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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby B25 » Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:09 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, it would cause a furor. And if he was assassinated for standing under this Flag, who would not stand under it in solidarity?

Frankly, i imagine you would support him; i imagine more than half of Cyprus' population would march in such an event as well.

...while Cypriots remain divided, only the courage of Cypriots will identify who is Cypriot, and who is not.


RW, you need to get with reality or come live in Cyprus. The TCs are not how you remember them, they hate the GCs and are trying with Turkey to take over the whole of Cyprus.

Living proof, just listen to Lordo, Mr Frog, MrH, Zan , Birkibrisli, and many others I forgot their names for now. The are the fuckers we are dealing with today. You need to wake the fuck up from your slumber and take stock with what we are dealing with.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:34 am

...while i can recount many "Greeks" not unlike "Turks", i won't.

And while i do not have the opportunity to see with my own eyes, there are in my family those who deeply love me and agree with me.

(...that is not to say that, in that regard, my family is undivided)

There is a big difference between Cypriots, and those who deny Cypriots exist.

...indeed, i am a stranger in Cyprus now. I would not recognise the city streets that were not there. But the people, i imagine are the same.

Cypriots, Greeks, "Greeks", and Turks i'd expect to meet, along with Brits, Russians, and Lebanese, who are my friends, much older perhaps, but people who have the same passion for their families, and the community that surrounds them, as loving individuals.

..."we", re B25 know the enemy is hate filled, but it is not a reason to despair.

While it is wise, and prudent, to prepare for War, because it (read: a "Turkish" enemy) really does loom near, and, at our very doorstep, let's remember that Love is an infinite power, that to "be" loving is a Cypriot way.

The reality is, that despite great efforts after decades, Cypriots still represent about half the voting public no matter how it has been divided. The reality is that Cypriots did not vote for Eroglu. The reality is that Cypriots now have a Turkish Cypriot representing them in the EU despite a great deal of resistance. I am guessing that this movement will grow because our elite will have no choice but to change themselves to this changing environment. And let's not forget the Occupy Movement, how quickly it grew, and in Cyprus what was expressed by Cypriot youth.

...i am still Hopeful.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Aug 25, 2019 10:38 pm

Saturday, August 04, 2012
Our view: Old-style hero worship has no relevance today - Cyprus Mail#comments
Our view: Old-style hero worship has no relevance today - Cyprus Mail#comments

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If Mr. Malas wants to support a Federal Solution, i ask, if there is a Republic, and a Turkish Constituency, where is the Greek Constituency?




Turkey may be the 800 pound guerilla in the room, but the fact remains, Justice in Cyprus is to be seen, and it is Cypriots which must display this toward each other. For the proxy war to end, Turks and Greeks can be equals, with National Assemblies for their self-representation, as Persons. But, in a Bicommunal State, as Individuals without distinction or discrimination, as Citizens, united, they would vote for a Federal Government, to defend and to better Universal Principals, as well.



...Mr. Malas, think 12.5 million, two hundred years from now, can anyone imagine the demographics of this island to remain unchanged even fifty years from now? what is best for this island's dwellers, if

like Makarios you fought for Free Will, not just Liberty? and like Makarios, if you lay the blame on Greece, the Greek elite who to this day corrupt themselves, why then the denial, unlike Makarios, that a Cypriot State is better?



...personally, if i could, i would fly the Cypriot Flag attached to my car's attenna, and drive right round the island, in tribute to the great man (and men/women), who chose Cyprus first. if i was a Politician, I would focus on one Cyprus, and the opportunities that existed if within a Territorial Jurisdiction Greek came first, like in a Turkish, Maronite, Armenian, etc. Constituency, equal for the same reason. if i was a Leader, i would seek closure for the displaced, all Cypriots, not just "Greeks", i would seek to have for them the pleasure of their Properties restored, and for some at least, the Right of Return as they left, as Communities. in my Cyprus, enclaves are not a dirty word, they would be scattered across the whole geography of the island, obliging National Assemblies like those Greek and Turkish to provide service to an electorate island-wide, securing Freedom of Movement, and Association because even if the Green Line remains unchanged it becomes a frontier amongst many, not a border; Bizonal because there is one Sovereignty, and within it an ability to sustain diversity geographically.



...Mr. Malas, like his contemporaries have no vision, if they cannot see the value of a Greek state, within a Cypriot State. they are Statesman, like Makarios if they can provide a way of life where we can define ourselves as Individuals while we sustain our Identities as Persons; they are, in my mind traitors to all Mankind if they resist the changes which take us beyond the 19th Century and passed the Modern Age.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:18 am

Monday, August 26, 2019
The flag, the right wing, and partition
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/08/25/the- ... 4591785999

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...even the regime in the occupied territories admits, that it is "legal" to fly (peacefully) the Flag of Cyprus, anywhere on the island; for Cypriots at least, those not "Greek", or "Turkish", this is something to think about.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 26, 2019 6:38 am

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

…this much we know so far.

Count them.

There are at least three governing bodies to make up a BBF. No amount of denial will succeed in removing from the Republic of Cyprus the recognition it has earned as the representative of this island’s dwellers, as Cypriots. Simply put, what is lacking is a Greek Constituency, for there to exist a Turkish Constituency.

The USA, and Canada, as countries evolved quite differently. Both are BBF, both represent a way to find strength in diversity, both are successful in this effort (although one is a mosaic and the other a melting pot), Bicommunal, and Bizonal, do not have to mean tearing the island in two. I will add that if there is a recognition of Cypriot Constituencies, the existence of identities as Persons, as Individuals, as Cypriots, my hope is that they will choose to sustain the Cypriot ethnos, which would include the same recognition toward Maronites, Armenians and Latins, as persons having the same needs.

…something to think about.

comment on,
Abolition of the Republic of Cyprus
By Andreas C. Chrysafis -Aug 29, 2015
https://greece.greekreporter.com/2015/0 ... ent-139499
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:53 pm

Wednesday, October 18, 2017
Re: TRNC FM: "Autonomy or Recognition"

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus45960-20.html#p862567

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...indeed the best chance for anything Turkish surviving "Turkishness" in Turkey is in Cyprus.

...it really is up to you MrH, if you are Cypriot, and Turkish; you may choose between being Turkish, or being a "Turk". You may choose to set an example Turkey can emulate, united with its own constituencies, or you may leave no choice to Turks but to fight what seeks to usurp the Freedom they have, those "Turkish".

Cyprus is the key, united as Cypriots, or not at Peace, divided; hope in Turkey (and in the Eastern Mediterranean) or not.

...you are fooling yourself if you generalise to make all Greeks, "Greeks". You are foolish to think Greeks are the enemy, or that Cypriots do not exist. You are not mistaken, on the other hand, to think that "Greeks", and "Turks" are alike, and that for those of us Turkish or Greek, or Cypriot, a bane to our existence.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sun Sep 01, 2019 5:16 am

Wednesday, February 24, 2016
The birth of federal Cyprus
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/02/21/the-b ... 2533581949

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...fact is that the overwhelming majority on the island is not "Turkish". What was "Turkish", by the Treaty of Lausanne, became "British". Cyprus now, is "Cypriot".

Although, you may feel it is unfortunate that the dwellers of this island speak mostly Greek, it has been the case for thousands of years. In any case, to survive, in the Modern world, and to thrive beyond, Cypriots know better than to count on their "Greekness", or their "Turkishness", to secure success in the efforts they make toward social-exchange, particularly with the rest of the world. Cypriots need more than the Liberty of representing themselves as distinct identities, they need for their Freedom, an identity as Individuals, where they can demonstrate their unity as such, toward Universal Principals.

"You" must trust the others, "they" must respect you: such is the way of the world. While there exists a Greek Flag, and a Turkish Flag, so too, there exists a Cypriot Flag; above all else, let's remember, we are Human beings by acting accordingly.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:20 am

Saturday, March 26, 2016
Turkish Cypriot flag couple feel abandoned by Anastasiades
http://cyprus-mail.com/2016/03/26/turki ... stasiades/

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...if you want to support this brave couple, fly the Flag of Cyprus, fly it highest, fly it wherever you may travel on this island, fly it so that people can see you agree: You are Cypriot.

If there is a time to send our Leaders a message, it is now. If there was a time for us, the people, to give them courage, it is now. They need to look out their windows and see, the Flag of Cyprus.

...and if we are to take the time to remember the missing, and the murdered outright, for the most part they were Cypriot, murdered and made to disappear for this reason, for the most part by those who take great pride in calling themselves "Greeks", and "Turks"; something to think about.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Sep 02, 2019 7:25 am

Sunday, January 10, 2016
Cyprus as a centre for dialogue
http://in-cyprus.com/cyprus-as-a-centre-for-dialogue/

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...well said.

Cyprus is an ethnos. As such Cypriots can choose to sustain the distinct identities which make up this nature, to defend each other, to be Cooperators, a society which as Persons, and more importantly as Individuals, recognize and respect their own diversity, to adapt to a changing world in a manner which is enriching to themselves, as Cypriots, as this island's steward, and as facilitators of exchange.

At another level of Government, I can see the need for Cypriot Constituencies. Within a Federation, this right exists. While Turcophones may soon have the Liberty they have demanded for so long, such a form of self representation can only be secured by a superior element, the Federal government itself, being the Sovereign representative of Cypriots. While there will be no equal to the Turkish Constituency, its existence does not exclude the rights of Individuals, as Persons, as a Constituency, to be recognized as such at a later date.

I believe that Cypriots, may come to appreciate the opportunities they have if they are given a choice beyond the debate as it is framed, to be adversaries: what is "Turkish", what is not "Turkish" (called "Greek"); that beside a Turkish Constituency, and the Republic, a Greek Constituency could one-day exist, Maronite and Armenian Constituencies, even Latin and English, may exist as well.

Let us not forget that the world's ethnology faces larger problems with extinction than does the world's ecology. Let's not forget that despite the fact that Cypriots are overwhelmingly Greek speaking (and having Greek origins) like ninety percent of the world whose mother tongue is not English, they speak English, and fluently, on the computer for example, and in their busy lives beyond their family. Children do not necessarily see a value in learning either Greek, or Turkish, today. In my mind, to "Greeks", "Turks" may represent an immediate threat to their culture, (and vice versa) but in that regard, "English" I suggest, because it is overwhelmingly 'more' useful, is a bigger threat, if ignored, to us all.

In a world of bits and bytes, quantity counts, not just the quality of thoughts. Cyprus is one of those places in the world where one can expect to find urban dwellers who speak many languages, and who are very mobile. They clearly understand that these linguistic abilities are essential. Cypriots, in that regard, have a great opportunity to expand the relevance of their Official Languages by making them not only transparent to each other, as translation and meaning goes, but to many other languages. Such a Pedagogy will surely develop young minds who will have a strong appreciation of a mother tongue, and a capacity to communicate well, otherwise. One word in English if you will, becomes ten words or a hundred depending on the Cypriot capacity to use languages institutionally.

...i suggest it is Cypriots which will demonstrate the qualities, their respective "motherlands" (or "fatherlands") will emulate, learn from, and better themselves, by making their Language(s) open to improvement, interesting and useful as languages, to a sphere of languages, and Peoples, as a whole.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:21 am

Monday, October 13, 2014
Cyprus and Turkey Braced For New Fight Over Gas Reserves
http://blogs.wsj.com/frontiers/2014/10/ ... ment-14776

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…indeed, Turkey seems small, having to hide behind its puppet, the so called, “TRNC”. It is hard to understand that while half the population in the occupied north supports the island as an island, the other half hold the Agenda, because they feel it “belongs” to them. We can see the results of this behaviour in the south, (as well) where it is hard to ignore an elite, who having exploited these same sentiments, have lead the “Greeks” more often to ruin than once. Cyprus, and Cypriots, while ignored (and for so many years) still exist; they may be Greeks and Turkish by origin for the most part, but they are not the “Greeks”, and “Turks” we find ourselves talking about so often.

If Turkey were to recognise the existence of Cyprus, as a State, a country no different to itself, (thus acting as, its, Guarantor,) it could demand, as well, (within it) the existence of an equal to the Turkish Constituency, a Greek Constituency, now that Cyprus is in a process of Constitutional reform; but of course, Cyprus may just thrive under a BBF where the Flag of Cyprus flies higher than any of the rest, which would beg the question, why not a Turkic Constituency in Turkey?
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