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[MrH]

Get real,

Are you talking about the the establishment of America on the 4 july in “1776”, or the Turkish Cypriots of the year “1571”?

Your racist view of the Turkish Cypriot not being a part of the people’s of Cyprus is the very reason why you have lost Northern Cyprus, and needless to say the violent and bloody realities of 1963 and 1974!

You shouldn’t have signed the 1960 Cyprus constitution - that was your downfall, or should I say Mr racist and stupid Makarios III was. If only John Clerides had become Cyprus’ first president as things today may have been very different.

We cannot and will not forget the failures of YOUR people in the past, especially the realities of today’s position of a two state country with which was instigated by your administration.

You can scream and shout all you want but the harsh reality is that your President know what and not what to do and will always be compelled to the negotiating table.

If you want your way, then persuade your president and leaders to grow a backbone and stop signing the UN mandate every year or agreeing to negotiations for the resumption of the COMPREHENSIVE Cyprus talks for a BBF.

Loser!

[B25]

If you want your way, then persuade your president and leaders to grow a backbone and stop signing the UN mandate every year or agreeing to negotiations for the resumption of the COMPREHENSIVE Cyprus talks for a BBF.

Unfortunately for us, we have no leaders with a spine, we have no leaders, period. What we have are corrupt, self serving individuals and I agree they are about to hand us over to Erdogan, then you will have no Cyprus to talk about.

Anyone that votes for Ananstasiades and the other moron Malakas, will have doomed the country into Erdogan hands. I fear for my kids. Maybe time to look for another country to live in!!!

[MrH]

Thank you B25, my sentiments exactly - the pendulum swings once again for another 50 years as they say as the only person on our side with any true ambition or ability to make any change is Mr Kudret Ozersay. If you doesn't become the next PM then it's Turkey all the way! Acording to my understanding, only Nicolas Papadopoulos on your side has the backbone to possibly make some kind of change of policy. Fingers crossed ay!

I have interview Nicolas once and in our discussion he admirably said that if a BBF is nonviable and impractical, a realistic basis for a two state formula will need to be discussed. He said this as a form of compromise as two Cypriot states working independently at a local level but sharing important operational elements externally. I am guessing he was talking about a realistic confederal formula that does not remove the Republic of Cyprus at the same time of incorporating a "Turkish Cypriot State" within its overall administration - similarly to I guess Gibraltar and the UK, thus avoiding that from happening with Turkey and Northern Cyprus. All I can say is that if Anastasiades wins the coming elections, Cyprus will be forever partitioned.

[repulsewarrior]

...i don't think so.

...Anastasiades did show his worth, as a Cypriot, at Crans-Montana. Is there an agreement, no. Why? Because as Cypriots, he did not sell us out, and as a Greek, he is no "Greek".

...if Cypriots are to be "Turks", i say perhaps "Turks" should be Cypriots. Cyprus should make for themselves the country Turkey should be, not the other way around.

...whoever wins this election, question is, does Akinci have the backbone to demonstrate he is a Turk, and not a "Turk", Cyprus his center, not "Turkishness"?

[B25]

...i don't think so.

...Anastasiades did show his worth, as a Cypriot, at Crans-Montana. Is there an agreement, no. Why? Because as Cypriots, he did not sell us out, and as a Greek, he is no "Greek".

...if Cypriots are to be "Turks", i say perhaps "Turks" should be Cypriots. Cyprus should make for themselves the country Turkey should be, not the other way around.

...whoever wins this election, question is, does Akinci have the backbone to demonstrate he is a Turk, and not a "Turk", Cyprus his center, not "Turkishness"?

That's a load of bollocks, you obviously don't understand what you read with whatever it is you are smoking.

The reason there was no agreement is because the Turks saved us from his fuck ups. He gave them his underwear and fortunately for us the Turks rejected it.

So, understand what's going on before you make such idiotic posts. Seriously.

This plonker (to use a Milti term), needs to be gotten rid of asap. Have you heard his other recent ridiculous statements, not to mention his meddling in the Greek/Macedonia issue, bet they will bomb him if he next visits Greece.

[repulsewarrior]

...he is not the leader i would like B25, and the choices are all poor representations as Statesman. If we had Statesmen, then you would see something quite different as a debate. As a Statesman, Anastasiades has made a few gaffs, like Macedonia, its true, these hurt him, and yet his ventures with Greece, Israel, and Egypt are notable progress in the relations the Eastern Med is aspiring to. Despite the meddling of Turkey, its isolation remains intact.

He is a sell-out i fear, too. Witness the haircut and the cave-in as his reaction to it, however we are still better off Economically speaking, do you think that Pap would have been as apt?

...indeed, if he had allowed 6oo Turkish troops to remain forever, it would have been another small compromise, but he didn't.

If you love Cyprus, Greek or Cypriot, then think. Turks are not your enemy, and they have the same enemy in "Turkishness". While Erdogan changes Turkey forever, Cypriots cannot sit idly by because his intentions include Cyprus. To him Cyprus is Turkey, and in his "new" Turkey a state where he is in total control. I say Turkey should be Cyprus, a state where there is tolerance, Liberty, beyond Freedom, and where Citizens respect and trust each other, as Individuals, despite being Persons as well (a BBF). We can fight Erdogan, new thinking is needed, who is the "other" when we think of ourselves and those not "us". Indeed, Cyprus is the key to an end to "Turkishness", but Turks need more than "Greekness" in Cyprus, they need the same realisation from Greeks, that they are not "Greeks", and that as Cypriots, Cyprus is "theirs'". They must defend each other without further distinction or discrimination, that they can do more together as one, against subjugation, and in particular against the subjugation Erdogan has in mind for them, against the extinction of what is, their ethnosphere.

...a fool would go north with the Flag of Greece, a hero would have the courage to go north to fly the Flag of Cyprus; both would be likely shot, but it is something to think about.

...and who would be shot for flying the Flag of Cyprus, anywhere, in Cyprus? Who would do the shooting? Also something to think about.

Malas had his chance, but there was no effort through AKEL to demonstrate through the Unions, north and south of the Green Line, support. Pap could not have done that, he has done nothing to make himself a superior rival as a candidate, or, as a President the mandate to speak for Cypriots having their support.

[Sotos]

The only problem with this article is, which is not surprising for the scum bag Cyprus Mail in general, that the RoC has never been negotiating with the TCs, but with Turkey via the TCs. So what will be the difference if the RoC is negotiating with Turkey via a Turk in the north? The only losers I see in all this, is for the TCs, as they will be treated badly by the Turks in the north, not forgetting being labelled as "parasites" by Erdogan couple of years ago. Some say, the TCs have brought this on themselves by selling out their existence to the Turks by allowing the Turks to take over the political system by issuing so called "trnc citizenship". You reap what you sow, I guess.

Kikapu, the problem for the TCs is not any "citizenship". The problem is that they are indebted to Turkey. Without Turkey the TCs would be a usual minority in Cyprus. No super-privileges with the 1960 agreements, no partition, no "bbf", none of that crap whatsoever (and therefore no conflicts and no wars either). But UK and Turkey convinced the TCs that they are not just a minority, but that they are "special" and deserve a lot more than a minority (on the expense of GCs). And how can the TCs get all those special and unfair gains? The ONLY way to get them is with the continuous backing of Turkey and its army, because the TCs themselves neither deserve, nor they have the power to take by force any of that. What enslaves the TCs to Turkey is their GREED. Had the TCs not being so greedy, they would have been happy for GCs to drop the demand for enosis, and then accept to have a normal democratic state in Cyprus.

[GUGO]

Although Most of you appear to do nothing but bitch about the number of non Turkish Cypriots are in the north and although Turkish cypriots moan about them as well. In my opinion your all bunch of hypocrites and racists. If it’s not TC Cypriots moaning about people coming from turkey who by the way correct me if I am wrong they come to work and don’t layabout but actually work. The same can be also said about ROC with all the Asian workers who also don’t layabout and do all the manual work that GC seem to be too good to do themself. In fact the south is worse than the north. Nicosia on weekends some people say it’s like India and philipines put together however these people are low paid and abused by the system. what’s the fucking difference none in my opinion. EU runs the south and turkey runs the north. Get over it and next time don’t stand behind the crippling EU banner ( BREXIT HERE WE COME) and impose sanctions on your own brothers in the north you fucking two faced fuckers. As for turkey they can go and take a hike. Little turkey up north is a matter of time the Cypriot culture will disappear. The real cyprus is in the UK or Australia where Cypriots are far more Cypriot than you EU WANNABIES

[Get Real!]

The same can be also said about ROC with all the Asian workers who also don’t layabout and do all the manual work that GC seem to be too good to do themself. In fact the south is worse than the north. Nicosia on weekends some people say it’s like India and philipines put together however these people are low paid and abused by the system.

Most of them are students you TWIT!

...what’s the fucking difference none in my opinion. EU runs the south and turkey runs the north. Get over it and next time don’t stand behind the crippling EU banner ( BREXIT HERE WE COME) and impose sanctions on your own brothers in the north you fucking two faced fuckers.

What "brothers" you useless idiot? They're Ottoman remnants... they're no brothers of ours by any stretch of the imagination!

As for turkey they can go and take a hike. Little turkey up north is a matter of time the Cypriot culture will disappear.

What "Cypriot culture" and green horses are you talking about? That's Ottoman culture fool!

The real cyprus is in the UK or Australia where Cypriots are far more Cypriot than you EU WANNABIES

Just go back to Harringey and drink you tea boy... IDIOT!

[GUGO]

HISTORY OF TURKS IN CYPRUS DID NOT START FROM 1960. READ THE HISTORY BOOKS SO YOU CAN GAIN KNOWLEDGE AND TALK SENSE AND STOP TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN FROM YOUNG AGE TO HATE TURKS. THE BRITS AND GERMANS WERE ENEMIES IN WORLD WAR 2 AND NOW THEY ARE BOTH IN EU. THE PROBLEM WOULD EASILY BE SOLVED IN CYPRUS IF GREEKS STOP HATING TURKS OR TC. IT DOES NOT HELP WHEN YOU ALL SAY ITS THE TURKS WE HATE NOT THE TC. ITS LIKE ME SAYING I LIKE YOU BUT I HATE YOUR MUM. I CAN TELL YOU FOR A FACT THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY TEACHINGS OR BRAIN WASHING IN THE SCHOLLS IN THE NORTH TO HATE GREEKS. I WENT TO SCHOOL BREILFY IN 1976 AND EVEN THEN THERE WAS NO HATRED INDOCTRINATION IN SCHOOLS. STOP TEACHING YOUR CHILDREN TO HATE OR ELSE ALL YOU HAVE DONE IS ENSURED THERE WILL NEVER BE A SOLUTION. FOR ALL WE KNOW LIKE THE NAZIS YOU PROVABLY BRAIN WASHED YOUR CHILDREN THAT ONE DAY THE NORTH WILL BE YOURS. I KNOW FOR A FACT TEACHERS TAKE GREEK CHILDREN TO YHE BORDER AND SHOW THE NORTH AND SAY QUOTE “THAT LAND BELONGS TO US” I BLAME GREEK CYPRIOTS FOR ALL THE SHIT CAUSED IN CYPRUS. YOU MADE YOUR BED LIE IN IT