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[erolz66]

What Brooks did was wrong and what the police officer did was wrong too.

Only one of them was being paid by tax payers to be a professional however. Anyone invested with powers ordinary citizens do not have, must and should be held to a higher standard than ordinary citizens who do not have such state backed powers. This should go without having to be said but I somehow feel the need to say it in response to the above. Which maybe is unfair but I have said it now anyway.

[Londonrake]

Does this mean we’ve got to put Winston back in the box?

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[repulsewarrior]

Sorry guys but your simplistic lambasting is largely just nonsense.

If you want to start for the basis that really there is nothing wrong, no problems at all that have persisted for generations through left wing and right wing administrations, that have led to more people ending up dead when that should have been avoidable, then ok. However I think there is real evidence that a vast number , probably a majority of people do not share this view. I think large numbers think that something needs to really change. Change in a way that outcomes change, like those seen with Floyd George and so many others just stop happening over and over with the frequency that they have been happening.

So if you think no change is necessary then little point going forward with the discussion. If however you accept some effort should be made to seek change that leads to a material beneficial change in outcomes then let's have that discussion.

The range of necessary social functions that police today have to deal with is vast. From hard core violent criminals all the way through to public order through to acting as unofficial safety net for mental health issues to policing domestic disputes to policing traffic through to emergency response to accident and disaster. It is a vast gammut or social functions being placed on an ever over burdened and under funded set of people. If we are looking for change and improvement we need to start, I think, with understanding this. Of course if all we are looking to do is make political capital for one 'side' or the other then all of this is unnecessary.

This is an article from the telegraph, hardly a bastion of new age left wing utopian thought, from 2019 so pre all the current BLM protesting, pre corona virus and is reporting the Police federation Chief in the UK.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/20 ... incidents/

Police are spending at least 40 per cent of their time dealing with people with mental ill health rather than fighting crime, the Police Federation has warned. John Apter, the Federation’s chairman, said police were now devoting 80 per cent of their time to non-crime related incidents, the “lion’s share” of which were because of a mental health crisis.

I suggest if you are serious about being worried you or your loved ones or those in your community 'robbed, assaulted or threatened' then you should be concerned about what the Police federation Chief is saying. If it is true that 80% of police time is spent on non crime related incidents, then changing this should matter to you. Of course if all you are really after is political capital of 'my side is right yours is wrong' then none of this matters to you and it is just business as usual that has allowed these problems to continue.

Take the valid and necessary social function of policing public order for example. Does this have to be done by the same people that are also at the same time trying to protect you from being "robbed, assaulted or threatened" ? Or is the some better way of meeting this real social function that does not become a zero sum game against protecting you from being robbed ? Something more local, more consensual, more community drive perhaps that meets the social needs as well as currently or even better whilst at the same time freeing those trying to meet the different and separate social function of protecting you from being violently mugged ? Could a group of people made up more of people like Patrick Hutchinson (https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/14/uk/l ... index.html) then Chauvin not handle some of the social functions currently placed on Police better. Policing of day to day 'public order' but not violent criminals, which would be left to a different group, that is more known and respected members of a community policing their own community on things like loutish behaviour, kids hanging around in groups, petty vandalism, neighbours arguing, people with mental health issues and other things ?

I think we need to stop the political propaganda and start looking properly for real possible solutions that have a chance of real material change of outcomes. For the sake of victims like Floyd George, for the sake of ourselves and our communities and for the sake of the majority of police that take on these dangerous and difficult and necessary jobs that are not like Chauvin and his ilk. I think this is needed. I doubt this place here is where it could or will happen to any degree but there may be a window of opportunity that has opened as a result of the recent events in which such change might be sought and found. If it is not then we will sooner or later just be back here again and again until change is found or we accept happily living in dystopian police state.

...well said.

...a guy cooperates with the Police, takes twenty minutes to do sobriety tests successfully, but is slightly over the limit; all this from the offending policeman's bodycam. Then, the incident happens; it is there on YouTube if you want to judge for yourself: FOX News had good coverage, they too like the bystanders that can be heard in the background calling out the cop after shooting, think it's wrong. A regular traffic violation, yes actually, even if the outcome ended in death. I have to ask how many different ways could this have ended, if that Police person was unarmed, and trained differently, or if common sense was used, instead of unqualified force.

[Maximus]

The guy should have just co-operated and reasoned with the cops.

I remember a time that a friend and I were in the US, we got pulled over for speeding on the highway. Like, way over the speed limit.

We spent about 3 hours at the station, joking with the officers, taking pictures with them as a souvenir and they let us off with just a fine.

I will never forget that day,

The police officer said you were going so fast, my shit was going off like a Christmas tree and I thought I was dealing with an attempted get away from a homicide.

The simple thing with dealing with the authorities is to admit or even tell them what you did wrong and tell them that you accept whatever punishment they want to dish out to you.

This helps them have some mercy, and maybe even defend YOU.

[erolz66]

The guy should have just co-operated and reasoned with the cops.

I remember a time that a friend and I were in the US, we got pulled over for speeding on the highway. Like, way over the speed limit.

We spend about 3 hours at the station, joking with the officers, taking pictures with them as a souvenir and they let us off with just a fine.

I will never forget that day,

The police officer said you were going so fast, my shit was going off like a Christmas tree and I thought I was dealing with an attempted get away from a homicide.

The simple thing with dealing with the authorities is to admit or even tell them what you did wrong and accept whatever punishment they want to dish out to you. This helps them have some mercy, and maybe even defend YOU.

I will take a punt - neither you or your friend are black ?

[Maximus]

The guy should have just co-operated and reasoned with the cops.

I remember a time that a friend and I were in the US, we got pulled over for speeding on the highway. Like, way over the speed limit.

We spend about 3 hours at the station, joking with the officers, taking pictures with them as a souvenir and they let us off with just a fine.

I will never forget that day,

The police officer said you were going so fast, my shit was going off like a Christmas tree and I thought I was dealing with an attempted get away from a homicide.

The simple thing with dealing with the authorities is to admit or even tell them what you did wrong and accept whatever punishment they want to dish out to you. This helps them have some mercy, and maybe even defend YOU.

I will take a punt - neither you or your friend are black ?

You are sad Erolz.....

[erolz66]

The guy should have just co-operated and reasoned with the cops.

I remember a time that a friend and I were in the US, we got pulled over for speeding on the highway. Like, way over the speed limit.

We spend about 3 hours at the station, joking with the officers, taking pictures with them as a souvenir and they let us off with just a fine.

I will never forget that day,

The police officer said you were going so fast, my shit was going off like a Christmas tree and I thought I was dealing with an attempted get away from a homicide.

The simple thing with dealing with the authorities is to admit or even tell them what you did wrong and accept whatever punishment they want to dish out to you. This helps them have some mercy, and maybe even defend YOU.

I will take a punt - neither you or your friend are black ?

You are sad Erolz.....

You seriously doubt it is within the realms of possibility that your experience that day might have been markedly different that day had you skin colour been different ?

[Maximus]

Its also possible that we could have had a fatal accident that night.

How many permutations of probabilities do you want to play with?

It is also entirely possible that a black person has been in a similar situation and also experienced a similar result.

Are you saying that all black people get shot at or have the book thrown at them whenever they do something wrong and get caught by the police?

My point being, Brook's could have got a different result.

You mean to tell me if he co-operated and reasoned with police he would still be dead?

[Maximus]

Watch this..

On Brooks's death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-WG1xUxhCI

A black man with sense talking here....

[Kikapu]

Watch this..

On Brooks's death.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-WG1xUxhCI

A black man with sense talking here....

He is full of shit.......again, as he was last week, then again, he is an ex police officer, so what can you expect from a former criminal police gang member who had violated many citizens rights while he was an officer. He is just as dirty as the rest of them.

Had Brook's knew his rights, nothing would have happened to him. The fact that he didn't, the police abused his rights and tried to throw him into jail, therefore the police escalated the whole situation from the moment they arrived at the scene, which was on private property at Wendy's.

Lets follow the events as they happened.

Wendy's call 911 (emergency number) to report someone is sleeping in the car in the drive-thru lane (American spelling). Why the manager did not go and solve the problem himself/herself is a mystery. Nothing ever good comes out by calling these criminal gangs police officers.

Now the police arrives and finally Brooks wakes up and is cordial with the officers while all along the officers are interrogating him for information. Brooks talking to the police at this moment is what got him killed. All he had to do was say nothing at all, not answer one single question because the police had no cause to do anything as Brooks at this point did not break the law. All he was doing was sleeping in his car at Wendy's private lot. Since police did not see him drive his car on public street drunk, they cannot give him a sobriety test when he was just sleeping in his car. Sleeping in your car on private property is not illegal until Wendy's trespasses Brooks from the property and he refuses to leave. At that point he would have broken the law and would have been arrested, but if he was trespassed, he could have just left the car right there and then take UBER home. At that point the car still in the Drive -Thru would have been towed. If Wendy's did not trespass him, Brooks could have drove his car short distance and parked it properly and continue sleeping in the car until he felt same to drive again. The police at this point would have been powerless to do anything. Not ID him, not ask him incriminating questions and not give him a field sobriety test as he did not break any laws.

So these two cops being cunts, they escalate the whole situation by violating Brooks rights as if they are doing a routine traffic stop on a public street, with ID and insurance detail checks and then the sobriety test, then go on to cuff him and off to the jail. They had no authority to do any of this when no crime was committed. They could have been good cunts for a change and told Brooks, "listen man, you are looking a little too drunk to be driving, so sleep it off in the car or leave your car here and take a cab home. They didn't do that. Instead they try to cuff him, which at this point anything could have gone through his mind, that once he is cuffed, his life would be in the hands of these cunts, as Floyd's life was after he being cuffed.

So he resisted an invalid arrest and thy all rolled on the ground. Brooks take one of the tasers and runs off with the murderer running behind him with his taser out. at one point from about 10 feet or so, Brooks turns slightly and fires the taser towards the cop with no chance striking him, because the cop hasn't had any luck in trying to tase Brooks either running behind Brooks. At this point the cop pulls out his gun and fires three shots, hitting him twice in the back when his life was not in danger, but shot him dead anyway, which then he commented to the other officer, "I got him" as he was hunting deer. I can't think of anything worse than a cop shooting a man in the back as he is running away from him with no threat to the officer's life. It has to be the most cowardly thing any cunt cop could do to try repair his damaged ego that the suspect got away from him, so he shot him down like a dog as there was no need, because they knew who he was and where he lived, they had his car and most probably his wallet and the house keys on the car key chain. There was absolutely no justification is shooting him and should face 1st degree murder. Second officer should do desk job for a while until he learns not to violate citizens rights, because had the cops did the right thing, Brooks would have been alive and these two cops could have felt good about themselves for helping someone who needed it, but no, they wanted to be cunts instead, so they should pay the price for one of them taking a life from someone yet so young. I told you all, that cops are uneducated idiots for the most part and are not able solve simple problems, instead they reach for the cuffs and then the gun.