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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:23 am

the issue is not that they may support the kerds in the north. there mere presence and autonomy is the threat the terggs fear most. they are not against the kerds being there, it is the ypg that they fear for what effect they will gave on the kerds. don't get me wrong. nothong can give me more pleasure that the kerds being united across the region from syria to iran inc terggy.

however the erdogan government and the iranians see them as a threat and so does assad. they will pretend to help but there is deep resentment bewteen assad and the kerds.
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Oceanside50 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:34 am

Over the years the Kurds have received over 5000 truck loads of American equipment, if the Americans do indeed leave, which I doubt, the Kurds will take care of turkey and whomever else wants to fight them.
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:30 am

Oceanside50 wrote:Over the years the Kurds have received over 5000 truck loads of American equipment, if the Americans do indeed leave, which I doubt, the Kurds will take care of turkey and whomever else wants to fight them.

Depends… without modern S2A (even short range) it’s very hard competing against fighter jets and attack choppers… I don’t really know what the Americans “left behind”.

To tackle Turkey you’ve got to be able to down their flying machines.

Now if Nicos was to send the YPG, 50-100 French Mistrals it would send the Turks packing!

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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Lordo » Sun Dec 30, 2018 2:57 pm

The teggs have
1056 aircraft
475 helicopters
2500 tanks.

what the hell are you people on about. the kerds havnot got a chance no matter who gives them what. the problem is you love to see somebody else fight your fight and log to see your enemy defeated by some other country so you can benefit. there is only one word for that and that is a korkak loupadji.
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:33 pm

Lordo wrote:The teggs have
1056 aircraft
475 helicopters
2500 tanks.

Perhaps, but I don't see those numbers crossing into the Syrian territory.

Btw, I have 6kg of flour, 10kg of sugar, and 5kg of meat in my storage… but it doesn’t mean I’m going to eat it all in one sitting! :lol:
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:40 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Oceanside50 wrote:Over the years the Kurds have received over 5000 truck loads of American equipment, if the Americans do indeed leave, which I doubt, the Kurds will take care of turkey and whomever else wants to fight them.

Depends… without modern S2A (even short range) it’s very hard competing against fighter jets and attack choppers… I don’t really know what the Americans “left behind”.

To tackle Turkey you’ve got to be able to down their flying machines.

Now if Nicos was to send the YPG, 50-100 French Mistrals it would send the Turks packing!

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The Kurds have been supplied with the latest American Stingers and Avenger SHORAD.

It’s good capability but the Americans will not provide any long range capability because of the possibility that the Kurds could shoot down commercial airliners like the Russian backed militias in Ukraine did with regard to the Malaysian Airlines B777 that they shot down. The Americans won’t play this type of poker.

Which says a lot about the Americans and their integrity.

Shooting down of commercial airliners with American Armaments is something the Americans do not want to face or be answerable to.
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:58 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Kurds have been supplied with the latest American Stingers and Avenger SHORAD.

We would need a credible link to verify that Paphitis, but even so I doubt the Stinger can shoot down fighter jets.

Paphitis wrote:It’s good capability but the Americans will not provide any long range capability because of the possibility that the Kurds could shoot down commercial airliners like the Russian backed militias in Ukraine did with regard to the Malaysian Airlines B777 that they shot down. The Americans won’t play this type of poker.

Which says a lot about the Americans and their integrity.

Shooting down of commercial airliners with American Armaments is something the Americans do not want to face or be answerable to.

Now you're talking BIG TIME shit because if your average commercial plane cruises between 20k-30k feet, then it would take VERY LONG RANGE S2A to down it. Meaning, very expensive, huge multi-vehicle installation with radar etc... so it's nothing to do with "American integrity"! :lol:
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:04 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:The Kurds have been supplied with the latest American Stingers and Avenger SHORAD.

We would need a credible link to verify that Paphitis, but even so I doubt the Stinger can shoot down fighter jets.

Paphitis wrote:It’s good capability but the Americans will not provide any long range capability because of the possibility that the Kurds could shoot down commercial airliners like the Russian backed militias in Ukraine did with regard to the Malaysian Airlines B777 that they shot down. The Americans won’t play this type of poker.

Which says a lot about the Americans and their integrity.

Shooting down of commercial airliners with American Armaments is something the Americans do not want to face or be answerable to.

Now you're talking BIG TIME shit because if your average commercial plane cruises between 20k-30k feet, then it would take VERY LONG RANGE S2A to down it. Meaning, very expensive, huge multi-vehicle installation with radar etc... so it's nothing to do with "American integrity"! :lol:


No of course the Stinger or Avenger will be able to shoot down many Turkish F-16s flying at 50,000FT.

If they were below 20000 FT, then maybe, but the Turks are not stupid enough to fly within range of these weapons. They don’t need to, and they won’t risk their aircraft, even with their countermeasures.

A Mistral wouldn’t be able to shoot down a Turkish F-16 either unless they were within range. Not even your BUKs or S300 will have a high success rate either. Neither is it a one way street because the F-16s will take out their radar within minutes.

And no American POTUS will risk the prospect of a B777 being shot down because they supplied Medium Range missiles to rebel groups. The POTUS is not above the law.

And no, the average commercial airliner is at 35000FT and above. It depends on the weight. The higher the better because of better engine efficiency and fuel economy. But the Americans make a point of not supplying weapons that can reach these altitudes. If Trump did that, and a BA B777 went down, then its bye byte to Trump.
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:09 pm

I’m done with you man… it’s like talking with an 8 year old posting non-stop vomit! :? :lol:
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Re: now what for the kerds

Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:12 pm

Get Real! wrote:I’m done with you man… it’s like talking with an 8 year old posting non-stop vomit! :? :lol:


The Americans are not like the Russians. First of all, if a commercial airliner was shot down by an American manufactured weapon in the hands of American backed rebel groups, then questions will be asked.

And the Americans are less likely to duck and weave over it too. They are more likely to accept responsibility. It would of course be curtains for the POTUS.

You are being immature.
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