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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 21, 2018 12:46 pm

Londonrake wrote:There was an agreed convention, which stood throughout the Cold War years. Aircraft would undertake 3 ship passes, usually photographic runs. I can’t recall the proximity limits but they were well defined, safe distances. Normally you would fly low past one side, turn back and down the other. Finally you gained height (hundreds of feet) and flew directly over the top, bow to stern. That was it. Wave goodbye (often they did :lol: ). There were also very strict criteria relating to aircraft interceptions. Followed generally by both sides.

Under Putin this seems to have been abandoned and Russian aircraft “buzzing” ships, as close as tens of feet, carrying out extensive mock attacks appears to have become the norm.

So, gone, like another long-standing mutual convention. People involved in formal spy exchanges are left to get on with their lives (another thread). YES .... so says the UK although they have yet to explain why they would believe that to have changed.


That was then ( up to 1991) and with the defunct USSR ..... this is now and with a resurgent Russian Federation.

Then .... there was a Warsaw pact that then disbanded on the then US Presidential assurance that NATO would not move 1cm toward the East if you remember? So I think many promises and assurances fell by the wayside. Lesson learned ..... you can't take US assurances for granted. :roll:
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Apr 21, 2018 3:31 pm

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Or this video taken from the deck of the Donald Cook by the crew! I would suggest maybe just a warning not to get too close to Russian military bases.

Compilation of Russian jets passing near the USS Donald Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFnDfvUVGc




What did they say before the "oh my God" at 1:33
I mean what was the sentence with the word "bridge" ?
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:23 pm

Here is your clue. "Continue to track and monitor"

What does that mean? Continue to track (by radar) and monitor.

No intent to do anything else. Certainly doesn't mean shoot at it. And it also doesn't mean that they are incapacitated if they are tracking by radar and have it locked.

Certainly, the Ships were not dead in the water.

So no, the USS Donald Cook was never disabled. It is still active in the Mediterranean and an important part of the 6th Fleet. And it will be for a long time given the fact it is an Arleigh Burke and one of the most potent ships on the planet.

All these Russian claims point to one thing. Russia is way behind and is playing a game of smoke and mirrors to give a false impression of their capability. Its the same with the S400. The claims of invincibility without a track record in order to bolster its deterrence value. the deterrence value is completely lost once the flick the switch and the Coalition starts having target practice.
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:36 pm

Paphitis wrote:Here is your clue. "Continue to track and monitor"

What does that mean? Continue to track (by radar) and monitor.

No intent to do anything else. Certainly doesn't mean shoot at it. And it also doesn't mean that they are incapacitated if they are tracking by radar and have it locked.

Certainly, the Ships were not dead in the water.

So no, the USS Donald Cook was never disabled. It is still active in the Mediterranean and an important part of the 6th Fleet. And it will be for a long time given the fact it is an Arleigh Burke and one of the most potent ships on the planet.

All these Russian claims point to one thing. Russia is way behind and is playing a game of smoke and mirrors to give a false impression of their capability.


SHE was on the deck how could she 'track and monitor' other than visually?

Well .... you have it your way, believe what you want to! :roll:
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:39 pm

No when you maintain visual contact they would say:

"we have visual"

But track and monitor means that their Fire Control Radar is actually tracking a target. Those Russian planes would have been locked 50 or more miles away.

The AEGIS also controls the Phalanx CIWS.
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:41 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:
Or this video taken from the deck of the Donald Cook by the crew! I would suggest maybe just a warning not to get too close to Russian military bases.

Compilation of Russian jets passing near the USS Donald Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFnDfvUVGc




What did they say before the "oh my God" at 1:33
I mean what was the sentence with the word "bridge" ?


I am guessing but I heard '.... below the bridge wing!'. I would assume he was lower than the walkway that sticks out either side of the bridge? :wink:
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:45 pm

They have a Port and Starboard Watch and they would report to the operations Room which is where all the AEGIS magic happens.

They would say things like "aircraft passing Port side low or high" with reference to the Bridge.

What is also striking is the fact that Communications were clear. In an Electronic Warfare environment you try and Jam or interfere with communications as well by blotting frequencies with interference.
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:48 pm

Paphitis wrote:No when you maintain visual contact they would say:

"we have visual"

No ..... that is what they say when they are looking in the direction the RADAR tells them the contact is coming from!

But track and monitor means that their Fire Control Radar is actually tracking a target. Those Russian planes would have been locked 50 or more miles away.

Read the article .... the whole system stopped .... they were, as they say, dead in the water!

The AEGIS also controls the Phalanx CIWS.

Would that not give a 'lock-on' indication in the attacking aircraft and evoke an immediate response?



Where is your proof ..... I want to see screen shots, otherwise it's just propaganda! :roll:

The Huffington Post seems to know more about what happened than you do! :lol: :lol:
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Paphitis » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:00 pm

You sure they know. Or maybe that is what they want to believe.

What is proof? the fact that the Donald Cook is active near Syria. it wouldn't be active if the Russians had this miraculous capability of rendering the entire USN as dead in the water.

And visual means visual contact not radar.

On radar you are firstly identified and tracked.
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Re: Evidence suggests that the S400 is a dud!

Postby Robin Hood » Sat Apr 21, 2018 5:19 pm

Paphitis wrote:You sure they know. Or maybe that is what they want to believe.

So the Huffington just writes fairy stories .... I am surprised they don't start with 'Once upon a time .... maybe your wife could get you a job with them you seem to have all the attributes. :roll: '

What is proof? the fact that the Donald Cook is active near Syria. it wouldn't be active if the Russians had this miraculous capability of rendering the entire USN as dead in the water.


Read the article ..... they later at least partially recovered their systems and resumed on their way to the nearest friendly port. I read that the Russians even offered them a tow if they needed it!
:lol: :lol:

And visual means visual contact not radar.

Read what I said again,...... use your finger to point if you need to!

On radar you are firstly identified and tracked.

Not when all you have got is a visual ..... she continues to make the comment she would if all was working!

Your reading skills are somewhat lacking. :roll:

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