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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:16 pm

B25 wrote:Here is an interesting writeup about the US and Turkey relations, more interesting is this:

' ... According to a report in the Washington Examiner, the Pentagon has a low opinion of Turkish capabilities. Turkish troops lack “the training, logistics and weaponry to successfully launch the siege of a fortified and well-defended city.”....'


read the whole report here:

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018 ... in-turkey/


This paragraph was an interesting concept :

The U.S. responded to Erdogan’s move against Incirlik by expanding its air operations in Romania. And last summer, Germany’s Die Welt reported that the German military had identified eight alternatives to Incirlik, including three sites each in Kuwait and Jordan and two in Cyprus.


I assume they are referring to Paphos and Larnaca? The idea of USAF stationed in Cyprus and the Tukish military within a few miles would not be a good idea .... maybe for the US but not RoC. Maybe the Turks are better than the average for the region? :o

No matter how powerful or sophisticated the weapons these ME countries have, the forces that use them are not up to much. You have only to watch them in action on the news reels to see that.

One thing you can be sure of is that the US will do whatever suits the US. Loyalty does not come into the equation and I don’t think the Kurds will be treated as anything but cannon fodder. If the US is able to abandon their own to sort it out (USS Liberty) nothing would surprise me. The US will sacrifice the Kurds without giving them a second thought !

Remember it’s ....... “America first!” and that is with everything not just trade. :roll: :x
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Kikapu » Sun Jan 28, 2018 12:12 am

Robin Hood wrote:
B25 wrote:Here is an interesting writeup about the US and Turkey relations, more interesting is this:

' ... According to a report in the Washington Examiner, the Pentagon has a low opinion of Turkish capabilities. Turkish troops lack “the training, logistics and weaponry to successfully launch the siege of a fortified and well-defended city.”....'


read the whole report here:

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2018 ... in-turkey/


This paragraph was an interesting concept :

The U.S. responded to Erdogan’s move against Incirlik by expanding its air operations in Romania. And last summer, Germany’s Die Welt reported that the German military had identified eight alternatives to Incirlik, including three sites each in Kuwait and Jordan and two in Cyprus.


I assume they are referring to Paphos and Larnaca? The idea of USAF stationed in Cyprus and the Tukish military within a few miles would not be a good idea .... maybe for the US but not RoC. Maybe the Turks are better than the average for the region? :o

No matter how powerful or sophisticated the weapons these ME countries have, the forces that use them are not up to much. You have only to watch them in action on the news reels to see that.

One thing you can be sure of is that the US will do whatever suits the US. Loyalty does not come into the equation and I don’t think the Kurds will be treated as anything but cannon fodder. If the US is able to abandon their own to sort it out (USS Liberty) nothing would surprise me. The US will sacrifice the Kurds without giving them a second thought !

Remember it’s ....... “America first!” and that is with everything not just trade. :roll: :x


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What if the USA and Turkey get into a shooting match in Syria and the USA is using Cyprus as a base to launch it's fighter jets and then Turkey tries to take action against the USA in Cyprus, then it will be all over for Turkey in Cyprus as the USA can give air support as well as arms to the 100,000 reservist in the RoC to take on the Turkish army in the north. Once the skies over Cyprus is closed for Turkish jets and supply route by ship is cut of from Turkey to Cyprus, the Turkish Troops in the north can be pushed into the sea as they will not have an escape route. That really is Turkey's Achilles heel in Cyprus, that it's troops cannot have the possibility to retreat back to Turkey as they will be cut of from the main land and are then stuck on the island. Interesting times ahead.
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Robin Hood » Sun Jan 28, 2018 7:59 am

Kikapu:
What if the USA and Turkey get into a shooting match in Syria and the USA is using Cyprus as a base to launch it's fighter jets and then Turkey tries to take action against the USA in Cyprus, then it will be all over for Turkey in Cyprus as the USA can give air support as well as arms to the 100,000 reservist in the RoC to take on the Turkish army in the north. Once the skies over Cyprus is closed for Turkish jets and supply route by ship is cut of from Turkey to Cyprus, the Turkish Troops in the north can be pushed into the sea as they will not have an escape route. That really is Turkey's Achilles heel in Cyprus, that it's troops cannot have the possibility to retreat back to Turkey as they will be cut off from the main land and are then stuck on the island. Interesting times ahead.


A possible but I think an unlikely scenario, it would not be in the US’s interests. No one gains anything and In the meantime a lot of Cyprus towns like Limassol and Paphos end up looking like Raqqa and hundreds even thousands die. One thing for sure is that you will not see US/UK boots on the ground so they would end up doing to the CNG what they have done to the Kurds. Cannon fodder!

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"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein :roll:
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Jerry » Sun Jan 28, 2018 4:54 pm

The UK has been desperately trying to reduce its spending on the military, quitting Cyprus would save it millions of £££s. Back in the 1960s the Labour Defence Minister Dennis Healey wanted to give up the bases but the US persuaded him to keep them - I don't know if their was a financial inducement or not.

If the US wanted a "sovereign" and reliable base doing a deal with the UK and the ROC would be the answer, I doubt a sovereign base would be offered by any other State. The price that would be demanded by the ROC is obvious, military action is not the only way of taking back the north. Turkey is heavily reliant on its NATO allies for spares for its military hardware, should it turn to Russia for replacements it is likely to suffer all sorts of embargoes. Foreign investment would dry up as would its tourist industry.

Erdogan, like some former Cypriot leaders, overestimates his power and influence on the international stage; let's hope he has gone too far this time and gets his arse kicked by his principal ally. :D
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:42 pm

The last time NATO troops were shooting at each other Cyprus in 74, when Eldyk came face to face with Turkdyk and the Turk invasion.
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:11 am

Robin Hood wrote:Kikapu:
What if the USA and Turkey get into a shooting match in Syria and the USA is using Cyprus as a base to launch it's fighter jets and then Turkey tries to take action against the USA in Cyprus, then it will be all over for Turkey in Cyprus as the USA can give air support as well as arms to the 100,000 reservist in the RoC to take on the Turkish army in the north. Once the skies over Cyprus is closed for Turkish jets and supply route by ship is cut of from Turkey to Cyprus, the Turkish Troops in the north can be pushed into the sea as they will not have an escape route. That really is Turkey's Achilles heel in Cyprus, that it's troops cannot have the possibility to retreat back to Turkey as they will be cut off from the main land and are then stuck on the island. Interesting times ahead.


A possible but I think an unlikely scenario, it would not be in the US’s interests. No one gains anything and In the meantime a lot of Cyprus towns like Limassol and Paphos end up looking like Raqqa and hundreds even thousands die. One thing for sure is that you will not see US/UK boots on the ground so they would end up doing to the CNG what they have done to the Kurds. Cannon fodder!

Einstein was right when he said:

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." - Albert Einstein :roll:


The USA does not need to have boots on the ground in Cyprus per se. They need to have control over the skies over Cyprus to prevent Turkish jets coming over and block shipping from the north to Turkey. Air and sea support by the USA, the rest can be done by the 100,000 CNG. Conversely, as Jerry suggested, use economic strangle over Turkey, which may come in April anyway, once the sentencing is passed in New York over the Gold for Oil trade with Iran. I expect nothing less than $20-30 Billion fine for the Turkish Bank in question. The fireworks will start once the bank/Turkey refuses to pay.
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby boomerang » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:36 am

They dont need cyprus kiks they got their fleet sitting in east med...

They will never leave turkey as well...they will send their jihadist into turkey create an atmospere where they are seen as going in to help them, turkey, as nato helping out....of course they will keep sth turkey, where their bases are, and nth turkey will always be fighting with the ruskis coming to help nth turkey, something similar to syria...

This is how the game will be played...borders will be closed and no mass exodus, they will leave pockets as safe zones...

That is if they go after turkey...the americans have been saying cannot afford to lose turkey...this way they lose nothing...

Europe gets the gas from the ruskis and everyone is happy...
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby boomerang » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:42 am

Anyone seen as threat to israel will pay the price...
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:06 pm

I think the Americans are ready to punish the Turks, starting in Syria before moving into Turkey, now that they have finally, with the help of the Russians, they got Turkey into Syria, acting alone to clash with the Americans and the YPG if the Turks get past Afrin heading to Manbij, which is where the Americans are. If one American is killed there due to the Turks action, I would expect B-2s to come in and take out the Turk's tanks, leaving them to face the YPG face to face. American Jets are already in the skies of Syria, so I don't think Turkey will be sending it's jets anywhere near Manbij.
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Re: Battle Of Afrin.

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jan 29, 2018 3:34 pm

Well, lets see what Erdogan will do now. I hope he pushes to Manbij, or else he will have to turn back with his tail between his legs!

US won't withdraw troops from YPG-held Manbij, top commander says

https://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisi ... ander-says
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