The Kremlin wanted to troll the American establishment. It hadn’t planned on an inexperienced and impulsive man moving into the White House. As investigations into the Trump campaign’s links to Russia pick up steam, Moscow can’t consider itself a winner. It’s more like a child whose pranks got out of hand.

Russia’s support for Le Pen is part of the same game. But it also served a distinct purpose: fodder for the domestic propaganda machine. Putin is less worried about how the West perceives him than he is about shoring up legitimacy at home.

Though he enjoys high approval ratings, Putin is facing mass protests and an increasingly vocal opposition. And with the bust of the oil boom, he’s not going to be able to buy support as he has in the past.

http://www.politico.eu/article/marine-l ... s-winning/

You realise of course that posting things like this makes you a heretic? :lol:

by **Robin Hood** » Tue May 16, 2017 10:22 am

Tim Drayton wrote:A rather different take on Putin’s meddling in foreign elections, suggesting that it is mainly for domestic consumption:

The Kremlin wanted to troll the American establishment. It hadn’t planned on an inexperienced and impulsive man moving into the White House. As investigations into the Trump campaign’s links to Russia pick up steam, Moscow can’t consider itself a winner. It’s more like a child whose pranks got out of hand.

Russia’s support for Le Pen is part of the same game. But it also served a distinct purpose: fodder for the domestic propaganda machine. Putin is less worried about how the West perceives him than he is about shoring up legitimacy at home.

Though he enjoys high approval ratings, Putin is facing mass protests and an increasingly vocal opposition. And with the bust of the oil boom, he’s not going to be able to buy support as he has in the past.

http://www.politico.eu/article/marine-l ... s-winning/

Obviously a neutral view of the situation :roll:

....... 7000 people demonstrate in Moscow then it's 'massive' ...... how many were tearing Paris to shreds the other day? This is no more than an opinion piece by rabid anti- Russian and anti-Putin looneys. :lol:

Still no evidence that Putin/Russia were actually involved in the US farce then ...... just 'trust-me' and the usual unfounded accusations? :roll:

Honestly ...... if Putin is that clever maybe we should just surrender to the Russians now before they come in their hordes over the borders of eastern Europe and invade Europe like they did in Ukraine? :roll:

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue May 16, 2017 10:32 am

Londonrake wrote:https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/forget-52-rise-re-leavers-mean-pro-brexit-electora/

Phew! Looks like Putin has got his work cut out for him this time. He will have to get his army of propagandists working flat out and fork out some of his ill-gotten gains in overtime payments to these hard-working people.

by **Londonrake** » Tue May 16, 2017 11:20 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
Londonrake wrote:https://yougov.co.uk/news/2017/05/12/forget-52-rise-re-leavers-mean-pro-brexit-electora/

Phew! Looks like Putin has got his work cut out for him this time. He will have to get his army of propagandists working flat out and fork out some of his ill-gotten gains in overtime payments to these hard-working people.

It's at points like these - where absolutely any hint of criticism of the latest demi-God pin up invariably has to emanate from "anti-Russian, anti-Putin looneys" and any evidence that points to a rather large number of actually quite ordinary people in the U.K. wanting to leave the EU is met with equal scorn - that a thread tends to go off the rails.

Had the YG poll shown that 68% now want to remain - well, that of course would have been entirely different.

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue May 16, 2017 11:55 am

I was thinking more about the right-wing tabloids' claim that Putin is now rooting for Corbyn in conjunction with the (somewhat spurious) conclusions reached by the YouGov poll:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3371457/v ... el-fallon/

He is backing a 14/1 shot here. (Odd that there wasn't a peep from the right-wing tabloids when Putin was on the same side as they were!)

by **Londonrake** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:29 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:I was thinking more about the right-wing tabloids' claim that Putin is now rooting for Corbyn in conjunction with the (somewhat spurious) conclusions reached by the YouGov poll:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3371457/v ... el-fallon/

He is backing a 14/1 shot here. (Odd that there wasn't a peep from the right-wing tabloids when Putin was on the same side as they were!)

I can see the sense in his stance. Corbyn personifies the perfect national leader from VP and Russia's POV. I don't believe there's much he can do about it though. It would be counterproductive, surely? Any sign of the dumping of a heap of sensitive Wicki revelations merely adding to Corbyn's considerable woes. Unlike Trump/Clinton, or Macron/Le Penn Vlad, I'm sure, is more than savvy enough to recognise a dead man walking.

The betting odds reflect the weight of money, rather than a prediction of course. I suspect the bookies made a great deal of lucre out of the UK referendum. I think remain was in the 90%s? They should move into Forex. :lol:

by **Tim Drayton** » Tue May 16, 2017 12:50 pm

Londonrake wrote:
... I'm sure, is more than savvy enough to recognise a dead man walking.

Perhaps some kind Putin propagandist will come along and enlighten us as to the great man's thinking.

by **Robin Hood** » Tue May 16, 2017 6:44 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Londonrake wrote:
... I'm sure, is more than savvy enough to recognise a dead man walking.

Perhaps some kind Putin propagandist will come along and enlighten us as to the great man's thinking.

Corbyn himself is the problem, not his ideas, they are quite sound when you take the trouble to look at them. He is NO leader ...... that is his problem ..... he has no charisma. But to suggest that Putin or any other worldly personality can influence elections in favour of any participant in an election, is ludicrous. He may be able to do it in Russia ..... but with his popularity rating does he have to? :roll:

With the pantomime being enacted in the US with all the accusations, firings, tweets and investigations, it just makes the Worlds number one Super Power look like a bunch of squabbling school kids. I would bet the corridors of the Kremlin must echo with raucous laughter as each new wild claim is announced by the US administration. :lol: