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[Get Real!]

It is to each their own but think more about it,

You denounce God and believe that if he was all mighty that he could in no way have created all this, this dog eat dog world, mass murder, disease and suffering.

Therefor they are man made or created by science.

And you choose to believe solely in that as opposed to God?

I haven't denounced God at all. I wouldn't do that.

I just don't believe in Intelligent Design or Creationism. To me, it was just a good read in Genesis which I truly enjoyed. But I also enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek too.

So you acknowledge an unintelligent God… wow… that’s a new groundbreaking theory!

[Paphitis]

It is to each their own but think more about it,

You denounce God and believe that if he was all mighty that he could in no way have created all this, this dog eat dog world, mass murder, disease and suffering.

Therefor they are man made or created by science.

And you choose to believe solely in that as opposed to God?

I haven't denounced God at all. I wouldn't do that.

I just don't believe in Intelligent Design or Creationism. To me, it was just a good read in Genesis which I truly enjoyed. But I also enjoy Star Wars and Star Trek too.

So you acknowledge an unintelligent God… wow… that’s a new groundbreaking theory!

Nope, I acknowledge that you're unintelligent!

[Get Real!]

We cannot escape this simple premise…

“GOD is whatever is responsible for the existence of the universe”

And we don’t need to be able to explain what this is to identify it!

It could be a gas, a liquid, some unknown material, a grain, a formula even… or all of the above!

Who knows… but what’s important is that we have a LABEL for it so that we may be able to make reference to it.

And for most people that label is “GOD” but feel free to use “XDJ4768-0475-12008” if it makes you more comfortable because you’re into “scientific” things!

[Paphitis]

You can't escape it because that is what your head-space has manufactured, hence it is your reality.

But it doesn't mean it is real, or that God exists. Humanity has always manufactured things like this.

[Get Real!]

You can't escape it because that is what your head-space has manufactured, hence it is your reality.

But it doesn't mean it is real, or that God exists. Humanity has always manufactured things like this.

Something caused the universe… what label do you want to give it?

[Sotos]

Wouldn't God be even more glorious than the universe?
It goes without saying that he must be and it would be interesting to see this entity with our own eyes but unfortunately we can’t.

So if you believe that it is foolish to believe that the universe has always existed or
I never said it always existed… I have no idea about the universe's age. Nobody can know that.

came out of nothing because it is magnificent and glorious then using the same logic isn't it even more foolish to believe that there is a God that has always existed and came out of nothing when God should be even more magnificent and glorious than the universe?
God is not a material object that would require a designer. Everyone seems to agree that God must be some kind of spirit-like phenomenon… a special superpower that we cannot comprehend.

Clearly your logic fails. At some point you need to accept that something glorious and magnificent can exist without the need to be created.
God is the only exception to the rule because he is… GOD! You just don’t get “GOD” do you?

In which case why that something can't be the universe, which we do know for a fact that it exists, but instead something "supernatural" which we have no evidence whatsoever that it even exists?
Because the universe is full of material things that have a life span (birth and death) and their composition is not terribly impressive. Something else must be their designer/maker.

So if you want to call something "God" why not call the universe a God? Because the universe doesn't care about you, and you want a God that does?
I for one have never believed in a personal God that listens to people’s prayers but I know countless others do.

To sum things up it’s pretty clear to me that the universe and all its content is the work of a designer and not some random chance happening.


NB: It's really hard replying to your BLOCKS of text Sotos.

So you make up a rule (everything needs a creator) and then you brake the rule you just made to fit in a God. By the way, matter does not die (the same matter just takes different forms). On the other hand immaterial entities don't even exist, let alone being born or die.

Basically you use a God to explain what you can't understand. If you don't understand how humans came to being, then you have humans created by a God (e.g. with an Adam and Eve story). If later you learn and understand evolution (and there are lots of people who still don't properly understand it) then you no longer need something supernatural to create humans, because you now understand how humans came to being in a natural way. Supernatural explanations were given for just about anything humans couldn't understand at any given point of history, and unfortunately today some people continue to give supernatural explanations to what they don't understand.

So what you don't understand is not something supernatural "that we cannot comprehend", it is just something natural "that we cannot comprehend". Just like all the other natural phenomena we couldn't understand in the past and wrongly assumed that the explanation must be supernatural.

[Sotos]

We cannot escape this simple premise…

“GOD is whatever is responsible for the existence of the universe”

And we don’t need to be able to explain what this is to identify it!

It could be a gas, a liquid, some unknown material, a grain, a formula even… or all of the above!

Who knows… but what’s important is that we have a LABEL for it so that we may be able to make reference to it.

And for most people that label is “GOD” but feel free to use “XDJ4768-0475-12008” if it makes you more comfortable because you’re into “scientific” things!

Yesterday you were giving a very different definition of what you believe a God to be: Omnipotent, Omnipresent etc, and possibly a lot more things as described in the bible. Now God can be just some material?

If we are going to debate about something then we have to first agree what that something is. It is very different to argue that there might have been some yet unknown material which was necessary at the initial stages of our universe, and quite another thing to argue that there is a God who designed everything and who is now looking at us, and cares about what we do.

[Lordo]

Therefore Paphitis… if Man’s Earthly little fighter jets need so much thought and design, imagine how much thought and design one would require in producing such a vast and complex COSMOS!

Good GOD… that’s an own goal if I ever did see one!

you is one stupid individual.

[Paphitis]

You can't escape it because that is what your head-space has manufactured, hence it is your reality.

But it doesn't mean it is real, or that God exists. Humanity has always manufactured things like this.

Something caused the universe… what label do you want to give it?

I don't know. It just wasn't God!

[Get Real!]

you is one stupid individual.

And why does it make any difference if a child dies of bone cancer or of a heart attack at age 99?

Explain it to me…