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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:33 am

Wednesday, February 24, 2016
The birth of federal Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/02/21/the-b ... 2533581949

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...fact is that the overwhelming majority on the island is not "Turkish". What was "Turkish", by the Treaty of Lausanne, became "British". Cyprus now, is "Cypriot".

Although, you may feel it is unfortunate that the dwellers of this island speak mostly Greek, it has been the case for thousands of years. In any case, to survive, in the Modern world, and to thrive beyond, Cypriots know better than to count on their "Greekness", or their "Turkishness", to secure success in the efforts they make toward social-exchange, particularly with the rest of the world. Cypriots need more than the Liberty of representing themselves as distinct identities, they need for their Freedom, an identity as Individuals, where they can demonstrate their unity as such, toward Universal Principals.

"You" must trust the others, "they" must respect you: such is the way of the world. While there exists a Greek Flag, and a Turkish Flag, so too, there exists a Cypriot Flag; above all else, let's remember, we are Human beings by acting accordingly.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:08 pm

Sunday, August 27, 2017
Time for a referendum regarding the Cyprus talks

http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/08/27/time- ... rus-talks/

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...i suggest that dividing Cyprus for "Turkishness" will only lead to a Turkey divided for the same reason.

Cypriots are Cypriots. Turks are Turks. As Individuals they all have this interest: to defend their Freedom and the Universal Principals on which it is based. As Persons, and as Constituencies, their Liberty is secured from the trust and the respect they share for each other, as Persons, and as Individuals. A BBF for Cyprus is a matter of intentions. Let's not forget that the USA, for example is a BBF. A BBF for Turkey may not be so bad an idea given its own need for Constitutional reform. Cypriots are not so easily defined as "Turks" and "Greeks". Turks are not so easily defined as "Turks" and "Mountain Turks" (Kurds), or foreign (Alevi).

What is Cyprus but a template for the designs of its interlocutors; Turkey having taken its political fate to be an issue of National interest: what is Turkey is Cyprus. But what is Cyprus could be Turkey. As Turkey is being divided today, for "Turkishness", "Turkishness" has done to Cyprus in affect for the same reason. If it is that Cyprus is divided, it will be a Caliphate in Istanbul where "being" Turkish will not be enough. If it is that Cyprus is united, there is hope for Turks, in Turkey who are not "Turks".

Those who see a Cyprus divided should reconsider what it means to those not "Turkish". One Flag of Cyprus, one Flag of Turkey, should not be hard to understand. A Cypriot like a Turk are not necessarily "Greek" or "Turkish". Turks exist, Cypriots exist, despite the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" deny this.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:28 pm

Sunday, March 04, 2018
UN official takes stock during Cyprus contacts

http://cyprus-mail.com/2018/03/02/un-of ... -contacts/


...i am glad to see that Mr. Lacroix took the time to see those found, from the missing.

...let him remember that the UN has unfinished business here, that those troops under his command cannot die in vain, and that while the Problem has become a problem, those who need his help the most remain silent, silenced like the corpses he saw; not "Greeks", not "Turks", Cypriots for "being" Cypriots.

Let him remember that the "Green Line" that extended to Berlin and to Lebanon remains, and that if this line remains as it is in Cyprus, there is no Peace.

...if there are to be changes to UNFICYP, let them demonstrate this fact, despite the existence of "Greeks" and "Turks" in Cyprus, Cypriots exist; who need help.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:03 pm

...how nice it would be if instead of speaking of conquest, "we", those of us that are Human, overcome our own fears.

...the world changed with the Treaty of Lausanne, Turkey exists as a Modern State, and Greece too. Cyprus became "British", though a backwater to the Ottomans with barracks and services, for Cypriots, the subjugation did not in essence change.

Much has progressed since then, for Cypriots, and the rest of the world.

...yet while Cyprus may struggle with its "Greekness", let us also never forget that the "Turkishness" which has divided Cypriots for so long, now divides Turkey itself.

Cypriots, Turkish and Greek have one Hope, that they can end this enmity which has left them denied Freedom, and their Liberty as well. In that context, One Greece, One Turkey, One Cyprus, is not so hard to understand. Those Turkish who are not "Turkish", in Turkey, at least would recognise the value of such an alliance because in effect it is natural. In any case, Cyprus divided, only means that Turkey may be divided too.

...it is something to think about.

Cyprus united gives Turkey the high esteem she seeks Internationally as a leader.

https://cyprusscene.com/2019/08/02/akar ... vain-hope/
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 09, 2019 5:33 pm

Tuesday, March 28, 2017
Open letter to the two leaders: re-start the talks for all our sakes
http://cyprus-mail.com/2017/03/26/open- ... lks-sakes/


There is a Flag of Cyprus. There is a Flag of Turkey. There is a Flag of Greece. I suggest that they are all equals. While Mr. Anastasiades is ridiculed at times for wearing two hats, I wish Mr. Akinci would show more heart; I have never seen a photo of him standing beside in effect his Flag as a Cypriot, the Flag of Cyprus. Indeed, if he made this challenge, to fly this Flag, because Cyprus is important to him, about half of his voting public would be prepared to support the effort if they dared to do the same; what would the Grey Wolves do? What is the challenge to ELAM, how many across the island would choose to join with him, in flying this Flag, if, he showed this courage?

One thing would become clearer though: Cypriots are the other half in what is the real debate, and it would appear that "Greeks" and "Turks" are their opposition.

More importantly, i suggest that when it comes to Constitutional Reform, what is the Problem, can be solved in Cyprus, and it may serve Turkey's needs in Turkey (emulated with that in mind,) as it serves Turkish needs in Cyprus. That is to say, that with good sense in uniting here, in Cyprus as Cypriots, it provides the impetus, in Turkey, but not just Turkey, for Peoples similarly at odds, to see despite their diversity and distinctions as identities, in a BBF (like Canada or the United States), that there exist a set of Principals, where based on them they have a reason to defend each other as Citizens. That beyond their identity as a Person, as Individuals, and as a State, they express this willingness to unite.

...it is heartening to see so many who will take the time and effort to write clearly their thoughts, for Cyprus, and for Cypriots. I too, agree, that by this time, both Leaders must now recognise, and respect the fact that Cypriots want Freedom, and that they were elected, not as "Greeks" or as "Turks", winning against this choice as a matter of fact in their respective elections.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Aug 10, 2019 6:48 pm

Saturday, June 10, 2017
Unite Cyprus Now proves the island’s potential

http://in-cyprus.com/unite-cyprus-now-p ... ment-25082


…what is becoming clear is that “Greeks”, and “Turks”, make up the same side of the debate; Cypriots on the other. What is the fundamental flaw in this debate is being revealed. While Cypriots are intentionally ignored by the Problem, without this recognition, that they exist, there is little choice but to represent themselves.

If the leaders they elected as Cypriots cannot do more for Cypriots, rather than their “Turkishness” or not, they betray those who voted for them; this is clearer, now. Mr. Akinci must recognise that Cypriots need him to demonstrate that courage. Cypriots are Cypriots. Mr. Anastasiades, in Geneva, should not stand alone, not for “Greeks” or against them, not for “Turks” or against them, but for Cyprus, without “them”.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 15, 2019 5:46 pm

Thursday, February 23, 2017
Turkish FM: Turkey’s military rights still needed in Cyprus
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/eu ... a8e4e71169


...likely, (as in the United States), there will be from the Judiciary, a decision which will define the legality of this legislation, so offensive to some, in a far more profound and lasting way, for Cypriots, and a Cypriot way; so it should be, especially since, DISY, what is effectively the President's ruling Party, declined to make their vote the deciding factor by abstaining.

I suggest, to Mr. Cavusoglu if he wants to make comparisons of equals, he may consider his own Leader, Mr. Erdogan, the equal to Mr. Anastasiades, both Leaders of Countries where their Citizenship represents an ethnos, and not mono-clonal societies of "Turks", or "Greeks", where, their diversity as Persons is evident, and where recognition and respect as Individuals, beyond these Nations, must unite them in defending the Principals of their State.

...while Mr. Akinci cannot be found standing with the Flag of Cyprus in any photograph, he has the added pleasure to be representing "Turkishness", that which is not "Greekness". Mr. Anastasiades, does not have the same luxury. While he, may be representing what is called the "Greek Community" at the negotiations, he is the President of Cyprus, and as such the representative of all Cypriots.

...if Cyprus remains divided, Turkey will remain divided. A united Cyprus brings hope, and not the Army, not just in Turkey, but throughout the Eastern Mediterranean and the Middle East, where a template is sought to emulate politically. Thus, Cyprus is not "Greek", nor Turkey, "Turkish"; within these States, as BBF's, their Constituencies may find from such Constitutional Reform, Freedom better secured, without distinction or discrimination, as a Citizenship united in defending each other, and Liberty from the capacity self-representation may bring, at another level of Government, toward sustaining their distinct identities.

...what fans insecurity, is equal and opposing extremes having justified in their own thinking "victory", to do more extremes.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:04 pm

Thursday, October 11, 2018
Anastasiades Cavusoglu meeting confirmed, ‘loose’ federation in the limelight (updt 2)
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/09/gove ... u-meeting/

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Was Akinci elected to unite Cypriots? Who cannot forget?

What is his duty to them, who voted for him, does he remember? At this moment in time In his sweet isolation, he may recall, he may learn something about his position, and power; if as a Cypriot, Cypriots see him.

One gesture, like standing under the Flag of Cyprus, to speak, speaking of issues important to all Cypriots, would be nice. It will propel him to headline news. Cypriots, would not object to that. They may even welcome it by joining with him; thousands who would stand for Cyprus under their Flag of Cyprus.

Thus, the "Greeks" and the "Turks", they will be exposed for who and what they are if they are unable to do the same; Akinci wins, for Cyprus, by daring to win, if, not for "Greekness" (not just for "Turkishness" either), if as a Cypriot he stands for "being" a Cypriot in a true BBF, in a Cyprus where an Individual is an Individual, who, as a Person respects as Persons (and at another level of government, as Constituencies) these distinctions.

Indeed, what is good for Cyprus is good for Turkey, it is something to think about, and so it should be. One Cyprus, One Turkey; what is so hard about that, to understand? It would be nice to hear Mr. Erdogan say these words, it would be nice if the opportunity to do so started in Cyprus, reform in Turkey, where as Cypriots, Cypriots reformed. It is Mr. Akinci's choice.

If as a Cypriot he is willing to reform himself, toward "being" a better Cypriot, recognising as Cypriots Cyprus exists, by saying, "this is my Flag", because it is true, under one Flag, with this Flag, he may leave as his Legacy, a Cypriot Legacy, a unity, an enosis, of Cypriots, something greater than the status quo, changing (at least exposing) "them" too, in effect.

And, beyond the Greek Flag, and, the Turkish Flag, the divide between them, their equal the Flag of Cyprus.

This is Mr. Akinci's choice as i see it, sidelined in this manner for "soft" Federalism, whatever that may mean. Beyond the brown envelopes and shoe boxes "this" may fill, an end to it.

I ask, is he a Cypriot, is he a leader, is he a Statesman?

...has he the courage?

I don't envy men in this position, Akinci's choice(s) as a Cypriot; it is a hard choice to make, the way. I would like to ask men in this position, in such a time of doubt, who it is among them that will see a baby torn in two?
Who is it that they will betray, by acting otherwise?
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby B25 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:21 am

repulsewarrior wrote:
One gesture, like standing under the Flag of Cyprus, to speak, speaking of issues important to all Cypriots,


Erdocunt would have him shot or imprisoned if he did that. Akinci is a puppet of Turkey, he does as he is told, the stupid TCs think he has a say so, but actually he doesn't.

We should be talking directly to Turkey, the TCs no longer count.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Thu Aug 22, 2019 7:38 pm

...indeed, it would cause a furor. And if he was assassinated for standing under this Flag, who would not stand under it in solidarity?

Frankly, i imagine you would support him; i imagine more than half of Cyprus' population would march in such an event as well.

...while Cypriots remain divided, only the courage of Cypriots will identify who is Cypriot, and who is not.
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