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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:41 pm

Kikapu wrote:But the Human mind has evolved in the form of "evolution of intelligence", no?

It appears that intelligence and consciousness are two distinct properties (that can of course benefit from each other) when we look at…

“Antisocial personality disorder is defined by a pervasive and persistent disregard for morals, social norms, and the rights and feelings of others.” Wiki

So you could say that those having APD have a far lower level of consciousness than those who don’t, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are less intelligent.

These issues are of course complex and could be debated till the cows come home; which is not my aim here, but I thought I’d highlight those having APD as a demonstration of a distinction between intelligence and consciousness.
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:45 pm

Sotos wrote:The theory of evolution is by now an undisputed fact. Disputing this in 2018 is the same as disputing the fact that the earth is merely a planet orbiting one out of a vast number of stars, and instead maintaining the religious belief that the earth is the center of the universe.

:lol: Only in the minds of fools.

Sotos wrote:The argument that animals have no conscience is also highly disputed to say the least. Humans are merely the most intelligent animals on this planet. And the difference between humans and some kinds of apes is not that huge actually. Just a defect in a few of our genes and a human can be born severely retarded, with less intelligence than say a Chimp.

Even more baloney... :lol:
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 02, 2018 8:49 pm

Sotos wrote:Not even prayer and "asking for guidance" is something universal among religions. But to answer a general question: Can lots of people be wrong? Of course they can. 2000 years ago nearly everybody believed that the sun and moon were orbiting the earth. The argument "most people believe X so X must be right", is simply not a good argument.

Every single isolated tribe discovered in Borneo, or the Amazon, or anywhere else... had some sort of God or deity that they feared and believed in.

Like I said… seeking God is built into Man naturally.
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Sotos » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:25 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:The theory of evolution is by now an undisputed fact. Disputing this in 2018 is the same as disputing the fact that the earth is merely a planet orbiting one out of a vast number of stars, and instead maintaining the religious belief that the earth is the center of the universe.

:lol: Only in the minds of fools.

Sotos wrote:The argument that animals have no conscience is also highly disputed to say the least. Humans are merely the most intelligent animals on this planet. And the difference between humans and some kinds of apes is not that huge actually. Just a defect in a few of our genes and a human can be born severely retarded, with less intelligence than say a Chimp.

Even more baloney... :lol:


:roll: I can assure you that the fools are those who do not accept evolution. Even theists who don't want to sound totally foolish accept it. But if you dispute evolution then tell me what do you believe instead? The Adam and Even story? :?
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:33 pm

Sotos wrote::roll: I can assure you that the fools are those who do not accept evolution. Even theists who don't want to sound totally foolish accept it. But if you dispute evolution then tell me what do you believe instead? The Adam and Even story? :?

Had species relied on evolution there’d be no life on Earth because nobody could afford to wait for a few billion years in order to adopt out of a dire situation!

ie: Let’s say you’re some kind of frog and the nearby lakes have all dried up which means you can’t lay eggs no more so your kind is in grave danger.

How long can the frog wait before evolution changes the frog's ways so that it lays underground instead so as to save it? Well the poor frogs only have between 1..5 years before they’re all gone but evolution needs at least a few million to change them! :lol:

Poor frogs they're gone... :cry:
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Sotos » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:Not even prayer and "asking for guidance" is something universal among religions. But to answer a general question: Can lots of people be wrong? Of course they can. 2000 years ago nearly everybody believed that the sun and moon were orbiting the earth. The argument "most people believe X so X must be right", is simply not a good argument.

Every single isolated tribe discovered in Borneo, or the Amazon, or anywhere else... had some sort of God or deity that they feared and believed in.

Like I said… seeking God is built into Man naturally.


Man is superstitious by nature... they would believe not just in Gods but in magic also. Christianity says that magic, astrology and all that is bogus (and we agree on that) but what makes people susceptible to those kind of nonsense is the exact same thing that makes them susceptible to the religious nonsense.
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Sotos » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:41 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote::roll: I can assure you that the fools are those who do not accept evolution. Even theists who don't want to sound totally foolish accept it. But if you dispute evolution then tell me what do you believe instead? The Adam and Even story? :?

Had species relied on evolution there’d be no life on Earth because nobody could afford to wait for a few billion years in order to adopt out of a dire situation!

ie: Let’s say you’re some kind of frog and the nearby lakes have all dried up which means you can’t lay eggs no more so your kind is in grave danger.

How long can the frog wait before evolution changes the frog's ways so that it lays underground instead so as to save it? Well the poor frogs only have between 1..5 years before they’re all gone but evolution needs at least a few million to change them! :lol:

Poor frogs they're gone... :cry:


What you say proves that you don't understand evolution. If you don't understand it because of lack of knowledge then I can try to explain it to you. If you read about it and tried to understand it and what you understood is what you wrote above, then unfortunately I can't help you :(
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Get Real! » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:44 pm

Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote::roll: I can assure you that the fools are those who do not accept evolution. Even theists who don't want to sound totally foolish accept it. But if you dispute evolution then tell me what do you believe instead? The Adam and Even story? :?

Had species relied on evolution there’d be no life on Earth because nobody could afford to wait for a few billion years in order to adopt out of a dire situation!

ie: Let’s say you’re some kind of frog and the nearby lakes have all dried up which means you can’t lay eggs no more so your kind is in grave danger.

How long can the frog wait before evolution changes the frog's ways so that it lays underground instead so as to save it? Well the poor frogs only have between 1..5 years before they’re all gone but evolution needs at least a few million to change them! :lol:

Poor frogs they're gone... :cry:


What you say proves that you don't understand evolution. If you don't understand it because of lack of knowledge then I can try to explain it to you. If you read about it and tried to understand it and what you understood is what you wrote above, then unfortunately I can't help you :(

Alternatively, I can always wait for evolution to make me more intelligent so that I may understand it... but I fear that won’t happen in my lifetime!

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Sotos » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:33 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Sotos wrote::roll: I can assure you that the fools are those who do not accept evolution. Even theists who don't want to sound totally foolish accept it. But if you dispute evolution then tell me what do you believe instead? The Adam and Even story? :?

Had species relied on evolution there’d be no life on Earth because nobody could afford to wait for a few billion years in order to adopt out of a dire situation!

ie: Let’s say you’re some kind of frog and the nearby lakes have all dried up which means you can’t lay eggs no more so your kind is in grave danger.

How long can the frog wait before evolution changes the frog's ways so that it lays underground instead so as to save it? Well the poor frogs only have between 1..5 years before they’re all gone but evolution needs at least a few million to change them! :lol:

Poor frogs they're gone... :cry:


What you say proves that you don't understand evolution. If you don't understand it because of lack of knowledge then I can try to explain it to you. If you read about it and tried to understand it and what you understood is what you wrote above, then unfortunately I can't help you :(

Alternatively, I can always wait for evolution to make me more intelligent so that I may understand it... but I fear that won’t happen in my lifetime!

:lol: :lol: :lol:


If it is an IQ issue and not a luck of knowledge issue then there is nothing you can do about it ;) But if it is a luck of knowledge issue, maybe you spend too much time studying fairy tales while you could have invested your time to study something more useful, e.g. biology ;)
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Re: Design vs Randomness

Postby Maximus » Tue Oct 02, 2018 10:39 pm

miltiades wrote:In your case, a degree in Scatology merely fills your head with a load of shit !!
Accountancy is a boring subject but at least it enhances one's logical thinking , it reinforces reality and does not accept falsified figures or , in your case, false creators. A balance sheet reflects the true facts about a company and does not include imaginary assets or fucking....miracles. Get it thick head ?


The difference between science and religion can be summarized as follows;

Science - I will believe it when I see it.

Religion - I will see it when I believe it.

They are complete opposites.

Hasn't there ever been a time in your life when you believed in something so much that it came in to being? This is what we can call a miracle.
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