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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby CBBB » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:46 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:Also strange how their passports are sequentially numbered....


They are friends, they applied at the same time?
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby supporttheunderdog » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:58 am

CBBB wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:Also strange how their passports are sequentially numbered....


They are friends, they applied at the same time?


LOL....

Friends? "The love that dare not speak its name" was hinted at in the interview....not healthy in Russia with its slightly old fashioned outlook...

However, even my twin daughters' Russian passports, applied for at the same time, are not sequential.....
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:05 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:"Alexander Petrov" and "Ruslan Boshirov" complained about the snow yet despite this alleged snow fall they are known to have managed to walk out to within a short distance of the Skripal's house,and back, close to two miles out of town, in the opposite direction to the Cathedral from the Station and where no one else seemed to have any trouble getting about town or to Stonehenge.

Why had they walked out there, in the alleged deep snow, rather than spend time in the Cathedral, with its clock, which in my view is worth about the time they are known to have spent in Salisbury, or e.g. find a cafe ?

They can hardly have got lost, as with its Spire, "It’s famous for its 123m spire " it is quite hard to not see where the Cathedral is ...

Also strange how their passports are sequentially numbered....


The cathedral is less than a mile from Salisbury station. On 4th March there was sparse snow and people were going about their business normally. If you look at the CCTV there's no sign of snow. As you point out, they walked what would have been double that distance in order to be within proximity of the Skrypal's house. Their whole story's clearly just a total crock with more holes than a colander.

Having watched the interview, the body language, how badly briefed they were, their nervousness, it's difficult to escape the conclusion that the pair of them have been hung out to dry. Perhaps for totally botching the operation?

You need to be careful though STUD. By pointing out the clear anomalies and absurdity of their story you are putting yourself in the "Plonker" zone. :wink:
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Fri Sep 14, 2018 3:50 pm

Is it any wonder I rarely add anything to the debates on this form no? :roll: I stick my head above the parapet and you leap out of the undergrowth, all tooled up with your arse on fire and ready for another self opinion driven rampant character assassination!

As I said 'Same old, same old'.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:00 pm

Robin Hood wrote:Is it any wonder I rarely add anything to the debates on this form no? :roll: I stick my head above the parapet and you leap out of the undergrowth, all tooled up with your arse on fire and ready for another self opinion driven rampant character assassination!

As I said 'Same old, same old'.


:lol: You stopped adding much, long before I joined this thread. :wink: That, simply because you ran out of people. Nothing to do with me. What do you think’s happened to Paphitis? He’s obviously gone the inevitable way all those who disagree with you over a protracted period do.

I suspect, as inflexible as you are once you’ve made up your mind on something, and despite your dogmatic belief in all things Putin says being gospel, that even you can see how ridiculous the defence of this appalling, bungled crime has become. It’s gotten embarrassing and is just being crafted for domestic consumption.

That would be tantamount to an admission that you’ve been wrong of course. Something I gave up holding my breathe for 8 years ago. In that time, it’s simply never happened.

Nobody that matters a fig to Russia is swallowing all this BS. It’s been a hopeless, frantic damage limitation exercise since day one. Bordering on pathetic at times. Food poisoning. :roll:

BTW, wrt your good self, my “arse on fire” has been the situation since your spiteful persona surfaced. You have never been a “victim”. As far as you’re concerned, that role’s fallen to me.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Sat Sep 15, 2018 6:29 am

Note the knee deep snow/slush, which apparently drove these Moscow boys back to London after less than 2 hours in Salisbury.

Also, the complete absence of anything which suggests “tourists”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-455150 ... -salisbury
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:07 am

Londonrake wrote:Note the knee deep snow/slush, which apparently drove these Moscow boys back to London after less than 2 hours in Salisbury.

Also, the complete absence of anything which suggests “tourists”.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-455150 ... -salisbury


BBC ......... Looks like a bit of selective reporting?

The Strange Russian Alibi - By Craig Murray

September 13, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - Like many, my first thought at the interview of Boshirov and Petrov – which apparently are indeed their names – is that they were very unconvincing. The interview itself seemed to be set up around a cramped table with a poor camera and lighting, and the interviewer seemed pretty hopeless at asking probing questions that would shed any real light.

I had in fact decided that their story was highly improbable, until I started seeing the storm of twitter posting, much of it from mainstream media journalists, which stated that individual things were impossible which were, in fact, not impossible at all.

The first and most obvious regards the weather on 3 and 4 March. It is in fact absolutely true that, if the two had gone down to Salisbury on 3 March with the intention of going to Stonehenge, they would have been unable to get there because of the snow. It is therefore perfectly possible that they went back the next day to try again; and public transport out of Salisbury was still severely disrupted, and many roads closed, on 4 March. Proof of this is not at all difficult to find.

The full article ......

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50255.htm


Predicted response:
• Rubbish the web site.
• Ridicule and belittle the author.
• Ridicule, belittle and then present an historic history of previous perceived transgressions by the poster.
• Off hand dismissal as ‘... the usual Russian/Kremlin/Putin propaganda’.

BTW: I fully agree with Scottie, I believe the Russian version ....... ‘We were not involved! If you insist we were, please show us the evidence?’
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Londonrake » Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:51 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course. There’s no way you would accept absolutely anything which disturbs your view. However, for somebody who regularly presents little more than highly prejudiced opinion, from fringe sites populated with people just like yourself, without a hint of “evidence”, to ask repeatedly for such, when it stares you in the face is - well - hypocritical? Food poisoning? :lol:

Looks like “selective” CCTV of the 2 walking through snowless Salisbury to me and I’m pretty sure to any reasonable person.

You’ve been shopping at the opinion clearing house then. :D

If in your desperation you have to rely on what a well known touchy-feely, knee-jerk poster, who usually hasn’t got much of a clue what they’re talking about, on another forum for support ..................Oh, dear! :(

Must be frustrating for you. Gotta curb that anger thing. Ultimately it’s always tended to backfire.

Speakin’ of which. Inciting others to do violence on your behalf is a criminal offence. I’ve got a very damning first half of the picture, as thought by all who have seen it (evidence :wink: ). If there’s ever any hint of the other half appearing I suspect you would find the way things spin out of control breathtaking.

It’s a chat Forum, after all. Not the centre of the bleedin’ universe. As CBBB said, you should get a life.

PS. The CPS - a notoriously conservative body - have said that there is enough evidence to put these two guys on trial, with an excellent chance of conviction. Of course, as with the 2 who murdered Litivenko, that's never going to happen.
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:36 am

Londonrake wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

Of course. There’s no way you would accept absolutely anything which disturbs your view. However, for somebody who regularly presents little more than highly prejudiced opinion, from fringe sites populated with people just like yourself, without a hint of “evidence”, to ask repeatedly for such, when it stares you in the face is - well - hypocritical? Food poisoning? :lol:

Looks like “selective” CCTV of the 2 walking through snowless Salisbury to me and I’m pretty sure to any reasonable person.

You’ve been shopping at the opinion clearing house then. :D

If in your desperation you have to rely on what a well known touchy-feely, knee-jerk poster, who usually hasn’t got much of a clue what they’re talking about, on another forum for support ..................Oh, dear! :(

Must be frustrating for you. Gotta curb that anger thing. Ultimately it’s always tended to backfire.

Speakin’ of which. Inciting others to do violence on your behalf is a criminal offence. I’ve got a very damning first half of the picture, as thought by all who have seen it (evidence :wink: ). If there’s ever any hint of the other half appearing I suspect you would find the way things spin out of control breathtaking.

It’s a chat Forum, after all. Not the centre of the bleedin’ universe. As CBBB said, you should get a life.

PS. The CPS - a notoriously conservative body - have said that there is enough evidence to put these two guys on trial, with an excellent chance of conviction. Of course, as with the 2 who murdered Litivenko, that's never going to happen.


My prediction of your response was dead on I see, as a member of The Mob you are so predictable .... the MO is always the same!
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Re: The Skripal poisoning affair ..... was it Russia/Putin?

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:06 am

Lynch Mob Mentality

I am astonished by the hatred that has been unleashed.

By Craig Murray

September 14, 2018 "Information Clearing House" - I was caught in a twitterstorm of hatred yesterday, much of it led by mainstream media journalists like David Aaronovitch and Dan Hodges, for daring to suggest that the basic elements of Boshirov and Petrov’s story do in fact stack up. What became very plain quite quickly was that none of these people had any grasp of the detail of the suspects’ full twenty minute interview, but had just seen the short clips or quotes as presented by British corporate and state media.

As I explained in my last post, what first gave me some sympathy for the Russians’ story and drew me to look at it closer, was the raft of social media claims that there was no snow in Salisbury that weekend and Stonehenge had not been closed. In fact, Stonehenge was indeed closed on 3 March by heavy snow, as confirmed by English Heritage. So the story that they came to Salisbury on 3 March but could not go to Stonehenge because of heavy snow did stand up, contrary to almost the entire twittersphere.

Once there was some pushback of truth about this on social media, people started triumphantly posting the CCTV images from 4 March to prove that there was no snow lying in Central Salisbury on 4 March. But nobody ever said there was snow on 4 March – in fact Borisov and Petrov specifically stated that they learnt there was a thaw so they went back. However when they got there, they encountered heavy sleet and got drenched through. That accords precisely with the photographic evidence in which they are plainly drenched through.

Interesting ..... another bit of Mr.Plods ‘evidence’ trashed........

............. and here the safety of the identification of the microscopic traces of novichok allegedly found in their hotel bedroom is key. I am no scientist, but I have been told by someone who is, that if the particle(s) were as the police state so small as to be harmless to humans, they would be too small for mass spectrometry analysis and almost certainly could not be firmly identified other than as an organophosphate (i.e. Cleaning materials! ..... in a cheap hotel room? ...... never!.....must have been Russian cleaning materials ..... kills all known germs/Discredited MI6 & GRU Agents/drunks/drug addicts and drop outs in general!) Perhaps someone qualified might care to comment.

Full article ......... read it here ..... you won’t find it in the Daily Mail/Guardian/Telegraph etc ...... although you might find it in Sputnik or RT, in the 'Breaking Propaganda' section!!


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/50264.htm
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