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[Mustiejodu]

If it did not work in 63 why would it work now especially we have been living apart so long?

[repulsewarrior]

If it did not work in 63 why would it work now especially we have been living apart so long?

...about half of us are Cypriots, despite all the effort put into denying this existence, by "Greeks" and "Turks".

What "it" is did not work because of the intentions. Intentions and circumstance change. Cypriots living under the direct subjugation of the regime in the occupied north feel this threat even more, today, if they are not "Turks".

...what was it, at Crans Montana, that Turkey asked for and that they did not get, but the Sovereignty of Cyprus?

And is it wrong for Mr. Akinci to ridicule Mr. Anastasiades, for wearing two hats?

Who is Mr. Akinci, anyway? If he is "unreliable" i still ask to who? There is no "Cypriot" in his discussion for the most part, only "Turkishness"; (or silence(d)); who voted for him? Having won against Eroglu, in a kind of referendum, it is still unclear (from the very day he was elected) who he is representing, or for what.

...the coming election in the occupied territories will be an interesting one. It will surely give Mr. Akinci, standing as an independent, the opportunity to speak clearly. I would think that after all these years as a servant-slave, considered a parasite, that it is clear to him who his adversaries are, and how important it is to represent his voters, those not "Them", without the hesitation, both "Turks" and Turkish Cypriots are sensing from him.

Will he stand under the Flag of Cyprus? Will he appeal to all Cypriots, Turkish and Greek?

Does he have this conviction? Who could oppose such a notion, and in doing so, expose themselves', not Cypriot? To "Greeks" or "Turks", in doing so, indeed, he becomes their biggest target, and equally the biggest threat to both of them. And if he wins, to the President of the Republic, it would be a Cypriot, not an adversary, he would sit with, toward Constitutional reform, the intentions clear, as such with Sovereignty left off the table. Together, as Eide said, without interference, they could solve the Problem (at least for Cyprus, as Cypriots) alone.

(...and just as a romantic side note, as it crosses my mind at the moment, I remember the coup; those days where Greek Cypriots demonstrated that they are not "Greeks' overwhelmingly, as a matter of fact. Are these elections in effect a harbinger to a similar moment where Turkish Cypriots will demonstrate they too are, no "Turks"?)

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/02/16/akin ... the-alarm/

cheers, thanks for commenting too.

[repulsewarrior]

Wednesday, January 08, 2014
Liberman’s land swap proposal shakes up peace talks
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... 6-93108473

...better if like Cyprus, Mr. Liberman may consider the value of a Bicommunal State, such as Canada. It would involve a Greater Israel, and as well there would be its Constituencies, who represent National Assemblies, and by a Territorial Jurisdiction for which they have their Charter from a Federal Government, zones where which an Agenda of Persons may serve their distinct identity first, but able are they to serve minorities amongst them by demonstrating the Goodwill they could expect reciprocally.

Mr. Liberman is wrong if he believes that cutting Cyprus in two is a good idea, what did Solomon do?

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, July 19, 2013
Latest update on oil disaster in North Cyprus
http://www.eturbonews.com/36268/latest- ... rth-cyprus


...it is a shame that Turkey cannot show good neighbourly relations, or that the regime in the north cannot do more than follow orders. This opportunity to demonstrate that Cyprus comes first, was lost. What with oil being such a preoccupation of the Turkish Government, one would think that they would want to demonstrate their Leadership skills in this domain. What with the economy so frail in all these countries, it would have been a good way of moving the International community to take heart, that despite the politics, they can have confidence that some priorities rise above. Cyprus should not be divided, this is a good example why it is unnatural, such harm has evolved to be a disastrous state of affairs. Turkey, (read: Erdogan), cannot blame the Republic of Cyprus for this mess, (in his mind it must absolutely not exist) although I expect shortly a statement from his Cabinet, that they are blameless,

[repulsewarrior]

Thursday, June 29, 2017
Turkey’s Coming Chaos

http://www.aei.org/publication/turkeys- ... ent-181164


…with a small change of intention, in Cyprus, Erdogan may well see a huge change in the confidence the international community has toward him, that now, he is the “but one”. Cyprus as an ally, and not as an adversary, is huge. In and of itself it is a huge step forward, but its significance for Turkey’s affairs would be bigger than that.

Recognising the existence of the Republic of Cyprus is not anathema to his goals in Turkey. It would in effect provide hope to all Turks. It would provide him from this logic, one Cyprus, one Turkey, one Country, a basis to reform his own Constitution, which would be easy to understand. Where, as Individuals there is no division among Turks in defending their Freedom, the Universal Principals or their Rights on which their State is based; and that while all Turks have this Freedom already, as Persons, at another level of Government, as Turks the Liberty as well, to sustain as Constituencies their own distinct identities: is this not the BBF Turkey is looking for (in Cyprus)?

While Cyprus has been torn between its “Turks” and its “Greeks”(read: not “Turks”), after all these decades, and with such a small population, Cypriots remain; this is noteworthy and hopeful. In Turkey where it is becoming as divided, it is becoming as evident, that while Cyprus cannot be “Greek”, while it may be Greek, for the same reasons, Turkey is not solely “Turkish”.

…for Erdogan to have a successful Legacy, if it is not for the “Turks”, it is for all Turks.

[repulsewarrior]

...and what if Erdogan's intention is supremacy of the sea, not Cyprus?

That is the question.

...only Cypriots can stop his intentions for neo-Ottoman glory, by rejecting "Turkishness" and "Greekness" as one in the same. Indeed, according to the Turkish Press, the largest threat to his ideology are Turkish Cypriots, because they are not "Cypriot Turks". While Greece is not coining terms like "Cypriot Greek", it appears as though it does not need to. The Republic itself is exposed to such comparisons because it has betrayed Greeks in the past with such illusions; witness the "Cyprus Haircut".

Cypriots need something better than what "they" have offered after all these decades (occupation and a proxy war); this much is clear..

Indeed, the overwhelming majority of Cypriots are Greek, by ethnic origin. They have proven themselves, the People, to be no "Greeks"; witness the coup which after succeeding, failed very quickly, because very few supported it. Is this not the truth?

But, our political elite have left Cypriots silenced, by ignoring them as though they will only exist as an Identity after a solution to the Problem is found. "This" must change.

I remember the Occupy Movement, I remember Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, what Flags mean to people and the powerful message they can send. Indeed i am hoping that the Flag of Cyprus may be the simple gesture that again when flown expresses our unity, as Cypriots defending Universal Principals, Humanity in effect, exposing those not Cypriot, in affect one in the same, those "Greek", those "Turkish".

What has been "tossed out the window" is the Treaty of Lausanne, what has been ''finally contained'' is the Treaty of Sevres, so says Erdogan. These are not Cypriot issues per se, but they are. Can the Western World defend itself from these disruptions (so many problems)? And if Erdogan succeeds by ignoring the existence of a Cypriot People dividing them as they are, what does that mean to all people, not "Turkish", in relation to "Turkishness"? This is the Problem.

Indeed, without a Cyprus, and Cypriots, under such circumstances, what is the Western World?
...this is the Problem, too.

More to the point, and immediate, I am watching Mr. Akinci's reelection efforts. I hope he is a Cypriot, because he claims to be representing this choice, and not "Turkishness". If he opens his appeal to all Cypriots, this is a big step forward; if Turkish Cypriots demonstrate their support for "Cypriotness" if you will, with this Statesmanship, he may free himself and Cypriots at the negotiating table, as Mr. Eide said often enough, "of outside forces".

The time has come for Mr. Akinci to stand under the one Flag he personally has avoided for so long, his Flag; to be a man among these People, if he has the courage like many who would do the same along with him: the Flag of Cyprus. Isolated as he has been by those who treat it as a rag, to me it seems inevitable; he has been left with little choice by them. No doubt it would unleash a lot of sentiment. Indeed who would stand along with Mr. Akinci? "Greeks" or "Turks", no (they "being" one in the same against this notion); but Greeks and Turks would.

As a Cypriot with such support, who would doubt that a BBF is possible, or that sitting across from the table, Mr. Anastasiades would not be doing so with feelings of trust, and respect?

I regret to disagree with you Mr. Rolandis, because a moratorium will not help to solve the Problem which in scope has become something much bigger than the problems in Cyprus itself. I will add, from my point of view, that the East Med. Gas Forum is a great success, so too the formula of tripartite meetings which led to it, because it is Hopeful to all these neighbors, the region as a whole, (except for Turkey,) a bright spot in a set of relationships filled with acrimony and mistrust. And only such unity, if it is sincere, will demonstrate to Erdogan that there is more to gain by joining as an equal, (his chair is still waiting for him,) rather than the hostility. we must all be preparing for, now.

...but it starts here; to "be" Cypriot: a small change in intention by "us".

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/03/01/cypr ... hellenism/

[repulsewarrior]

One thought on “What Is Happening In Cyprus: Anti-Turkism Within Turkish Cypriots – OpEd”


…indeed only about half those Turkish in Cyprus are “Turkish”, after all these decades of having torn Cypriots apart. Then same is true with “Greeks” and Greeks.

When considering the Cyprus Problem let’s remember who was murdered and made to disappear for the most part. It was not “Greeks” and “Turks” busying themselves killing each other; those who were not “them” were their victims, for “being” Cypriot.

And let’s remember the coup that successfully removed Makarios from power, failed in less than three days. Without the support of Cypriots who were thought to be “Greeks”, but who instead remained shuttered in their homes. It was overwhelming as a fact, Greeks are not “Greeks” just because they are Greek.

It should be obvious by now that “Greeks” and “Turks” are no different, just as Greeks and Turks are no different.

And in affect the Problem is not one of Greeks vs Turks, or “Greeks” vs “Turks”, but “Greeks” and “Turks” vs Greeks and Turks.

…it is perhaps a hopeful sign that Mr. Akinci did not resign, and that he is running for re-election. I ask, does he have the courage to stand under his Flag, the one the “others” have contempt for, the Flag of Cyprus?

https://www.eurasiareview.com/05032020- ... ent-821930

[repulsewarrior]

Indeed, what is becoming apparent is that Cypriots, silenced for over fifty years, still have the same desire despite the efforts of "Greeks" and "Turks", holding the Agenda to define what a "Cypriot" will be, who deny that such an identity already exists.

...who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag, i ask?

And in affect it is those for "Greekness" or "Turkishness" who see their problem as being mutually exclusive. One in the same, no different, leaving those who see beyond the Person, as Individuals, ignored; Greek or Turkish.

...is this the Problem?

People, the People, may choose to act, unlike this political elite, for Cyprus. It would not be hard to demonstrate their solidarity, since Flags are so important to "them", in Cyprus. It would be very clear, unignorable, if "they" could not look out their windows, or while in their cars, without seeing the Flag of Cyprus in numbers.

If we, as Cypriots, want to encourage more people like Koray Basogrultmacı and Cinel Senem Husseyin, we must join them in solidarity; we must find each other, overcome our own fear, and support their simple act: Greek or Turkish, by flying our Flag highest, the Flag of Cyprus.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/03/08/the- ... -cypriots/

[repulsewarrior]

Friday, March 13, 2020
Cyprus, the Achilles heel of Hellenism

https://cyprus-mail.com/2020/03/01/cypr ... 4829295770



...indeed, such a disaster as the COVID virus, tears the Leadership apart in fear; witness the gates closing. It will also demonstrate our resolve as Cypriots: as "Greeks", as "Turks", as Turks, as Greeks, as any Person, as Individuals defending ourselves; together.

...the Flag, i repeat myself is a powerful tool; stop and think who dies, (and who lives,) under it.

...so it is with 'us', in the real world, so it is in Cyprus: what Flag are we are willing to stand under; who is against the idea that in the end we are Human beings?

...i ask. who treats the Flag of Cyprus as a rag, but those who must accept forgiveness as well?

Here is the Problem with "ourselves", the real enemy staring right at our faces.

[repulsewarrior]

Monday, October 23, 2006
the best solution is


So here we are again... the best solution is...

Gotta think of the settlers, ...sorry you can't just blow them away.

There are tens of thousands, if not a hundred thousand, (of us) who still have a desire to return, to care for, and be close to their land, even if it means displacement after having waited for fifty to some thirty years.

The right of return cannot be ignored either and for the same reasons.

Mankind all Mankind desire their individual freedom, holding this with the highest esteem: the freedom of movement, expression and association. The Modern World, consists of these elements and a rule of law which extends the responsibility of it defense to society, as a whole, through democratic choice. There is no difference on this island, because all people are equal in this assumption.

A Republic of Cyprus exists. It is maturing to be a country with a high level of socio-economic achievement, even in dysfunction. It is possible to reform its Constitution, and it is necessary, to be in conformity with its membership to the EU, and yet most importantly, to realise a State with its support from the citizenry as a whole.

I see the word enclave twisted on its head, in my Cyprus. In my mind there is a Turkish Cypriot enclave [call it Canton (among several in the south)] right next to Paphos. I see the village of Komi Kebir, an important crossroad for Greek Cypriots, as well. I see our cities, rich, with the meeting, the sights and the smells, of East and West, beyond the imagination of white men or brown men.

What is wrong with these jewels scattered over the island; does it not add to each culture's vitality? Does it not solve the settler's shame, with a home to call their own? Does it not allow for the right of return, as communities? Can it not be a basis to define the word bi-zonal? Fixing the proportions, without moving the border; two territories without splitting the island in two.

There should be a bicameral legislature for our Federal Government: a Lower House of representation by independents, one elected from each riding, ...and an Upper House where there are an equal number of seats, for Turkish Cypriots, as for Greek Cypriots. In this House, Parties campaign, to have elected their representatives, to win the house majority, and to lead. Citizens, each have to choose, one Greek Cypriot representative, and one Turkish Cypriot representative, from two slates. This is bi-communal. If the Lower House fills the seats in the Committees of the (Upper House) Government, then the citizen is assured complete transparency (in this work), Good Government, and a system of Government which can sustain itself.

Add to this mix, two governments: one Greek Cypriot, and one Turkish Cypriot, each with a territory for their jurisdiction, each with their duty to provide for their citizenry an infrastructure, for their daily lives, as communities, and as a people having distinctive qualities, each recognising the rights of their minorities, and each achieving self determination through representation.

And you have an island, to enjoy, and to prosper.

...an example for others torn apart, worth considering.

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Cyprus: three goverments, One capital and Free.

From the topic with the same name on Talk Cyprus

http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtop ... 1968#71968