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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby Lordo » Wed May 29, 2019 1:32 am

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.


The moment BBF was agreed to be negotiated, it put everything that was in the 1960 constitution on the table to be re negotiated. This is the mistake the TCs made by agreeing to re negotiate the 1960 constitution via the BBF. Of course, the TCs thought the outcome was going to be much different after Turkey invaded and occupied northern part of Cyprus where they thought that the GCs would agree to any agreement. The RoC is very happy about the 1960 constitution to be re-negotiated after Turkey/TCs refused the 13 points from Makarios. As a result, Turkey and the TCs has no say so how the RoC functions today and Turkey and the TCs can wait until the cows come home to have a Cyprus settlement if the RoC/Gcs do not agree to one. So, in essence, the ToG is in animated state and the only thing that is valid, is that Turkey has violated her ToG responsibilities and now is nothing but an illegal occupier of northern Cyprus.

stop being stupid.

it was makarios who vetoed the agreement between dengtash and clerides in 1972.
the fact that bbf is being negotiated does not negate1960 agreement. unless there is a new agreement it will remain so no matter how the gcs have changed the laws since 1963. in anycase the time has come and gone. anastasiades is no longer interested in bbf and nor is the new pm in the north. soon akinci will be replaced with an ubp and the final two state solution discussions will start.


I did not say that the 1960 agreements are negated because of BBF was agreed to be negotiated. I said BBF negotiation agreements opened the 1960 agreements to be re negotiated and the RoC will keep it open until it gets what it wants to change and there is nothing the TCs/Turkey can do to negate the BBF negotiations to negotiate anything different than BBF if the RoC doesn’t want to. One party alone cannot change to something else from the BBF negotiations. Anastasiades will keep throwing “new solution ideas” just to keep buying time, but nothing will change as BBF is as far as the RoC is willing to go for a settlement, but under conditions it wants, which is inline with the EU principles, which is 180 degrees opposite to the 1960 agreements.

he will get the single finger swing on it salute. akinci will not start talking for any other solution and he looks like he is going to win the next vote too. anastasiades will have to find some wriggle room to do his belly dance.
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed May 29, 2019 3:22 am

...indeed it will get hot if Akinci runs and if he wins. He does not have to change his view per se, but with his intention, he must have the courage to demonstrate that he himself has chosen, not as a "Turk" in any case, and as a Cypriot what a Cypriot can identify with.
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby Kikapu » Wed May 29, 2019 7:56 am

Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:just the same reason as why groc cannot get out of the treaty of guarantee nor can erdogan get out of the luasanne agreement. no fear there.


The moment BBF was agreed to be negotiated, it put everything that was in the 1960 constitution on the table to be re negotiated. This is the mistake the TCs made by agreeing to re negotiate the 1960 constitution via the BBF. Of course, the TCs thought the outcome was going to be much different after Turkey invaded and occupied northern part of Cyprus where they thought that the GCs would agree to any agreement. The RoC is very happy about the 1960 constitution to be re-negotiated after Turkey/TCs refused the 13 points from Makarios. As a result, Turkey and the TCs has no say so how the RoC functions today and Turkey and the TCs can wait until the cows come home to have a Cyprus settlement if the RoC/Gcs do not agree to one. So, in essence, the ToG is in animated state and the only thing that is valid, is that Turkey has violated her ToG responsibilities and now is nothing but an illegal occupier of northern Cyprus.

stop being stupid.

it was makarios who vetoed the agreement between dengtash and clerides in 1972.
the fact that bbf is being negotiated does not negate1960 agreement. unless there is a new agreement it will remain so no matter how the gcs have changed the laws since 1963. in anycase the time has come and gone. anastasiades is no longer interested in bbf and nor is the new pm in the north. soon akinci will be replaced with an ubp and the final two state solution discussions will start.


I did not say that the 1960 agreements are negated because of BBF was agreed to be negotiated. I said BBF negotiation agreements opened the 1960 agreements to be re negotiated and the RoC will keep it open until it gets what it wants to change and there is nothing the TCs/Turkey can do to negate the BBF negotiations to negotiate anything different than BBF if the RoC doesn’t want to. One party alone cannot change to something else from the BBF negotiations. Anastasiades will keep throwing “new solution ideas” just to keep buying time, but nothing will change as BBF is as far as the RoC is willing to go for a settlement, but under conditions it wants, which is inline with the EU principles, which is 180 degrees opposite to the 1960 agreements.

he will get the single finger swing on it salute. akinci will not start talking for any other solution and he looks like he is going to win the next vote too. anastasiades will have to find some wriggle room to do his belly dance.


On the contrary Lordo, it is Turkey who has negated the 1960 agreements in every sense of the word, by first invasion and occupation northern part of Cyprus and then setting up the illegal “trnc” after parties agreed to have a settlement based on BBF. So you see, the RoC can also do what it likes, just like being member state of the EU and the Hydrocarbons and, negotiate a settlement based on principles of an EU member state and without ToG. Therefore, Anastasiades go to argument from now on is going to be the ending of ToG by Turkey. That puts the ball in Turkey’s corner I would say, especially when the UK and Greece agree with Anastasiades on ToG.
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed May 29, 2019 6:47 pm

...more on the topic; a trial ballon is floated. While the author assumes a "neutral zone" will be permanent, the idea of Cyprus being the 'honest broker' in these affairs is obvious, and not impossible for Turkey to accept with a change in her intentions.

https://ahvalnews.com/cyprus-turkey/vir ... d-analysis

The advantages of the virtual hub include:

By pooling supplies, everybody gets better price

Virtual hub under international law would increase transparency

Reduced corruption and stronger revenue-sharing, an essential component for the reunification of Cyprus

Virtual hub office could be jointly managed by northern and southern Cypriots, helping build confidence

Linked to exchanges across the region, virtual hub would maximise liquidity

Cooperative use of infrastructure is more efficient than building duplicate facilities in several countries

Could help develop Gaza’s gas market and enable Israel and Lebanon to resolve maritime border dispute

Create business opportunities in natural gas, tech and financial services for local and foreign firms, such as from Russia and EU
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby Lordo » Thu May 30, 2019 11:57 am

Maximus wrote:You will see RW.

The Turks will leave Cyprus in exchange for gas because they are going to need it.

The EU will get its gas from the pre approved israel - Cyprus - Greece pipeline. Not what Turkey thinks by being included.

The Turks will just become a consumer of it. :lol:

Turkey will become Cyprus's bitch.

All this show is not feasible for the Turks. At the end of the day, if they do find something and try to extract, it will be sanctioned and no one will buy it. I doubt they will find a thing. :roll:

Its a long line of poorly devised and executed stunts like this that is contributing to the collapse of the Turkish economy. Funds are being completely misappropriated for show while the country is on the verge of bankruptcy..... :roll:

the only person that can boast about terggy being cheepriots bitch is a sheepriot that has been terggish bitch. good luck to you boy and when you get your gas enjoyy the profits that will be left to you from the thieving energy companies. not that it will get there, terggy will start a war with you long before then and you will moan like bitch that nobody came to your help.
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu May 30, 2019 10:57 pm

...but now it is a matter of survival. When, or if, Erodgan loses Istanbul, he will not have his influence so securely in place. War will become a more necessary distraction. Is the time right to say "death to America" with the hope that countries like Pakistan, and Russia will join him? It has always been a possibility, what with the debt Turkey carries (which he can wipe out in seconds by refusing to pay anymore), his interventions even in Africa, what with his ambitions to become the defender of a Caliphate that spans the world, and the result of building the capacity of his military-industrial complex.

Erdogan will not stop at Cyprus. Greece is next, and then supremacy of this sea. (never mind his intentions in Syria, Iran, and Iraq.) What is the advantage to the EU, or the other interlocutors, to throw out the Treaty of Lausanne, or to give Erdogan a tribute, like Cyprus? I think he dares to go too far. Only a diplomatic solution is feasible, where Turkey demonstrates a willingness to cooperate as an equal among equals, can Turkey gain an interest in the affairs of his neighbours. They may have to negotiate with Turkey in any case, but it will not be as inferiors because it is his continental shelf. Europe as a whole and the EU will never accepted ceding to Erdogan a chunk of their Sovereignty for "Peace". The oil and the gas may be important in the negotiations which will follow, some trading on that, but only if Turkey recognises that Cyprus exists and it too has an important role to play in the balance of power which must exist for the whole region to feel safe.

...just because Turkey has the longest shoreline, it does not mean it gets the lion's share of this sea's territory. It in fact, can be looked at from the other way around. Having the longest shoreline, Turkey needs to consider how maximalist objectives from such a standpoint only escalate the hostility, which in affect will lead to Naval conflict, and even war. His intention may be to bring the disruptions he makes to this point, but as it is, his position appears waning. He may cede to recognising Cypriots, if it is a reflection he wishes to project to his own electorate, as Cyprus is united, so too the People of Turkey united, for Turkey, for Cyprus, (not for "Turkishness", or "Greekness"). He has made his point, though, things are changing, moving passed the traditional delineations of the First World War into a new era, such as it is this balance of power is yet to be determined.
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:12 pm

...here it is, a map of what "Turkey" wants.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/opinio ... ves-143904
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:05 pm

...here it is, the logic behind the "Turkish" threat,

Cyprus is now Turkey’s number one security issue
https://www.yenisafak.com/en/columns/yu ... ue-2047062
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:40 pm

...from the same author, a different source; interesting forum,

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/worldar ... 73786.html
Beware! They’re going to strike Tayyipistan from Cyprus!
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Re: Fatih out for an election win

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:12 pm

...is this American legislation a threat to Cyprus?

http://www.parikiaki.com/2019/06/the-me ... or-cyprus/

The Menendez-Rubio bill is dangerous for Cyprus
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