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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Nov 27, 2017 5:01 pm

It actually takes at least one maybe two further units to make up the minimum suite, the launcher and missile(s) are useless on their own.. So why was there not a single photograph among all those, from various sources, that Bellingcat used to support their hypothesis? Surely a single photo from a ground observer or a satellite would have been all they needed to implicate the Russians and show that, as a result, the rebels had the means and therefore, they also had the opportunity.

But the brief of the Dutch investigating Team was to determine WHAT brought down MH17 not WHO, and I don’t think there can be much of an argument that it was a missile and that missile was a BUK! Even the Russians agree with that. A video which shows how that BUK could (most likely) have bought down MH17:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQYkLLED6vI&lc=z132ibqhmvrfwblzw04cc52w3oyldv3ynz40k.1429429261982103


I spent a few hours going through this web site by Bellingcat ..... all associated with the destruction of MH17 and it includes the Bellingcat report the Dutch Safety Board Investigators used.

The site was very complex but at the end of the day actually proved nothing. Most of it is Bellingcat’s hypothesis and when you start looking at it ....... it does not stand up to close inspection. Many of the comments make a mockery of the photos and point out ..... that a certain flower in one picture only blooms in June not July ...... and that the price of fuel shown on a garage forecourt was not the price on the day, but several days previously ...... and I am sure there were many more comments like these, but I got bored with reading it all. It is mainly supposition from open sources and not traceable sources. Certainly it would not stand up as evidence in a Criminal of Court of Law.

I didn’t go through every item and mainly followed this mysterious convoy that was tracked right through Russia to the border with Ukraine, where it appears to drop off the RADAR at that time, and was then later tracked back to the Russian border again. Here is a column of not only BUK missiles (with no system support vehicles) but several civilian vehicles, a low loader and several tanks and armoured vehicles. They were in the area for several days ..........but the Ukraine military were completely unaware of them? That really does take some believing!

If you have a few hours with nothing to do ..............

https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/mh17/

Another point: There were no reports generally from anyone who saw the exhaust plume. The BUK leaves a very dense exhaust and in the conditions that day would have remained clearly visible for a minimum of at least ten minutes. There is just one photo of a supposed exhaust plume ........ but an RT TV reporter went back to the spot where this photo was taken ...... and weeks later the plume was still there! It was traced to a factory chimney and that was obvious as the two views were identical. But Bellingcat missed that!

So the argument as to who the culprit was, is ongoing. The Russians asked for a full independent investigation from day one but the request was ignored! :roll: :x
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Sep 17, 2018 6:43 pm

Now the Russians have the smoking gun and have traced the BUK missile right back to having been delivered to the Ukraine in Dec 86 with irrefutable documentation from the original manufacturing records. They also expose the false images created by Bellingcat for the Ukrainians and as presented to the Dutch Board of enquiry.

LR, Paphits ....... it is far more credible than the irrefutable evidence Kerry said the US had to prove Russia did it ........ you know, THAT irrefutable evidence they can't show anyone as it threatens their National Security! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Watch the 2nd video .... the 1st is more or less the same but a rather boring English Translation voice over.

Official MOD video of the briefing on newly discovered evidence pertaining to the crash of the Malaysia Airlines flight MH17

https://thesaker.is/russian-mod-reveals-new-findings-in-mh-17-investigation/
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:50 pm

The results of the Russian investigation has just been released .... although nothing has been mentioned in the MSM. It uses the same evidence that the Dutch enquiry used .......... and CUI BONO is a bit of a surprise but very plausible. Make your own minds up. It is a bit rambling and hard to get into but plenty of links to sources ...............

MH17 Turnabout: Ukraine’s Guilt Now Proven - Eric Zuesse

Finally, a clear and convincing — and unrefuted — case can now be presented to the public, as to precisely whom the guilty party was, that downed the MH17 Malaysian airliner over Ukraine on 17 July 2014, and why it was done. The complete case, which will be fully documented here, displays unequivocally who needed the MH17 murders (of 298 persons) to be perpetrated. This mass-murder was done for one leader’s very pressing obsession. For him, it simply had to be done, and done at that precise time.

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/12/31/mh17-turnabout-ukraine-guilt-now-proven.html
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:37 am

Malaysian PM Says "No Evidence" Russia Shot Down MH17

Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad says he does not believe Russia launched the BUK missile that brought down MH17, killing all 298 on board, including 38 Australians.

The Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 was travelling from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur when it was shot down over the conflict zone in eastern Ukraine on July 17, 2014.

Among the Australian casualties were four members of the same family — Perth siblings Mo, Evie and Otis Maslin, aged 12, 10 and 8 and their grandfather Nick Norris, who had taken them on holiday.

Last year Australia and The Netherlands accused the Russian Federation of direct involvement in the plane’s fate after Dutch investigators announced they had “legal and convincing evidence that would stand up in a courtroom”.

The Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) — comprising investigators from Australia, Belgium, Malaysia, the Netherlands and Ukraine — released a report in May 2018 stating that the missile system used to bring down the plane was owned by the Russian army.

“Based on these findings, the only conclusion we can reasonably now draw is that Russia was directly involved in the downing of MH17,” Australia’s then-prime minister and foreign minister Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop said in a joint statement.

“The Russian Federation must be held to account for its conduct in the downing of MH17 over eastern Ukraine, which resulted in the tragic deaths of 298 passengers and crew, including 38 people who called Australia home.”

But in a bombshell speech to the Japanese Foreign Correspondents Club (JFCC) on Thursday, Dr Mahathir was having none of it, accusing those who blamed Russia of scapegoating the nation for “political” reasons.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 03a4d183bf
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby yialousa1971 » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:39 am

In "Jaw-Dropping" Speech Malaysian PM Says "No Evidence" Russia Shot Down MH17

In unexpected statements Malaysia Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has questioned the methodology behind Dutch investigators who produced what the West considers the authoritative report on the tragic shoot down of Malaysian Airlines flight MH17 in 2014 while flying over war-torn eastern Ukraine. He criticized that the Dutch-led Joint Investigation Team (JIT) seems "to be concentrated on trying to pin it on the Russians".

The Malaysian leader told reporters at the Japanese Foreign Correspondents Club (FCCJ) in Tokyo on Thursday “They are accusing Russia but where is the evidence?” Mahathir said his country accepted that a "Russian-made missile" shot down its civilian airliner, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew members on board, but that "You need strong evidence to show it was fired by the Russians."


He ultimately questioned the objectivity of the investigators in what major regional media described as a "jaw dropping speech".

Australia's prime state run news service ABC News noted the Malaysian PM's speech has sent shock waves through the region as it questioned everything Australia's own leaders have said. "From the very beginning we see too much politics in it," Mahathir said in reference to the official Dutch-led investigation.

A total of 38 Australians were killed in the Boeing-777 shoot down and crash, and the majority were Dutch nationals. The ABC report summarized of the "bombshell" charges leveled by PM Mahathir:

“Based on these findings, the only conclusion we can reasonably now draw is that Russia was directly involved in the downing of MH17,” Australia’s then-prime minister and foreign minister Malcolm Turnbull and Julie Bishop said in a joint statement.

“The Russian Federation must be held to account for its conduct in the downing of MH17 over eastern Ukraine, which resulted in the tragic deaths of 298 passengers and crew, including 38 people who called Australia home.”

But in a bombshell speech to the Japanese Foreign Correspondents Club (JFCC) on Thursday, Dr Mahathir was having none of it, accusing those who blamed Russia of scapegoating the nation for “political” reasons.

The Malaysian PM further went so far as to point to Ukrainian pro-government forces as being prime suspects: “It could be by the rebels in Ukraine; it could be Ukrainian government because they too have the same missile,” he said.

Interestingly, this has been Russia's position all along, which has already led some international media sources to suggest of the deeply contrarian Friday speech, "Dr Mahathir is known to enjoy a good conspiracy theory."
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05- ... -down-mh17
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jun 03, 2019 6:11 am

The history of the BUK, down to it's serial no and manufacturing history, as well as how it went to Ukraine as Russian and was left behind with the Ukraine as being obsolete when the USSR collapsed, was all released by the Russians months ago but was never mentioned in the MSM. So, most still believe the cover story .......

The most obvious perpetrator was of course Ukraine but they gave Ukraine a prime position on the enquiry team and they laid down the rule that nothing could be released without their approval. As you can see from the article ..... the first thing that is done is to accuse the man of being a conspiracy theorist ....... it happens every time, attack the messenger and ignore the message! :x

Will we ever know the truth? :?: I somehow doubt it. :(
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby Robin Hood » Mon Jul 29, 2019 1:53 pm

On the day of the attack on MH17 John Kerry declared less than 12 hrs after the event that the US had irrefutable evidence that it was perpetrated by the Russians/Russian separatists. For some people this claim was sufficient for them to regard this as pretty conclusive as to who was responsible. Unfortunately no one has ever seen Kerry’s ‘irrefutable evidence’.

I have from day one been sceptical of the JIT’s claims as there was never any explanation as to exactly what there was in this for the Russians or the separatists and that a lot of evidence such as RADAR information and ATC recordings, was never presented. It became increasingly clear that the JIT investigation was a flawed, seriously flawed! There are more holes in it than in a colander!

Now more facts are coming to light and from very credible sources. I received this one this morning!

The Malaysian Airlines MH17 Tragedy, Suppression and Tampering of the Evidence. New Documentary

A new documentary from Yana Yerlashova and Max van der Werff, the leading independent investigator of the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 disaster, has revealed breakthrough evidence of tampering and forging of prosecution materials; suppression of Ukrainian Air Force radar tapes; and lying by the Dutch, Ukrainian, US and Australian governments. An attempt by agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to take possession of the black boxes of the downed aircraft is also revealed by a Malaysian National Security Council official for the first time.

The sources of the breakthrough are Malaysian — Prime Minister of Malaysia Mohamad Mahathir; Colonel Mohamad Sakri, the officer in charge of the MH17 investigation for the Prime Minister’s Department and Malaysia’s National Security Council following the crash on July 17, 2014; and a forensic analysis by Malaysia’s OG IT Forensic Services of Ukrainian Secret Service (SBU) telephone tapes which Dutch prosecutors have announced as genuine.

Plenty of links and a video that is worth looking at ..............

https://www.globalresearch.ca/mh17-evidence-tampering-revealed-malaysia-fbi-attempt-seize-black-boxes-dutch-cover-up-forged-telephone-tapes-ukrainian-air-force-hid-radar-records-crash-site-witness-testimony-misreport/5684692


One thing is for sure ..... it takes time for the truth to come to the surface, but as sure as bubbles rise, inevitably it will! :roll:
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Re: who shot down MH17?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:14 pm

And I have a tin foil hat for Robin Hood

http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/an-overview-of-desinformation-and-lies-by-former-rt-journalist-yerlashova-and-dutch-blogger-van-der-werff/

He would not know a credible source if it was staring him in the face..,
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