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[Paphitis]

International Airline Group (holding company for British Airways and Iberia) and Air Canada have just placed an order for 200 plus B737 MAXI aircraft.

There is also an impending QANTAS order as QANTAS has a choice between the A321 neo or B737 MAXI. Because QANTAS already operates more than 80 B737 aircraft, it is likely the MAXI will win that order too. It is unlikely QANTAS will go Airbus because they are already set up with Boeing and it just costs too much to go Airbus.

I guess that is your answer.

My personal opinion on the IAG's so called 200 orders for the MAX was to give Boeing a boost of confidence that it needed at the Paris Air Show in the midst of many negatives, so I believe it was a coordinated attempt by Boeing and IAG to try and stop the drain on MAX's reputation of being a safe plane or not. The fact that no other orders came in for the MAX, only goes to highlight my suspicions. Of course, placing a large order of planes with a hand shake and without a commitment and actually buying those planes is two different things.

Early this year I flew few times in and out of Singapore to nearby destinations on JETSTAR using Airbus 320's, which provided on-time services. I believe JetStar is operated by Qantas. Is this correct, Paphitis? Also, what do you think of JetStar. I was skeptical at first with this airline, but I have grown to like it.

This is serious business here Kikapu. They don’t do things like this to boost confidence. As if Boeing needs confidence with all the other stuff they are doing anyway.

Also got it on good authority that QANTAS is going to sign a firm order. Reason is they are already set up for it with regards to engineering, tooling, pilots and training. This is always going to take precedence because to change to Airbus costs big dollars. British Airways and Iberia and others are in the same boat.

Smart operators consolidate their fleet. You would be amazed at the cost savings.

The Birgin Australia order for 50 Max is also proceeding.

[Paphitis]

...indeed, it will be hard to sell Boeing products to Canadians, given that the forced sale of Bombardier's C series business to Airbus, is hard to forget, and is directly related to their hostility as player, in a market they are only preparing to go into.

Air Canada is another airline about to place another very large order for B737 Max.

Reason is the same as for BA, QANTAS, Iberia, Virgin, AA and other mainline Boeing operators.

In other words, they are backing Boeing big time.

Not only that but they are the launch customer for the B737 Max 9 which is the next gen Max. They have 26 orders for the Max 8 and 16 pending orders for the MAX 9. And options for another 40 about to be called.

Their Airbus Fleet is ageing and they appear to be going all Boeing with B767, B777 and B787.

Once an airline makes a strategic decision like that then there is not much that can be done. It’s not like buying a fleet of cars.

[Robin Hood]

I wish I had your confidence because I think the so called intention to buy Boeing 737 Max is just to stop the commercial part of the company from collapsing completely!

You may not place much faith in MoA but he has been consistently accurate since all his started .......... and I think he will prove to be correct again:

Boeing's Software Fix For The 737 MAX Problem Overwhelms The Plane's Computer

The Boeing 737 MAX continues to be a troublesome airplane.

Two crashes of the plane type, which cost the lives of 346 people, revealed a significant problem not only with the messed up Manoeuvring Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS).

It then turned out that the manual trim wheels which Boeing advised to use to counter MCAS are impossible to move when needed. Moon of Alabama detailed the problem back in May and last week the Wall Street Journal confirmed the issue. This also affects the older Boeing 737 NG.

While that problem has still not been solved a new one came up.

Boeing promised to release a software fix for the MCAS by April 2019. But that turned out to be more difficult than thought. Three month later there is still no final fix available. Meanwhile a new problem that will cause further delays was revealed only yesterday:

It seems that the additional signal processing and calculations needed for the MCAS fix overload the Flight Control Computer's (FCC) processor and delay its reaction.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/06/b ... puter.html

[Paphitis]

Boeing collapse?

Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

I'm thinking of buying into this megalith with my Super fund. This is one horse I am backing big time. Best time to buy in to this megalith.

They got the MAX 9 coming out and the 10 series.

Boeing customers are still putting in orders for the Max 8 or changing the composition. Boeing still gets to sell their air-frames. A Boeing flight isn't going to cross contaminate with Airbus because that costs Billions to do.

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... order-book

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... order-book

Air Canada and Virgin Australia have already stated their intentions. So has the IAG on behalf of BA and Iberia.

QANTAS announcement regarding either the B737 Max 8 or Max9 or Series 10 imminent.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Boeing collapse? Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

Do you ever actually read anything before you comment ...... read what I said!

Nobody thought PAA or TWA would collapse as a brand ..... but they did! Boeing is going the same way! Keep giving the 737 an upgrade will not ensure its future. It is an old design and no amount of Botox or uplifts is going to save it. Merely my opinion of course!

[Londonrake]

Paphitis:

Boeing collapse? Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

Do you ever actually read anything before you comment ...... read what I said!

Nobody thought PAA or TWA would collapse as a brand ..... but they did! Boeing is going the same way! Keep giving the 737 an upgrade will not ensure its future. It is an old design and no amount of Botox or uplifts is going to save it. Merely my opinion of course!

Mmm. I'm not disagreeing with you (Heaven forbid! ) and this is not really my forte but the last time I looked, Pan Am and TWA were airlines. Boeing is an aircraft manufacturing company? AFAIUI they have about 10,000 aircraft currently in world airline use. Not really the same thing- ehh? Sorta apples and pears?

I'm sure you would love Boeing to implode. Not for any obsessive political reasons though of course.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Boeing collapse? Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

Do you ever actually read anything before you comment ...... read what I said!

Nobody thought PAA or TWA would collapse as a brand ..... but they did! Boeing is going the same way! Keep giving the 737 an upgrade will not ensure its future. It is an old design and no amount of Botox or uplifts is going to save it. Merely my opinion of course!

Mmm. I'm not disagreeing with you (Heaven forbid! ) and this is not really my forte but the last time I looked Pan Am and TWA were airlines. Boeing is an aircraft manufacturing company? AFAIUI they have about 10,000 aircraft currently in world airline use. Not really the same thing- ehh? Sorta apples and pears?

I'm sure you would love Boeing to implode. Not for any obsessive political reasons though of course.

I said BRAND NAME! You may have a good product but if your brand name is associated with a bad image ...... you keep the product and dump the brand name! The problem with Boeing is that it is the perceived bad product that will bring down the brand. An airliner will take a bit more than a coat of paint to change its appearance so they cant just re-launch the same product by giving it a new brand name.

Just saying!

[Londonrake]

Mmmm.

TWA folded because of unsustainable debt. Pan Am went down due to terrorist events and getting caught up in huge fuel price increases (again, basically financially related). So, no, sorry your "Brand" comparison really has sod all to do with it and is a non sequitur. If you've got 10,000 aircraft flying out there, with all that implies, you're not really likely to "collapse".

Wishful thinking?

Nice to see you are still a fan of my other posts.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis:

Boeing collapse? Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

Do you ever actually read anything before you comment ...... read what I said!

Nobody thought PAA or TWA would collapse as a brand ..... but they did! Boeing is going the same way! Keep giving the 737 an upgrade will not ensure its future. It is an old design and no amount of Botox or uplifts is going to save it. Merely my opinion of course!

Pan Am and TWA are airlines. Completely different.

Boeing build the vast bulk of heavy transport aircraft to supply the airlines with their fleet. They are not going down.

Secondly, let's say for argument say it is true (it isn't(, then it would be a very sad day for aviation as a whole. Boeing is at the leading edge of aviation and if they go down, we all lose big time.

But in any case, dream on. I actually think their share price is artificially very low now because of the crisis which will be overcome in time.

[Robin Hood]

Paphitis:

Boeing collapse? Really? You think Boeing is going to collapse?

Do you ever actually read anything before you comment ...... read what I said!

Nobody thought PAA or TWA would collapse as a brand ..... but they did! Boeing is going the same way! Keep giving the 737 an upgrade will not ensure its future. It is an old design and no amount of Botox or uplifts is going to save it. Merely my opinion of course!

Pan Am and TWA are airlines. Completely different.

Boeing build the vast bulk of heavy transport aircraft to supply the airlines with their fleet. They are not going down.

Secondly, let's say for argument say it is true (it isn't(, then it would be a very sad day for aviation as a whole. Boeing is at the leading edge of aviation and if they go down, we all lose big time.

But in any case, dream on. I actually think their share price is artificially very low now because of the crisis which will be overcome in time.

It matters not how big you are as a company, whether you are an airline, manufacturer or a commercial manufacturer of goods...... a bad product or incidents that damages the image and thus the brand name, are simply commercial inevitabilities in the circumstances!

I will give you another example MONSANTO ! One of THE major chemical companies. Their product ROUNDUP has raised dozens of civil legal actions and they have paid out billions in out-of-court settlements. Share prices dropped ..... and BAYER moved in and absorbed them into their brand name. The Monsanto brand is now history!

Stop just assuming that the US and US companies are invincible, can do no wrong and will always survive no matter the odd's just because they are American. Consider their problems simply in the commercial context ...... or are you suggesting they don't have any problems?