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[Paphitis]

Therefore Paphitis… if Man’s Earthly little fighter jets need so much thought and design, imagine how much thought and design one would require in producing such a vast and complex COSMOS!

Good GOD… that’s an own goal if I ever did see one!

Indeed, and yet the Creator sent his only begotten Son who was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary and lived like a pauper.

Something doesn't add up here get real.

Even Tom Cruise thinks he is a God because The Church of Scientology say's he's one and he is deluded enough to accept it much like you.

[Get Real!]

Therefore Paphitis… if Man’s Earthly little fighter jets need so much thought and design, imagine how much thought and design one would require in producing such a vast and complex COSMOS!

Good GOD… that’s an own goal if I ever did see one!

Indeed, and yet the Creator sent his only begotten Son who was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary and lived like a pauper.

Something doesn't add up here get real.

Even Tom Cruise thinks he is a God because The Church of Scientology say's he's one and he is deluded enough to accept it much like you.

So can we then agree that the universe is the result of complex thought and design that could not have come about as a result of randomness?

If we can agree on that then we have a GOD!

And I wouldn’t spoil that with the introduction of bible stories...

[Paphitis]

Therefore Paphitis… if Man’s Earthly little fighter jets need so much thought and design, imagine how much thought and design one would require in producing such a vast and complex COSMOS!

Good GOD… that’s an own goal if I ever did see one!

Indeed, and yet the Creator sent his only begotten Son who was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and Mother Mary and lived like a pauper.

Something doesn't add up here get real.

Even Tom Cruise thinks he is a God because The Church of Scientology say's he's one and he is deluded enough to accept it much like you.

So can we then agree that the universe is the result of complex thought and design that could not have come about as a result of randomness?

If we can agree on that then we have a GOD!

And I wouldn’t spoil that with the introduction of bible stories...

No of course we can't agree to something so silly. You have a burden of proof and you haven't delivered anything other than "it must be true" "because the universe exists and it had to be designed" cough cough cough

But your thesis has so many holes

[Get Real!]

No of course we can't agree to something so silly. You have a burden of proof and you haven't delivered anything other than "it must be true" "because the universe exists and it had to be designed" cough cough cough

But your thesis has so many holes

So you admire the thought and design that has gone into Man’s little fighter jets but can’t reciprocate for the thought and design that has gone into the universe…

OK, I’m done with you then… next child please!

[Paphitis]

No of course we can't agree to something so silly. You have a burden of proof and you haven't delivered anything other than "it must be true" "because the universe exists and it had to be designed" cough cough cough

But your thesis has so many holes

So you admire the thought and design that has gone into Man’s little fighter jets but can’t reciprocate for the thought and design that has gone into the universe…

OK, I’m done with you then… next child please!

Of course I can't appreciate it because we have what is called The Bing Bang.

[Get Real!]

So a bang prevents you from appreciating the end result… is that because your eardrums are still hurting from it?

Honestly Paphitis… conversing with you is like trying to talk a toddler into eating his lunch at a kindergarten!

You really are pretty thick, you know that...

[Paphitis]

So a bang prevents you from appreciating the end result… is that because your eardrums are still hurting from it?

Honestly Paphitis… conversing with you is like trying to talk a toddler into eating his lunch at a kindergarten!

You really are pretty thick, you know that...

Oh I'm sorry...where did I give you the impression I actually care what you believe in or that I care to change your mind?

You say that but the only reason I am conversing with you is because I just can't believe anyone can have such a stupid argument as yours and try to pass it off as factual evidence for creationism. I am literally amused and well entertained with your buffoonery!

I got the Netflix on and the Get Real comedy to break things up,

[Sotos]

Why do you start a new thread when we were already talking about this in the other thread?

To recap :

The existence of some kind of God can not be proven, but can't be 100% disproved either.

The very existence of the universe in all its complexity and glory is more than enough evidence of a supernatural phenomenon at work.

To assume that such magnificent things just happen out of nothing and for no reason, is utter foolishness.

But if God made the universe then who made God? Wouldn't God be even more glorious than the universe? So if you believe that it is foolish to believe that the universe has always existed or came out of nothing because it is magnificent and glorious then using the same logic isn't it even more foolish to believe that there is a God that has always existed and came out of nothing when God should be even more magnificent and glorious than the universe? Clearly your logic fails. At some point you need to accept that something glorious and magnificent can exist without the need to be created. In which case why that something can't be the universe, which we do know for a fact that it exists, but instead something "supernatural" which we have no evidence whatsoever that it even exists? So if you want to call something "God" why not call the universe a God? Because the universe doesn't care about you, and you want a God that does?

To which your response can be boiled down to: "There is a God because my religion says so"

By the way, your "random" shapes don't seem random at all as there is a repeating pattern in them. Also, if you keep generating random shapes you will eventually get ones which would be "beautiful".

[miltiades]

Not content with ....creating one only Sun, one only moon the ....almighty in his wisdom created billions of stars, yes lets be generous lets give Adam and Eve 10, 000 TRILLION Ants !!!!
Maybe a few million or so insects, flies, mosquitoes, let there be also a few million cockroaches, let the bastards also contract
Some deadly incurable diseases such as cancer, that will teach them eating the forbitten fruit, now and again lets give them an earthquake or two, and if this is not enough I will throw in a few million poisonous snakes !!!
What a load of absolute rubbish !!!

[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm not sure for which grand idea you're trying to amass evidence, but there are no 'straight lines' in biology. Yes, there's some allusion to symmetry, but no 'perfection'. Life is a slowly evolving chaotic work in progress. There is no great designer doing things purely mathematically, in a binary way.

Possibly even crystals that grow through self-seeding lack that perfection you are seeking from abstract mathematics.