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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 13, 2019 4:52 pm

Wednesday, October 08, 2014
Greek Cypriots suspend peace talks after Ankara's gas research
http://www.todayszaman.com/_greek-cypri ... 60909.html

...I recall the Turkish Flag, "seen from space", that scars a mountainside in Cyprus; says it all about "Turkishness". Why would it have been built to face the "Greeks" (of Cyprus), and not the "motherland" in gratitude?

Cyprus exists, whether Turkey wants to recognise it or not. Cypriots exist too, they are not, just "Turks", and not "Turks", they are Individuals, not just Persons. If there is to be any Justice, Turkey must act accordingly and recognise that the Flag of Cyprus flies higher, as in Turkey, it is not a "Turkish" Flag, or a "Kurdish" Flag, it represents a State where people are united in defending the Universal Principals that makes them equals (not just as Persons, but as Human beings).

...it is a good time for cooler heads to prevail, new thinking is needed; if Mr. Eroglu would be prepared to stand in front of the Flag of Cyprus, as his flag, it would not seem so unreasonable, this demand, for "his" share.


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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:32 pm

[quote]Monday, June 12, 2017
A slavery contract for the people of Cyprus to Turkey

http://en.protothema.gr/a-slavery-contr ... to-turkey/


...we, the rest of the world, can see the result of dividing for "Turkishness", people "Turkish" and not "Turkish".

...Turkey, for "Turkishness" is more torn now than ever before in its History. As it is in Cyprus, there is a difference between a "Turk", and a Turk. This is the Problem; it is not exclusive to Cyprus.

...one small change of intention, Erdogan can build his Legacy for Turkey united as Turks, if in Cyprus, Cypriots unite as Cypriots, a State based on Universal Principals; in effect, a Cyprus not "Greek", a Turkey not "Turkish".[/quote

...someone in Poland is reading this.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:00 am

Monday, March 25, 2013
The Cyprus Deal: Real Stories - Businessweek

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... al-stories
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It is a sad day for the European Union when their Bankers cannot see a bigger picture as Investors.

Cyprus is very special. Geographically it represent the cross-road for three continents, (except as a backwater under 350 years of Ottoman occupation) and it has done so for thousands of years. Taken in context, the 'confidence' issue is a sham because it was only under their own efforts, once Independence was established in 1960, that a network of asphalt roads island-wide was built, as well as a drinking water infrastructure. Never mind the coup in '74 which failed because the "Greeks" of Cyprus did not support it, and never mind the 'Peace Operation', so intricately entwined with it, which left 1/3 of the population homeless in less than two weeks, (the forgotten example of 'cleansing' before Bosnia), by the Turkish Army which occupies illegally more than 50% of its coastline, and its most productive land, still. Cypriots, are heroic in their efforts so far, and they have demonstrated their resolve to defend Universal Principals based on the Rule of Law, with ingenuity and resolve.

In such a weakened state, bullied only because "they" are small, will cooler heads prevail on the political front when Europe soon must face the real Cyprus Problem (and Turkey)? Like the banks (for a few Euros), will she allow the island to be torn in two because it is easy?
...solidarity, as Human Beings, that's what Europe won a Nobel Prize for.

With such a poor result on this issue, I feel more worried for the rest of us, not the Cypriots that so well somehow, have endured heavily their price for Freedom.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:38 am

Tuesday, November 19, 2019
Bicommunal demo on Friday to call for reunification
https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/11/19/bico ... ification/


Indeed, beside the "Greeks" and the "Turks" there is the other half who call themselves, Cypriot.

Deny this as they will, this fact remains, while "they" may have there own candidates, after decades there remains enough of the Cypriot electorate to produce results that do not reflect "their" needs.

I recall the Occupy Movement, where in the Buffer Zone, thousands of Flags, the Flag of Cyprus, were hung, from children across the island, so that they too could demonstrate their solidarity: Cyprus is Cyprus; "We" are Human.

...more than the last election, this one if Akinci wins, will not be a referendum on Cyprus, but a clear demonstration that there exists a Cypriot voice not just Turkish but against "Turkishness".

I wish the demonstrators luck. Flags in Cyprus seem to draw so many extremes; i remember Solomou. And i remember Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, too. My Hopes are with them
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:26 am

repulsewarrior Eρμής Τσιατίνης • 3 months ago

...there is no apology that can be made to excuse the extremists among us. A Flag, sometimes, is not just a flag.

Indeed sports, youth, are being exploited for "National" causes.

Pride in ethnicity, a willingness to promote it, is not anathema to respect for "others" with the same feelings; yes, it is complicated.

Those who place their ''Greekness'', or their ''Turkishness'' before the responsibility we have toward each other as Cypriots, (and as Human beings,) only serve to assure there is neither the Liberty 'they' seek, and the Freedom 'we' seek. This is the Problem.

Cypriots, Greek and Turkish, my hope will fly their Flag, the Flag of Cyprus, with as much Pride, as do the "Greeks" and "Turks" who live among us. This too, is the Problem.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/08/25/the- ... 4697643406
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:39 am

Sunday, January 10, 2016
Cyprus as a centre for dialogue
http://in-cyprus.com/cyprus-as-a-centre-for-dialogue/

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...well said.

Cyprus is an ethnos. As such Cypriots can choose to sustain the distinct identities which make up this nature, to defend each other, to be Cooperators, a society which as Persons, and more importantly as Individuals, recognize and respect their own diversity, to adapt to a changing world in a manner which is enriching to themselves, as Cypriots, as this island's steward, and as facilitators of exchange.

At another level of Government, I can see the need for Cypriot Constituencies. Within a Federation, this right exists. While Turcophones may soon have the Liberty they have demanded for so long, such a form of self representation can only be secured by a superior element, the Federal government itself, being the Sovereign representative of Cypriots. While there will be no equal to the Turkish Constituency, its existence does not exclude the rights of Individuals, as Persons, as a Constituency, to be recognized as such at a later date.

I believe that Cypriots, may come to appreciate the opportunities they have if they are given a choice beyond the debate as it is framed, to be adversaries: what is "Turkish", what is not "Turkish" (called "Greek"); that beside a Turkish Constituency, and the Republic, a Greek Constituency could one-day exist, Maronite and Armenian Constituencies, even Latin and English, may exist as well.

Let us not forget that the world's ethnology faces larger problems with extinction than does the world's ecology. Let's not forget that despite the fact that Cypriots are overwhelmingly Greek speaking (and having Greek origins) like ninety percent of the world whose mother tongue is not English, they speak English, and fluently, on the computer for example, and in their busy lives beyond their family. Children do not necessarily see a value in learning either Greek, or Turkish, today. In my mind, to "Greeks", "Turks" may represent an immediate threat to their culture, (and vice versa) but in that regard, "English" I suggest, because it is overwhelmingly 'more' useful, is a bigger threat, if ignored, to us all.

In a world of bits and bytes, quantity counts, not just the quality of thoughts. Cyprus is one of those places in the world where one can expect to find urban dwellers who speak many languages, and who are very mobile. They clearly understand that these linguistic abilities are essential. Cypriots, in that regard, have a great opportunity to expand the relevance of their Official Languages by making them not only transparent to each other, as translation and meaning goes, but to many other languages. Such a Pedagogy will surely develop young minds who will have a strong appreciation of a mother tongue, and a capacity to communicate well, otherwise. One word in English if you will, becomes ten words or a hundred depending on the Cypriot capacity to use languages institutionally.

...i suggest it is Cypriots which will demonstrate the qualities, their respective "motherlands" (or "fatherlands") will emulate, learn from, and better themselves, by making their Language(s) open to improvement, interesting and useful as languages, to a sphere of languages, and Peoples, as a whole.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:02 am

Cypriots exist, beside the "Greeks" and the "Turks", they represent about half the voting public. This is the fact despite the decades where Cyprus has been torn in two.

A solution frankly, should reward neither of "Them". Let's remember that their victims were not each other, but Cypriots who for the most part were not like "them".

...one way or another, it is Cypriots which must come together, those who see themselves as "Greeks" and "Turks" are failing the rest of us.

https://cyprusscene.com/2019/12/02/ozer ... riot-side/



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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:16 am

Tuesday, October 02, 2018
President asks Turkish Cypriots to respect the rights of all Cypriots


https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/01/pres ... -cypriots/


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Cyprus. first.

As Cypriots, without further discrimination or distinction: Cypriots; what is hard to understand?

...what and who in truth are those martyred, if we as Cypriots do not honour, them?

Let us not forget that Cyprus is an island, on it Cypriots still exist and, despite being torn apart, remain; after decades in assimilation, in effect still representing about half the population any way it's counted.

...if Mr. Akinci would stand under the Flag of Cyprus, what of the impact for Peace; who would oppose him: not his electors (...who remembers over whom, his victory). Who would be against him; if Anastasiades chooses to join, in standing under this Flag?

....something to think about speaking reform; i think: bigger still, in Cyprus this unity in Turkey unites.

...with those against a Cypriot, against a Cyprus, exposed, what is it a Cypriot can not do, defending the Freedom, that they all have a cause as Cypriots (and in effect as Human beings,) in defending? What prevents them from offering each other mutual respect, Liberty, by trusting and respecting each other in that capacity, as Persons, each others' distinct identities, as well?

These are the possibilities, if in the debate toward ending the Cyprus Problem, it has on one side of the table Cypriots representing the Cypriot way, and on the other those who remain compelled to define their "Greekness" and "Tukishness", together, as being more important to them:

...could the debate framed in this way form two levels of Government; a true BBF? One Cyprus, a State where as Individuals every Citizen can stand united in defending the Universal Principals on which it is based, and, within it this population, a diversity more clearly defined, where as Constituencies, and as Persons in their own diversity as a population, in demonstrating tolerance, as a majority toward minorities, and toward each other as Cypriots, recognising each others' special needs, reciprocally.

...happy Independence Day?

New thinking is needed indeed, common sense, and a little bit of courage, better intentions, for Cyprus.

...through all the mayhem let's never forget that those who died, mostly, died as Cypriots; at their bloody hands those "Greek" and/or those "Turk", they were murdered and made to disappear.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:50 pm

Friday, October 12, 2018
Our View: So now we want the Denktash option after all
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/10/11/our- ... after-all/

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...and what will the "Turks" give to get such a notion on the table?

Land? ...more, than half returned of what's not theirs'.
Energy Resources? ...a customer, plain and simple, for "the South's" supply.
Economy and Politics? ...no EU, the possibility of a closed border.
Military? ...no Turkish troops, an open border.
All of these things?

As such, if "Turkishness" is so important, so too the consideration that goes with it. There is a cost to pay.

The rest of us, to their satisfaction labelled "Greek", in accepting such a change should have some significant benefit, this is not hard to understand. Such as it is, even if Cypriot has a lesser value to "them" as an identity, wishing to buy out of it, it must represent, just the same, a generous offer to Cypriots: Greek, "Greek", Turkish, or other, (who are not "Turkish").

What greater enterprise is there, but a better Cyprus; this is not it.
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Re: Cypriotism (Cypriot Nationalism)

Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Dec 04, 2019 7:40 pm

Thursday, December 06, 2018
Erdogan makes new threats against Cyprus (2)
https://cyprus-mail.com/2018/12/02/erdo ... 4228415927

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Anon, we are all Cypriots. Whether you are Turkish or Greek, this is the fact that "Greeks" and "Turks" deny, leaving the rest of us to suffer from their dysfunction.

What has divided us for so long in Cyprus, now is dividing Turkey itself. Your choice, Anon, think about it, "Turkishness", or "being" Turkish, there is a difference.

One Turkey, one Cyprus, should not be hard to understand. And the choices we make, as Cypriots, may give Hope to the People of Turkey who are not "Turkish".

...is there a family in Cyprus that did not suffer from the hands of "Greeks" or "Turks"? Likely, I would say, "Greeks" or "Turks". Also something to think about.

...one more thing, talking about the coup. Indeed it was a success having overthrown the Government existing; let's not forget that two days later it failed, indeed without support from Greeks not "Greeks", it could not sustain itself.
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