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[Paphitis]

I didn't see any article from the Huffington Post.

And yes, how the hell would they know if a USN was "dead in the water." You saw a video of the same incident where the Americans actually said "track and monitor". That video showed the USS Donald Cook incident.

so no they were not "dead in the water" at all.

Sounds like another typical Russian boast about their capability. Apparently their equipment is so much better and unbeatable even. Well, if that is the case, put it to the test and let's see.

All I saw was a bunch of Russian jets conducting illegal flypasts over USN Ships. They did not obey any protocols like we saw the RAF do when they were conducting flypasts near the Rusty Kuznetsov.

[Robin Hood]

I didn't see any article from the Huffington Post.

And yes, how the hell would they know if a USN was "dead in the water." You saw a video of the same incident where the Americans actually said "track and monitor". That video showed the USS Donald Cook incident.

so no they were not "dead in the water" at all.

Sounds like another typical Russian boast about their capability. Apparently their equipment is so much better and unbeatable even. Well, if that is the case, put it to the test and let's see.

All I saw was a bunch of Russian jets conducting illegal flypasts over USN Ships. They did not obey any protocols like we saw the RAF do when they were conducting flypasts near the Rusty Kuznetsov.

They did give it a test ..... you lost! The ship is stationary and had lost most if not all of the electronics down ..... that is what dead in the water means.

As posted ..........

The USS Donald Cook meets Sukhoi SU 24

I will add these paragraphs ..... just for you as you didn’t read the whole article!

As it turns out what may have been ‘demoralizing’to the crew was that as the Russian jet approached the Cook, which was narrowly close to Sevastopol, the ship’s much-vaunted AEGIS system was entirely shut down rendering the Cook’s entire communication system useless, its radar based weapons jammed and its anti-air missile function disrupted. With the crew unable to restart AEGIS, we might better understand why there might have been some consternation on-board the Cook.

Few western media covered the story, most dutifully denying any such neutering of AEGIS had occurred and that if the SU-24 was carrying any electronic warfare (EW) equipment known as Khibiny, it would have been visible on the jet’s wing tip where it would normally be found on similar Russian jets. A Khibiny is a mounted EW capsule, considered the most advanced in the world and since there was no observable Khibiny located on the wing dip, such a report of a muted AEGIS must be erroneous. What was not mentioned however was that the video of the jet ‘buzzing’ the Cook clearly indicates a pod mounted on the center line of the Russian SU-24 as well as a basket under the fuselage - either could be a Khibiny pod.

And this ..........

While the Pentagon did not directly refute the AEGIS failure, the mention of a “demoralizing” crew becomes more understandable with reports that, after AEGIS ceased to function, the SU-24 flew over the Cook’s deck repeatedly while simulating an offensive attack on the ship. Once in port, as is reasonable to expect that young sailors freaked out, sufficiently so that 27 of the 270 member crew allegedly requested reassignment papers after the incident. While an enlisted crew cannot simply walk away from its position, the story nevertheless lends some credibility to the AEGIS malfunction.

Al Jazeera’s news report that the Pentagon fired off an ‘angry response’ with accusations of Russia’s “provocative and unprofessional action” .... “inconsistent with international protocols and previous agreements” smacks of nothing short of an appalling hypocritical double-standard.

Two years later, on April 12th, 2016, you may have read that the USS Donald Cook, was buzzed a second time by another unarmed Sukhoi Su-24 this time while on patrol in the Baltic Sea.

What you probably did not read was that the Cook, on ‘routine patrol’ in support of “US national security interests’ was approximately 50 miles off the coast of Kaliningrad and home to the Russian Baltic Sea Fleet. The US formally issued a protest to Russia.

US Secretary of State John Kerry added a statement that said “under the rules of engagement, that (Russian jet) could have been a shoot-down” adding that the “US is not going to be intimidated on the high seas.”

After the Cook’s encounter in 2016, a U.S. European Command spokesman affirmed that under rules of engagement, the Commanding Officer has the authority to take defensive action if the safety of their vessel is in danger and that since the aircraft was unarmed, there is nothing to be done.

(My comment ......

How do they know whether the aircraft is armed or un-armed? With a pair of binoculars from the Bridge Wing (‘We have visual’) because you won’t be able to tell that from the RADAR until they turn on the missiles guidance system .... as they press the ‘FIRE’ button!)

We can only imagine the national uproar, the media hysteria, the pandemonium on the floor of Congress, the terror of American citizens if a Russian warship in the Atlantic Ocean dared to approach the territorial waters close to the Norfolk Naval Yard.

Instead, the US repeatedly acts as if it has the right to flaunt the sovereignty of another country unchallenged as if that right is inherent in the US Constitution or the International Rule of Law. It is not.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/renee-parsons/the-uss-donald-cook-meets_b_11015434.html

[Paphitis]

Still no evidence.

All you have is a lot of hype and claims which are not supported with evidence and the USN hasn't even reacted with anything that suggests that this is true.

On the contrary, according to the video posted of the incident, the USS Donald Cook was heard as "tracking and monitoring" the target.

And the AEGIS is still being installed on American, Australian, British, French, Japanese and other ships around the world.

And there is no evidence saying that the crew was demoralize. I want to see the official pentagon statement please. I'm not interested in any Huffington Post articles.

The other thing is that the frequencies were not blotted, so what gives with that?

[Londonrake]

USS Donald Cook

The truth?

On April 12, 2014 A Russian SU24 (1960s vintage) "Buzzed" The USS Donald Cook for 90 minutes, within international waters, in the Black Sea. This was nothing to do with a "resurgent Russian Federation" it was cowboy. It flew at high speed within 30 feet of the ship. Just imagine what would have happened if it had collided. Although, I’m sure the subsequent carnage would have been spun by the Kremlin as the ship's fault. Echoed by the ever faithful.

It wasn't in any sense training. Aircraft/ship engagements nowadays will mostly take place tens, if not hundreds of miles from each other.

The fantasy?

The SU24 carried a secret new weapon (which us keyboard tappers in nowhere-ville now know all about ) that totally neutralised the ship. Completely demoralising the crew and proving that this "secret" device would amount to the total neutralisation of all western fleets.

Reality?

It's a load of absolute bullshite, as anyone with an ounce of common sense would appreciate and acknowledge.Otherwise, of course, we are all doomed!!

[Pyrpolizer]

Or this video taken from the deck of the Donald Cook by the crew! I would suggest maybe just a warning not to get too close to Russian military bases.

Compilation of Russian jets passing near the USS Donald Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFnDfvUVGc

What did they say before the "oh my God" at 1:33
I mean what was the sentence with the word "bridge" ?

I am guessing but I heard '.... below the bridge wing!'. I would assume he was lower than the walkway that sticks out either side of the bridge?

Thanks that's what I wanted to learn. It looks to me the crew at that point feared the second plane was taking a straight path towards attacking them hence the "Oh my god screams".

[Pyrpolizer]

Still no evidence.

All you have is a lot of hype and claims which are not supported with evidence and the USN hasn't even reacted with anything that suggests that this is true.

On the contrary, according to the video posted of the incident, the USS Donald Cook was heard as "tracking and monitoring" the target.

And the AEGIS is still being installed on American, Australian, British, French, Japanese and other ships around the world.

And there is no evidence saying that the crew was demoralize. I want to see the official pentagon statement please. I'm not interested in any Huffington Post articles.

The other thing is that the frequencies were not blotted, so what gives with that?

Did you hear any response? Did you hear any instructions? Did you hear any "message recieved - Over"?

All you heard is someone recording her and other voices and sounds around.

[Paphitis]

Or this video taken from the deck of the Donald Cook by the crew! I would suggest maybe just a warning not to get too close to Russian military bases.

Compilation of Russian jets passing near the USS Donald Cook

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJFnDfvUVGc

What did they say before the "oh my God" at 1:33
I mean what was the sentence with the word "bridge" ?

I am guessing but I heard '.... below the bridge wing!'. I would assume he was lower than the walkway that sticks out either side of the bridge?

Thanks that's what I wanted to learn. It looks to me the crew at that point feared the second plane was taking a straight path towards attacking them hence the "Oh my god screams".

The crew would "fear" and track any plane within 100nms of it.

Having planes make a straight line towards the ship is not unheard of. The Ship would contact the aircraft and warn it several times which is what the USS Donald Cook did.

If no response they will continue to track it, and perhaps even lock weapons onto it but that in itself is also dangerous because it could scare the pilot of the aircraft and result in further escalation. Everyone needs to be very careful. If there is an Aircraft Carrier nearby, then the Russian Jets would be intercepted a long way from the US Ships.

What is evident is that the Russian Plane was behaving unprofessionally and his conduct was very dangerous.

What can't happen, is and armed engagement unless the US Government or Pentagon clear that and they would not clear this in a million years unless they were certain the Ship was coming under attack and they needed to protect the ship.

[Paphitis]

Still no evidence.

All you have is a lot of hype and claims which are not supported with evidence and the USN hasn't even reacted with anything that suggests that this is true.

On the contrary, according to the video posted of the incident, the USS Donald Cook was heard as "tracking and monitoring" the target.

And the AEGIS is still being installed on American, Australian, British, French, Japanese and other ships around the world.

And there is no evidence saying that the crew was demoralize. I want to see the official pentagon statement please. I'm not interested in any Huffington Post articles.

The other thing is that the frequencies were not blotted, so what gives with that?

Did you hear any response? Did you hear any instructions? Did you hear any "message recieved - Over"?

All you heard is someone recording her and other voices and sounds around.

The Russian aircraft never responded to any of the American Ships warnings.

The Russian aircraft was not privy to the "track and monitor" statement. That would have been a communication from the Operations Room to the Bridge or Captain a bit like a SITREP - or Situation Report to the Captain on the bridge. The captain needs to be informed of the situation as it evolves.

The Russian Aircraft would have heard something like this:

"This is the USS Donald Cook, a United States warship. We are operating in International Waters in accordance with Freedom of Navigation or UNCLOS innocent passage rules. You are conducting operations in an area which jeopardizes your safety. Please acknowledge receipt and move away from the area immediately"

The Russian aircraft would have received transmissions like the above, which were ignored.

[Robin Hood]

Londonrake:

USS Donald Cook

The truth? ......

As you see it! No supportive evidence required of course, as you know that your views always reflect an unquestionable truth. i.e. You may be wrong but no one is allowed to question it.

On April 12, 2014 A Russian SU24 (1960s vintage – I am surprised they didn’t us an AN-2 ... now that really would have been embarrassing!) "Buzzed" The USS Donald Cook for 90 (40-45 actually) minutes, within international waters (Just!) it was cowboy. It flew at high speed within 30 feet of the ship. (OMG) Just imagine what would have happened if it had collided. Although, I’m sure the subsequent carnage would have been spun by the Kremlin as the ship's fault. Echoed by the ever faithful.

Just as you, as a representative of your exceptional nation’s ‘ever faithful’, but of course we have to take into account that as THE Exceptional Nation such insignificant considerations as rules, conventions, laws and charters only apply to other nations!

It wasn't in any sense training. Aircraft/ship engagements nowadays will
mostly take place tens, if not hundreds of miles from each other.

It was simple a demonstration of their capability .... just like the 103 missile attack on Douma. The first incident ignored convention ......... the second ignored International Law and the UN charter.

The fantasy?

Is it? Who says? You?

The SU24 carried a secret new weapon (which us keyboard tappers in nowhere-ville now know all about ) that totally neutralised the ship. Completely demoralising the crew and proving that this "secret" device would amount to the total neutralisation of all western fleets.

Khibiny..... remember that name! It exists and has been demonstrated. Your denial does not make it a fantasy!


Reality?

The reality is that it won’t be the first time that Russia has proved to be far more technically advanced than the US and has caught them by surprise. The unreachable U2 that Russia shot down, the first satellite (Sputnik), the first living thing into orbit (Laika) and returned safely to earth, the first human launched into orbit around the earth (Gargarin) and the first woman into space (Tereshkova). The first satellite to crash land onto the Moon, the first soft landing satellite on the Moon, the first satellite to pass over the dark side of the Moon.

Plus of course the Mig 15 the US decided was a load of junk, it was all hype .... and then the F-86 met them in the skies above Korea and found out differently; the designers/constructors of the Worlds largest heavy lift aircraft. Their acquisition of firstly the A-bomb, then the H-bomb, then the largest nuclear device ever detonated. They produced ‘Concordski’ .... but the US failed. The list of Russian firsts and technical achievements is quite extensive.

As someone with common sense and a reasonable knowledge of history, I think that going on past records, maybe you are counting your chickens before they hatch? Never underestimate the capability of your opponent!

It's a load of absolute bullshite, as anyone with an ounce of common sense would appreciate and acknowledge. Otherwise, of course, we are all doomed!!

In your opinion of course, but you are not alone, there are other ‘useful idiots’ who believe everything the US says is the reality!

[Pyrpolizer]

The Russian aircraft never responded to any of the American Ships warnings.

The Russian aircraft was not privy to the "track and monitor" statement. That would have been a communication from the Operations Room to the Bridge or Captain a bit like a SITREP - or Situation Report to the Captain on the bridge. The captain needs to be informed of the situation as it evolves.

The Russian Aircraft would have heard something like this:

"This is the USS Donald Cook, a United States warship. We are operating in International Waters in accordance with Freedom of Navigation or UNCLOS innocent passage rules. You are conducting operations in an area which jeopardizes your safety. Please acknowledge receipt and move away from the area immediately"

The Russian aircraft would have received transmissions like the above, which were ignored.

You didn't understand. The absence of ANY response in radio communication proves their systems were in fact nullified.