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by **Sotos** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:15 pm

Anastasiades (with the support of DISY & AKEL) has given up everything, and now they are trying to brainwash people that the only thing that matters is the Turkish army and the guarantees, so they would appear as the "winners" if they manage to get that 1 concession from the Turks, forgetting the 100s of concessions that AKEL-DISY have already made to the Turks. Anastasiades has already agreed that ALL Settlers will stay in Cyprus, he agreed to give direct or indirect veto to the the Turks on EVERYTHING, he agreed for rotating presidency which means means we can end up having as president somebody that the great majority of Cypriots do not want... even a Settler. And the constitution is such that what we will have is not even a real federation. In a real federation such as the USA, the president is elected by all Amaericans (bigger states get more votes) and then the central government in Washington is over and above the States. In Cyprus not only the president will not be elected democratically, but the central government will not be above the States but equal to them. So in other words: Partition, and merely a partnership between two separate entities.

AKEL and DISY keep harping that their "solution" would allow people to to freely move, work and settle anywhere in Cyprus. What they don't mention is that those GCs who move to the north beyond a certain small percentage, will do so WITHOUT voting rights there. In other words Greek Cypriots in north Cyprus will be just like Romanians or Bulgarians are in Cyprus... they can freely come and work here, but they get no vote. So according to them I should be happy that I will have the same rights in north Cyprus, as I already have for Lithuania or Poland... and without a shame they call this "liberation". Fucking populist, lying assholes.

by **Sotos** » Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:22 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:I think we all in the unoccupied area of the ROC and hopefully many in the occupied zone want the Tur*ish occupation forces gone, along with (except for certain very limited exceptions) the return of properties to lawful owners. The problem is that sadly Turkey is still seen as more important to eg the US as a place for near-east bases close to Southern Russia or the EU as a source of cheapo goods, and we do only enjoy lip-service support (even from our socalled friends , in Russia), with the consequence that if we want an early solution, probably some sort of concesions must be made with a settlement as envisaged in UN Resolutions. Not ideal, but can beggers be chosers?

I am by no means certain that Erdogan will be gone as soon as we would like, and the danger is who might replace him, where we have Turkey being increasingly bellicose in EG its dealings with Greece on the Aegean Islands, Syria and Iraq, and some Opposition politicians may be worse.

The risk is that a hard liner as president will only cement the position and I could indeed, under some circumstances, see Russia recognising the occupation regime if it would help get Turkey out of Nato. Then we are in the deep do-do.

Russia has in many occasions used its veto in the UN security council to block hostile to Cyprus resolutions promoted by USA/UK. Russia is the last country in the world that would recognize the pseudo state. But hey, if Turkey agrees to get out of NATO in exchange for that, then I am all for it. It suits us just fine!

by **repulsewarrior** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:33 am

...indeed, who can forget that Putin has used the "Cyprus solution" in his own affairs with Georgia, and Chechnya, (let's not mention Crimea).

by **miltiades** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 2:07 pm

I was taken aback by the comments of president Anastasiades on the Makedonia issue.
How on earth such, presumably, experienced politician drop such a clunger just days before the elections.
I may very well, along with others share his views but you do not make such comments knowing surely that they will be highly controversial. I thought he had the election in the bag, not so certain now.

by **B25** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 3:32 pm

miltiades wrote:I was taken aback by the comments of president Anastasiades on the Makedonia issue.
How on earth such, presumably, experienced politician drop such a clunger just days before the elections.
I may very well, along with others share his views but you do not make such comments knowing surely that they will be highly controversial. I thought he had the election in the bag, not so certain now.

He is a twat and a danger to all of Cyprus. He is not fit for office.

by **DrCyprus** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 4:52 pm

Sotos wrote:Anastasiades (with the support of DISY & AKEL) has given up everything, and now they are trying to brainwash people that the only thing that matters is the Turkish army and the guarantees, so they would appear as the "winners" if they manage to get that 1 concession from the Turks, forgetting the 100s of concessions that AKEL-DISY have already made to the Turks. Anastasiades has already agreed that ALL Settlers will stay in Cyprus, he agreed to give direct or indirect veto to the the Turks on EVERYTHING, he agreed for rotating presidency which means means we can end up having as president somebody that the great majority of Cypriots do not want... even a Settler. And the constitution is such that what we will have is not even a real federation. In a real federation such as the USA, the president is elected by all Amaericans (bigger states get more votes) and then the central government in Washington is over and above the States. In Cyprus not only the president will not be elected democratically, but the central government will not be above the States but equal to them. So in other words: Partition, and merely a partnership between two separate entities.

AKEL and DISY keep harping that their "solution" would allow people to to freely move, work and settle anywhere in Cyprus. What they don't mention is that those GCs who move to the north beyond a certain small percentage, will do so WITHOUT voting rights there. In other words Greek Cypriots in north Cyprus will be just like Romanians or Bulgarians are in Cyprus... they can freely come and work here, but they get no vote. So according to them I should be happy that I will have the same rights in north Cyprus, as I already have for Lithuania or Poland... and without a shame they call this "liberation". Fucking populist, lying assholes.

Believe it or not, if you move to Bulgaria, register as a resident, get a job and live there for 1,2 years you will be given the option to vote there (because E.U.).

by **Sotos** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:50 pm

DrCyprus wrote:
Sotos wrote:Anastasiades (with the support of DISY & AKEL) has given up everything, and now they are trying to brainwash people that the only thing that matters is the Turkish army and the guarantees, so they would appear as the "winners" if they manage to get that 1 concession from the Turks, forgetting the 100s of concessions that AKEL-DISY have already made to the Turks. Anastasiades has already agreed that ALL Settlers will stay in Cyprus, he agreed to give direct or indirect veto to the the Turks on EVERYTHING, he agreed for rotating presidency which means means we can end up having as president somebody that the great majority of Cypriots do not want... even a Settler. And the constitution is such that what we will have is not even a real federation. In a real federation such as the USA, the president is elected by all Amaericans (bigger states get more votes) and then the central government in Washington is over and above the States. In Cyprus not only the president will not be elected democratically, but the central government will not be above the States but equal to them. So in other words: Partition, and merely a partnership between two separate entities.

AKEL and DISY keep harping that their "solution" would allow people to to freely move, work and settle anywhere in Cyprus. What they don't mention is that those GCs who move to the north beyond a certain small percentage, will do so WITHOUT voting rights there. In other words Greek Cypriots in north Cyprus will be just like Romanians or Bulgarians are in Cyprus... they can freely come and work here, but they get no vote. So according to them I should be happy that I will have the same rights in north Cyprus, as I already have for Lithuania or Poland... and without a shame they call this "liberation". Fucking populist, lying assholes.

Believe it or not, if you move to Bulgaria, register as a resident, get a job and live there for 1,2 years you will be given the option to vote there (because E.U.).

I believe that is the case only for municipal elections... unless Bulgaria has different rules than the rest of EU.

by **Sotos** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 6:01 pm

miltiades wrote:I was taken aback by the comments of president Anastasiades on the Makedonia issue.
How on earth such, presumably, experienced politician drop such a clunger just days before the elections.
I may very well, along with others share his views but you do not make such comments knowing surely that they will be highly controversial. I thought he had the election in the bag, not so certain now.

That is nothing compared to his other blunders. He broke the record on the most compromises made in the Cyprus Problem and he got nothing in return from the Turks.