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Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby MrH » Mon Jan 29, 2018 1:44 pm

Well, well, well, it appears that the Greek Cypriot voters have finally understood the most viable, realistic and practical, and acceptable, Comprehensive solution of the Cyprus Problem. Enjoy the read!


http://cyprus-mail.com/2018/01/28/view-reunification-no-longer-option-todays-voters/

Our View: Reunification no longer an option for today’s voters

SEVERAL pro-settlement commentators have argued that today’s presidential elections will be a vote on whether Greek Cypriots still want the reunification of the island under a bizonal, bicommunal federation (BBF). They reason that if Nicos Anastasiades and Stavros Malas go through to the run-off it will indicate the majority of voters still wanted a settlement, as they will have rejected the hard-line candidates, Nikolas Papadopoulos and Giorgos Lillikas, whose Cyprus problem policy is designed to preserve the status quo.

It is a rather over-simplified analysis, which ignores the fact that the national issue did not feature prominently in the campaign as it had in past elections; it was just another issue like the compensation of the haircut victims. Only once before – in 2013 – had it been relegated to secondary importance but the country was then faced with bigger and much more pressing problems. In all other presidential elections, the Cyprus problem was the only issue, dominating debate and overshadowing everything else to the extent that it became tiresome.

Things are different this time and it is most probably because the parties have discovered through opinion polls, focus groups and other methods gauging public sentiment that ‘the’ problem is not a major concern for voters. Given that our politicians traditionally have been more comfortable following the people than taking the risk of leading them, the candidates’ teams decided to concentrate on issues considered to have greater vote-winning potential such as compensating haircut victims, championing the national health scheme and increasing pension payments.

There were attempts to play ‘the’ problem card, with Papadopoulos kicking off his campaign with his much-trumpeted ‘new strategy’, but it did not have much effect. People largely ignored it and his election rivals dismissed it as wishful thinking apart from Lillikas who complained the Diko candidate had stolen his ideas. Malas has promoted himself as the only candidate sincerely committed to reunification and BBF, and he may have won a few non-Akel, pro-settlement votes as a result, but his campaign has focused more on social and economic issues. As for Anastasiades, he preserved the status quo by pretending to be committed to a settlement – the default position of all our party leaders – but not an achievement he could play up in an election.

Anastasiades’ real achievement, which was probably unintentional, was to make people finally give up on the Cyprus problem and any idea of a settlement. The public saw him take the talks as far as they could go, participating in two international conferences attended by the guarantor powers and the UN secretary-general speaking directly to Turkey. The process eventually collapsed and Anastasiades blamed this 100 per cent on Turkey’s intransigence, an assertion he had no trouble selling to Greek Cypriots even though it was subsequently negated by the UNSG’s report. People reasoned that if the man who had proved his pro-settlement credentials and suffered the political costs of his unwavering support for the reviled Annan plan, could not agree a deal, nobody could. The general view was that all prospects of a deal were destroyed in Crans-Montana and it was time to move on.

People were probably not so keen on a settlement by the time the parties met in Crans-Montana. The Anastasiades government had helped create a negative climate in the preceding period, and by then another factor had come into play. The signs of economic recovery were evident and people were less inclined to support a deal which entailed risks. When the country was deep in recession, a settlement was seen as the only way to kick-start our failing economy and create prospects for growth, but public support waned once we returned on the path to recovery – there was no reason to risk the return to prosperity by getting a Cyprus deal.

The candidates were aware that people were ready for permanent separation, but none of them was bold or honest enough to mention even the possibility of negotiating partition in the campaign, for fear of being accused of surrendering the occupied territories to Turkey. Instead, apart from Malas, they have taken positions on the Cyprus problem that will ensure partition. They have simply set conditions for resuming the peace process that the Turkish side will never accept. In this way, they are avoiding responsibility for the inevitable outcome which will be blamed on Turkey’s intransigence and maximalist objectives.

The truth is there is negligible public opposition to this approach. People know where it will lead, even though the candidates would not dare mention the outcome by name. The only possible opposition might come from refugees, but candidates have managed to get them on side by promising them state land, Turkish Cypriot properties, cash assistance and annual compensation for loss of use of their properties among other things.

Under the circumstances, it is naïve to suggest today’s elections are a vote on whether people want reunification. This is not considered an option any more.



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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby DrCyprus » Mon Jan 29, 2018 2:14 pm

Did you write that article?
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby Get Real! » Mon Jan 29, 2018 4:46 pm

MrH wrote:Our View: Reunification no longer an option for today’s voters

Who writes this total garbage? :)

Reunification was NEVER an option because the notion was utter nonsense!

The suggestion that native Cypriots were at any point in time united with Ottomans or Ottoman remnants so as to call for a “reunification”, is ludicrous and an insult to our intelligence!

Nothing short of the 100% LIBERATION of Christian Cyprus from dirty Ottoman/Turkish Islamic hands, can ever satisfy Cypriots.
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby B25 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:45 pm

GR, don't be too quick on that front, with the sheep mentality of the Cypriot voting public, they have managed to put in place 2 turk supporting traitors that are about to hand over the country to Erdogan, and we will have no one else to blame but ourselves.

I cannot fathom, the idea of all this Turkification that we the GCs are going to allow here. Don't we have any patriots on this Fckg island any more. The irony of all this is when those MF Ananstasiades and Malakas go to church to honour the missing heros and those of the original EOKA, men that died for the freedom of this island, only for these traitors to just hand it to Turkey on a plate.

I hope you all go now and get your foreskins cut off and start wearing a Fez and don't blame me I never voted for these c*nts.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:07 am

Your problem B25 is that you cry too much!

The fact is that at no time did any of our governments (past or present) hand over anything to Turkey.

That they played along with Turkey on many occasions, to test the waters is an old story that we should never interpret as “giving away”.

All our governments have known from the onset that there will never be a “TC State” because we would never accept one and the “negotiations” were always bullshit to test Turkey’s intentions for liberation options.

At the end of the day the RoC does not support gifting Cypriot territory to Ottoman remnants, and apparently... neither does Turkey!

You admitted yourself that our government/s has/have gifted "everything" to Turkey and Turkey always declined… well use your head then.

If the RoC is so generous at “gifting” (with words) and Turkey is so good at declining the “generous offers”, what does that tell you?

That it’s nothing but a game to buy TIME, for both.

Turkey wants TIME to prolong their stay on Cyprus, and the RoC wants TIME for geopolitical change that will remove the Turkish invader.

In fact the only ones crying about TIME is the TC community (read the court jester) who think that there is a “state” coming in their direction! <-- :lol:

Say "Hi!" to the Cypriot deep state!
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Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:00 am

MrH, if you want to fight the "Greeks", you must fight the "Turks"; if you are Cypriot this is the truth.
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby B25 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:26 am

Get Real! wrote:The fact is that at no time did any of our governments (past or present) hand over anything to Turkey.!


GR, where the Cyprob is concerned, yes you are right I do cry, because in my view we are about to turn to shit when either of those 2 dickheads get the chair.

I say gifted, because, in Crans-Montana, Ananstasiades did offer the RoC to Turkey by accepting practically ALL of their demands, we were seriously lucky that the greed on the Turkish side prevented them accepting them. We were saved once again, lest you will be wearing a fez by now and praying 5 times a day.

I see very rocky days ahead with the mentality of both these pro-turk potential presidents, I hope to God I am wrong, but somehow I doubt it!

I am not convinced we will hold onto the RoC, but agree to some BS BBF and legalise all of the Turks illegalities of the past and that we will be told to shut up and suck it up. You only have to hear the comments from the two clowns going to the second round to understand their mentality.

I pray every night that the Turks F Up and shoot down some US aircraft, blowup some US tank and then we may see a game change, until then we are sold out just like the Kurds. Have a nice day.
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby Kikapu » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:41 am

B25 wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The fact is that at no time did any of our governments (past or present) hand over anything to Turkey.!


GR, where the Cyprob is concerned, yes you are right I do cry, because in my view we are about to turn to shit when either of those 2 dickheads get the chair.

I say gifted, because, in Crans-Montana, Ananstasiades did offer the RoC to Turkey by accepting practically ALL of their demands, we were seriously lucky that the greed on the Turkish side prevented them accepting them. We were saved once again, lest you will be wearing a fez by now and praying 5 times a day.

I see very rocky days ahead with the mentality of both these pro-turk potential presidents, I hope to God I am wrong, but somehow I doubt it!

I am not convinced we will hold onto the RoC, but agree to some BS BBF and legalise all of the Turks illegalities of the past and that we will be told to shut up and suck it up. You only have to hear the comments from the two clowns going to the second round to understand their mentality.

I pray every night that the Turks F Up and shoot down some US aircraft, blowup some US tank and then we may see a game change, until then we are sold out just like the Kurds. Have a nice day.


B25,

GR is right. The GCs have been playing Turkey and the TCs for the last 40+ years in “negotiations” without giving anything away, and will continue to do so, which is why MrH constantly tries the “reverse psychology” comments, that, if the RoC recognizes the “trnc”, then the north will not become part of Turkey, which is a stupid argument, because Turkey controls the north now and also controls the TCs. Have faith brother, because lately Turkey has been playing Russian Roulette in Syria with the Russians and the Americans. Personally, the Russians and the Americans have been playing Turkey as a “team”, which can’t be good for Turkey. Let’s hope that the Turks will push for Manbij in Syria to take on the Americans there, now that Erdoğan said that he would. I think the Americans and the Russians working together have laid a trap for Turkey to enter Syria. Coming out will be made very difficult for Turkey.
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby Get Real! » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:06 pm

B25 wrote:GR, where the Cyprob is concerned, yes you are right I do cry, because in my view we are about to turn to shit when either of those 2 dickheads get the chair.

I say gifted, because, in Crans-Montana, Ananstasiades did offer the RoC to Turkey by accepting practically ALL of their demands, we were seriously lucky that the greed on the Turkish side prevented them accepting them. We were saved once again, lest you will be wearing a fez by now and praying 5 times a day.

I see very rocky days ahead with the mentality of both these pro-turk potential presidents, I hope to God I am wrong, but somehow I doubt it!

I am not convinced we will hold onto the RoC, but agree to some BS BBF and legalise all of the Turks illegalities of the past and that we will be told to shut up and suck it up. You only have to hear the comments from the two clowns going to the second round to understand their mentality.

I pray every night that the Turks F Up and shoot down some US aircraft, blowup some US tank and then we may see a game change, until then we are sold out just like the Kurds. Have a nice day.

:? My goodness you sound like an old uneducated woman lamenting over the unknown… but had you been smart there wouldn’t be any unknowns!

Why is it you can’t figure it out after 50 years of watching the same bloody sitcom over and over? :?

How may more decades will you need to figure out that a “TC state” doesn’t serve the RoC nor Turkey, which is why it will NEVER come to pass.

When the two powers that have 99.9% of the say don’t want to… have a guess what happens… nothing! :lol:
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Re: Cyprus Elections and the True Voter Opinion!

Postby B25 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:02 pm

Get Real! wrote:
B25 wrote:GR, where the Cyprob is concerned, yes you are right I do cry, because in my view we are about to turn to shit when either of those 2 dickheads get the chair.

I say gifted, because, in Crans-Montana, Ananstasiades did offer the RoC to Turkey by accepting practically ALL of their demands, we were seriously lucky that the greed on the Turkish side prevented them accepting them. We were saved once again, lest you will be wearing a fez by now and praying 5 times a day.

I see very rocky days ahead with the mentality of both these pro-turk potential presidents, I hope to God I am wrong, but somehow I doubt it!

I am not convinced we will hold onto the RoC, but agree to some BS BBF and legalise all of the Turks illegalities of the past and that we will be told to shut up and suck it up. You only have to hear the comments from the two clowns going to the second round to understand their mentality.

I pray every night that the Turks F Up and shoot down some US aircraft, blowup some US tank and then we may see a game change, until then we are sold out just like the Kurds. Have a nice day.

:? My goodness you sound like an old uneducated woman lamenting over the unknown… but had you been smart there wouldn’t be any unknowns!

Why is it you can’t figure it out after 50 years of watching the same bloody sitcom over and over? :?

How may more decades will you need to figure out that a “TC state” doesn’t serve the RoC nor Turkey, which is why it will NEVER come to pass.

When the two powers that have 99.9% of the say don’t want to… have a guess what happens… nothing! :lol:


Would you like to wager a small bet???? :)

In the 50 previous years we had no hydrocarbons to entice Turkey, the then presidents were probably better than those of today, and today we just have Turkish cock sucking presidential hopefulls, who knows what they have been promised. anyway, I just hope you are right and would gladly lose the bet, but somehow I doubt it.
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