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UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby DrCyprus » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:38 pm

Kikapu wrote:Are you really sure Gavin Jones is half Greek Cypriot, or is that just a disguise for him being pro Turkey and anti RoC? :wink:


Gavin Jones would not come to this forum and post "I am Gavin Jones".

Especially since Lordo is the real Gavin Jones.
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby RichardB » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:55 pm

MrH wrote:I can no longer comment on this forum.

Regards,
Gavin Jones.


Now who is no longer going to comment on the forum , MrH or Gavin Jones??
I recall MrH has said numerous times in the last couple of months that it was the last time he was going to post

Regards

#confused.com
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby Get Real! » Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:37 pm

After years (maybe decades) of posting their rants, the articles of the likes of MrH, or Gavin, or Peter Pan, or Lubiloo, have had a ZERO effect on the CyProb and a ZERO effect on reader’s opinions, so I wouldn’t worry too much about any of these characters. :)
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:07 pm

http://cyprus-mail.com/2014/02/02/the-m ... the-state/

...do you think that this man, and his writing, is, MrH?

http://cyprus-mail.com/tag/gavin-jones/

Whatever your opinion of him, this man knows how to write. MrH has not demonstrated this skill, and nothing original in this detail has he written, here.

MrH went too far. His ideas of "Greeks" and their capacity, only reflects badly on their contemporaries no different, (like) the "Turks".
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby B25 » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:56 pm

GJ has a fish to fry, given his legal battle after his mothers death, he has turned to try and burn the rest of the GCs with his BS writings.

here is one of his books written with another well known GC hater, may the both got to hell and rot there until eternity.

A Mental State
A Family’s Kafkaesque Nightmare When Dementia Struck
Gavin Jones & Alan Waring

AW, what another c*nt he is. No doubt MrH takes delight in publishing their scribblings, sad MFs.
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:16 am

B25 wrote:GJ has a fish to fry, given his legal battle after his mothers death, he has turned to try and burn the rest of the GCs with his BS writings.

here is one of his books written with another well known GC hater, may the both got to hell and rot there until eternity.

A Mental State
A Family’s Kafkaesque Nightmare When Dementia Struck
Gavin Jones & Alan Waring

AW, what another c*nt he is. No doubt MrH takes delight in publishing their scribblings, sad MFs.


It's kind of like a Greek Cypriot posting Sener Levent articles in a Turkish forum.
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Jul 15, 2018 7:50 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...Oceanside, you live in the US, America is a BBF, what are you saying?

(intentions count)

...xronia pola, did i wish you a Happy New Year?



Dear Amigo RW,

The USA is not a BBF as you stated. First let’s give a brief explanation of how the American federal system is designed and them go to the Proposed federal system of Cyprus

American federation:

One federal government which has Supremacy over the (50) states in all matters

Proposed BBF for Cyprus... Federal government is equal to the states government (2)

Profound differences.. just from this one statement
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 18, 2018 12:24 am

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

America is a BBF. What is presented to Cypriots is not yet clear. Nothing but a State, where Cypriots can call themselves' Cypriot, and where they are represented as such can exist, if there also exists another level of Government where as Individuals, Cypriots may choose to identify themselves as Persons, Constituencies, as well.

You seem to believe that what is being presented is the only choice: not so. And as i have said many times before, the debate is flawed. It is designed to satisfy the "Greeks" and the "Turks". Their intention is to deny Cypriots an existence, to usurp their sovereignty, as well as degrading them to a non- existence. Don't be fooled. If Cypriots cannot elect a Government, their Government, as Cypriots without further distinction or discrimination, there is no BBF.
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby Nikitas » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:34 am

Natural gas has made partition unacceptable to Turkey.

Partition means recognising firstly your own borders and those of others and the TRNC borders do not contain natural gas.

Chavus has lately been harping on about a confederation, a feeble attempt at partition while keeping turkish hands on the natural resources which belong to "all Cypriots" when located in the south, but are exclusive to the Turkish Cypriots when they lie in the north (Xeros mines).

Public opinion in the RC is ready for partition. They have had enough of the never ending stream of threats. An analysis of TC and Turkish officials' statements over the last five years is revealing, there is not one single conciliatory statement, not one promise of better times ahead. They are all threats or warnings. Whoever is doing their PR does not know the basics of communication.
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Re: UNITARY or PARTITION - NO "Federal" Middle Ground!

Postby Kikapu » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:33 am

Nikitas wrote:Natural gas has made partition unacceptable to Turkey.

Partition means recognising firstly your own borders and those of others and the TRNC borders do not contain natural gas.

Chavus has lately been harping on about a confederation, a feeble attempt at partition while keeping turkish hands on the natural resources which belong to "all Cypriots" when located in the south, but are exclusive to the Turkish Cypriots when they lie in the north (Xeros mines).

Public opinion in the RC is ready for partition. They have had enough of the never ending stream of threats. An analysis of TC and Turkish officials' statements over the last five years is revealing, there is not one single conciliatory statement, not one promise of better times ahead. They are all threats or warnings. Whoever is doing their PR does not know the basics of communication.


I agree with you, Nikitas

Worse day for Turkey was when the Annan Plan was voted down, and the second worse day for Turkey was when a week later 100% of Cyprus became a full member of the EU. Those two acts have cut Turkey off the knees to have any control over the whole island unless the GCs give it to them in the form of another "Annan Plan", a Confederation deal. The RoC will not do neither, which means the status quo remains, which is better than any "Annan Plan" or the same, a Confederation plan.
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