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Re: Political equality

Postby Lordo » Tue Feb 19, 2019 6:59 pm

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Lordo wrote:1. the end of uncertainty is sufficient enough.
2. not to mention the savings in not buying arms.
3. return of marash and guzelyurt as well as some villages along the border to the control of the gcs adn to the original owners who ever they may be
4. retrun of people to their original properties as invisaged in the 2004 plan.


1. The uncertainty will be much greater when every decision in the country will depend on the whims of your minority.
2. No thanks. We need arms for our defense.
3 / 4. That is a benefit only to a minority of GCs. I don't have any property in the north. You refuse to return any significant amount of territory, and for the remaining territory you want to give priority to the illegal occupiers of the properties. So congratulations, you succeeded to minimize the number of GCs that have to gain from such arrangement. They might as well go to your "Property Commission" and then to the ECHR for compensations, so that their compensations will come out of your and Turkey's pockets, and not from our pockets like it will be the case with a BBF solution.

so you think that the current arms you have will defend you against who exactly? against terggy?

that is the real issue with your avergae gc they believe al the crap their politicians tell them in the meantime they are lining their own pockets with backhanders. are you really that simple. it must be mixing with the russians that done it. simples innit.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Oceanside50 » Tue Feb 19, 2019 7:31 pm

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Oceanside50 wrote:KoLordo what are your arguments for political equality and veto in the central government?


here it is

ame mavroshilloyirevge
gatse dje mayirevge
goutcha de gologouthga
nafan da gobellouthga


You have none other then gabble above
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Re: Political equality

Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:35 am

There can be huge benefits with a solution.
The only possibility to have no benefits is to get under the control of Turkey via guarantees.
Even if the Central state gets stuck on certain decisions the benefits will still be there, as we will continue functioning with the original law, plus the new EU directives.

It's not only what the GCs and TCs will get on day 1. It's what we will get in the long run.
Problem is most people think only of day one, and rightfully link it to the future benefits as well.
Unfortunately what the Gcs will be getting on day 1 is getting less and less (maybe it's zero already?) and that's the fault of the TCs exclusively.

I think we are already at the point that most GCs think it doesn't worth it any more.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:06 am

Lordo wrote:
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Lordo wrote:1. the end of uncertainty is sufficient enough.
2. not to mention the savings in not buying arms.
3. return of marash and guzelyurt as well as some villages along the border to the control of the gcs adn to the original owners who ever they may be
4. retrun of people to their original properties as invisaged in the 2004 plan.


1. The uncertainty will be much greater when every decision in the country will depend on the whims of your minority.
2. No thanks. We need arms for our defense.
3 / 4. That is a benefit only to a minority of GCs. I don't have any property in the north. You refuse to return any significant amount of territory, and for the remaining territory you want to give priority to the illegal occupiers of the properties. So congratulations, you succeeded to minimize the number of GCs that have to gain from such arrangement. They might as well go to your "Property Commission" and then to the ECHR for compensations, so that their compensations will come out of your and Turkey's pockets, and not from our pockets like it will be the case with a BBF solution.

so you think that the current arms you have will defend you against who exactly? against terggy?

that is the real issue with your avergae gc they believe al the crap their politicians tell them in the meantime they are lining their own pockets with backhanders. are you really that simple. it must be mixing with the russians that done it. simples innit.


Our arms will create to Turkey a heavy cost if it invades. Even in 1974, when GCs were fighting each other and there was chaos due to the coup, Turkish army still had over 2000 casualties. Today the cost to Turkey will be much greater. With a BBF we will be completely undefended and Turkey can just take the whole of Cyprus without any kind of resistance.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:11 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:There can be huge benefits with a solution.
The only possibility to have no benefits is to get under the control of Turkey via guarantees.
Even if the Central state gets stuck on certain decisions the benefits will still be there, as we will continue functioning with the original law, plus the new EU directives.

It's not only what the GCs and TCs will get on day 1. It's what we will get in the long run.
Problem is most people think only of day one, and rightfully link it to the future benefits as well.
Unfortunately what the Gcs will be getting on day 1 is getting less and less (maybe it's zero already?) and that's the fault of the TCs exclusively.

I think we are already at the point that most GCs think it doesn't worth it any more.


Be specific about what we will get in the long run. The negatives are now so many that far outweigh the positives, in both the short term and the long term. The only way that the benefits can outweigh the negatives is if we get more in terms of land and properties, and give up less in terms of power sharing. Otherwise it is just another Annan plan, which was overwhelmingly rejected.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:59 am

Sotos wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:There can be huge benefits with a solution.
The only possibility to have no benefits is to get under the control of Turkey via guarantees.
Even if the Central state gets stuck on certain decisions the benefits will still be there, as we will continue functioning with the original law, plus the new EU directives.

It's not only what the GCs and TCs will get on day 1. It's what we will get in the long run.
Problem is most people think only of day one, and rightfully link it to the future benefits as well.
Unfortunately what the Gcs will be getting on day 1 is getting less and less (maybe it's zero already?) and that's the fault of the TCs exclusively.

I think we are already at the point that most GCs think it doesn't worth it any more.


Be specific about what we will get in the long run. The negatives are now so many that far outweigh the positives, in both the short term and the long term. The only way that the benefits can outweigh the negatives is if we get more in terms of land and properties, and give up less in terms of power sharing. Otherwise it is just another Annan plan, which was overwhelmingly rejected.

very interesting that you think the only way you will accept a deal is if you get more from the tcs than you give. and lets face the state was stolen from us so you are not really giving us anything to start with. with mentality like that you can shove your thinking and your peace deal where the sun does not shine boy. now run along your sheep are in the adjoining field and the farmer will begin to shoot them.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 20, 2019 11:24 am

Nothing was stolen from you. We are the native people of this island and you are the ones who have invaded us. What your minority deserves is minority rights, and we never denied you those. Anything beyond that you took it by force by collaborating with foreign occupiers of Cyprus (British and Turks). Now fuck off to the pseudo state. The time you have access to free Cyprus and EU is running out. You have made your choice to be subjects of an Islamic State instead of the civilized world. You only have yourselves and your greed to blame for what awaits you in the future.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:35 pm

Sotos wrote:Nothing was stolen from you. We are the native people of this island and you are the ones who have invaded us. What your minority deserves is minority rights, and we never denied you those. Anything beyond that you took it by force by collaborating with foreign occupiers of Cyprus (British and Turks). Now fuck off to the pseudo state. The time you have access to free Cyprus and EU is running out. You have made your choice to be subjects of an Islamic State instead of the civilized world. You only have yourselves and your greed to blame for what awaits you in the future.

who has let the blooming smurf out of its cage again.

so clearly you have no respect for any international agreements you sign. i can understand that with makariodada in 1960 after all you had never had a state before but in the eu in 2019 and you still do not respect international laws that you signed. now bugger off back to your cage boy.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Sotos » Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

You talk about international law? You are violating every international law and every agreement ever made you stupid fuck. If you want international law and what was signed then it is a unitary state, not a federation. If you want to change what was signed and make a new agreement then we can also ask whatever we want for this new agreement, otherwise we will not agree to it.
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Re: Political equality

Postby Lordo » Wed Feb 20, 2019 2:52 pm

Sotos wrote:You talk about international law? You are violating every international law and every agreement ever made you stupid fuck. If you want international law and what was signed then it is a unitary state, not a federation. If you want to change what was signed and make a new agreement then we can also ask whatever we want for this new agreement, otherwise we will not agree to it.

i can only hope that not all gcs are as stupid as you

in 1972 dengtash and clerides agreed to go back to 1960 agreement witt all the 13 ammendments with everybody back to their homes.
and guess what ypur glorfied lider magariodada vetoed it. if it is 1960 agreement you crave for just get anastasiades to ask akinci and see if he will accept it, you stupid boy. you talk about violating international law, so when did roc actually implement the 1960 agreement exactly? we are now in 2019, thats 59 years just in case you cannot work it out, has it been implemented yet?

ironically of course after magarios was otherthrown and the terggs landed in cyprus, as soon as sampson resigned, magarios called clerides and instructed him to call dentash and tell he that he accepts the 1972 agreement. like hell he does.

i guess you are the product of such stupid people so no surprise you think like you do. now back to your cage and the keeper will be along in a moment to throw you the banana you hear.
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